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josephus · Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 13

Hello

i am a keen watcher of US politics and am particularly interested in your ongoing war on terror.

i wanted to give you a perspective because of comments i heard in my and your media, namely that you cant negotiate with terrorists.

of course this is because of the evil kidanappings in iraq.

i wanted to suggest to you that your countrys reaction to attacks on itsself im my country, Northern Ireland we were forced to talk to and make deals with murderers.

Those same guys killed thousands of people, stole millions from innocent peoples pockets, raped women who got in their way and murdered mothers and buried their bodies in unmarked graves, after cutting off ringfingers.

Now lets think who helps pay for these "freedom fighters" who are still dealing drugs on our streets, and killing people ?

YOU ARE. The american people. You bought nearly all the guns and bombs through NorAid fundraising. oh and and you never give back the terrorists who escape to your country, because they are "political crimes"

Now i see the democrats stalking the Irish vote saying "Those prodestants are all to blame for the problems" I accept we are no angels, but why do you guys seem so twofaced when someone else is getting bombed by terrorists ?

josephus

Fist in the air · Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 2:15 am Post subject:

Its not terrorism when you are fighting for a legitement cause of national soverigty against an occupying power and those who support that power in your own nation.

And the US should negotiate to save lives, it shouldnt even be causing the events that cause terrorists to take hostages in the first place?

thundertaker · Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 3:01 am Post subject:

Fist in the air wrote: Its not terrorism when you are fighting for a legitement cause of national soverigty against an occupying power and those who support that power in your own nation.

And the US should negotiate to save lives, it shouldnt even be causing the events that cause terrorists to take hostages in the first place?

Jesus wept, I'm sick of having to point this out to all the ignoramouses on here who seem to think the IRA are freedom fighters battling against british opressors who are determined to keep the Northern Irish under the imperial boot.
THE MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS IN NORTHERN IRELAND WISH TO REMAIN BRITISH, AND THE IRA WISHES TO SUBVERT THE DEMOCRATIC WILL OF THE MAJORITY THROUGH VIOLENCE AND MURDER, INCLUDING THOSE OF CIVILIANS ON THE MAINLAND UK (England mostly).
Please don't make me say this again.....

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

josephus wrote: Hello

i am a keen watcher of US politics and am particularly interested in your ongoing war on terror.

i wanted to give you a perspective because of comments i heard in my and your media, namely that you cant negotiate with terrorists.

of course this is because of the evil kidanappings in iraq.

i wanted to suggest to you that your countrys reaction to attacks on itsself im my country, Northern Ireland we were forced to talk to and make deals with murderers.

Those same guys killed thousands of people, stole millions from innocent peoples pockets, raped women who got in their way and murdered mothers and buried their bodies in unmarked graves, after cutting off ringfingers.

Now lets think who helps pay for these "freedom fighters" who are still dealing drugs on our streets, and killing people ?

YOU ARE. The american people. You bought nearly all the guns and bombs through NorAid fundraising. oh and and you never give back the terrorists who escape to your country, because they are "political crimes"

Now i see the democrats stalking the Irish vote saying "Those prodestants are all to blame for the problems" I accept we are no angels, but why do you guys seem so twofaced when someone else is getting bombed by terrorists ?

josephus

Good point.

thundertaker · Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2004 5:06 am Post subject:

It's no way to treat what is supposedly your biggest ally in the war on terror is it?

Duchifas · Joined: 22 Jun 2004 Posts: 9950

Fist in the air wrote: Its not terrorism when you are fighting for a legitement cause of national soverigty against an occupying power and those who support that power in your own nation.

It doesn't matter how legitimate the cause may be. The means are not legitimiate. No legitimate cause justifies intentionally blowing up civilians.

Fist in the air · Posted: Wed Sep 29, 2004 12:07 am Post subject:

Blowing up military targets/personel is not terrorism. I'm not saying this is only what the IRA n Iraqi resitance do, but im saying that it is what that some do and are still labelled as terrorists.

IT may not be legetimate but it is understandable when their is little other means of fighting back. I dont support such actions but i can understand them. If you have seen the DEvils own think of Brad Pit 'what ifs its your father who you had to bury, what would you do' speech to Harrison Ford. Their is no other option.

A slight majority of people in Northern Ireland may support union, but this does not make it just. why should one group in a nation be able to call on an outside and alien power to prop it up while opressing another sector.

Ireland has a national identity, the majority of Irish people want a single united nation. A few Proddies in the North should not cause a nation divided and a people oppressed.

josephus · Joined: 23 Sep 2004 Posts: 13

interesting point.

"I watched a movie once and now understand the motivations of killers"

the ira kill women and children they murdered a women who comforted a dying soldier then cut of her wedding ring finger. leaving about 10 kids with no parents, their dad having died years before.

the inla have used rape as a weapon on dissenters.

ALL terrorists in Nothern Ireland deal drugs and beat and murder people who complain.

WHOS OPPRESSED ? you know how many non catholics in the irish police force ?

14 out of thousands. yep we really are holding down those papists!!

but why bother explaining ? you probably beleive US political adverts are fair. or Bill Oreilly is balenced.

josephus

eynon · Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 5:49 am Post subject:

well you called us on this....course if it makes you feel better I kicked some Irish-American guys ass at a party for dissing the Brits :-D with a last name like Severn how could I not.

That aside..should we negotiated with Islamic Terrorists.....no, we should kill them. Now I'm kinda a weird inbetween guy cause I think we should NOT have invaded Iraq, and that we should have lifted the imbargo after 9-11....(big carrot), BUT...I think that the US goverment should have the same policy towards international Islamic terrorists that we had towards the Japanese military during the second world war. Namely no prisoners...or to keep prisoners as long as the CIA and Military intel need them alive(big stick). Really funny thing is that I only came to this conclusion after first reading the book Taliban by Ahmad Rasheed and then meeting and talking to the man himself. what a guy...read his book...anyway I could go on as to why I beleive this if you wish to discuss it further....

thundertaker · Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 8:27 am Post subject:

Al'Quada are a whole different ball-game anyway. They are ruthless terrorists who seek nothing less than the death or enslavement of any and all non-muslims on the planet. They will not achieve their goals obviously, but they will kill as many people as they can in furtherance of this goal......

I suppose the IRA have at least some semblance of reason compared to them.....

Diogenes · Joined: 18 Jan 2004 Posts: 607 Location: USA

Quote: Duchifas wrote:
It doesn't matter how legitimate the cause may be. The means are not legitimiate. No legitimate cause justifies intentionally blowing up civilians.
I would go further, and say that terrorism - the deliberate targeting of the innocent - de-legitimizes the cause.