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[Canada_Rocks]

quit deflecting my questions and asking new ones..

I expect answers next post, otherwise thi 'debate" cannot continue.

[timmtc]

He seems to be stuck in the 19th century, an era I could care less about.

Move out of the past and deal with the issues in present day you fool.

[Canada_Rocks]

MAybe he is stuck in the past, maybe this is one of those 'temporal rifts' Star Trek has warned us about.

[_747]

What is wrong with history?? It is said those who fail to observe history, are doomed to repeat it.

In case you haven't noticed Quebec is under Attack. I am the defense mechanism.

It my policy to move into any Quebec thread started by an uninformed pretentious Canadian.

[Canada_Rocks]

but you fail to tackle modern issues such as the ones I lay out for you....

The present is much more important.

[_747]

This is a politics thread, not an economics thread. As you want to discuss economics I suggest you find another thread. We are still waiting for you to enlighten this forum to the english accomplishments over last 25O years. You boast about them, so provide them!!!

[Canada_Rocks]

economics is political and quite trying to dodge the questions..if qubec is to be indepedant we must formulated a plan....and the economy is justifiable.

If you just plain dont know I will accept it...

but then I will have to question you trust in this plan if you cant explain all aspects of it.

[_747]

When Quebec gets a positive referendum then a plan could be discussed. Until that point, what is the point.

The world is on two diverging paths. The United States appears to be on a free trade and debt accumulation expansion (make sense??). The European Union is on a continuous expansion of acceding Countries to the Union. By the looks of things the EU's GDP has overtaken the US's GDP and they also have a condition of EU membership of running balanced budgets.

Just so we are clear!!!

The world is moving towards Unity of One Law, One Economic Block. The EU leaves the control of Culture in the hands of the member. That is Quebec's pursuit, to manage and preserve their culture. Canada has a history of not respecting Quebec's culture, so separation is a rightful and legitimate pursuit. If economically it requires seeking admittance into the European Union, so be it.

Interesting fact about the United States, is that 95% of the people live on 5% of the land. Do they require more land?? No!! Do they need strategic relationships, yes!!

That said, Quebec is headed for another referendum in 2009. Ideally, Quebec would gain a Distinct Society, Sovereignty By Association agreement with Canada. By an uncanadian act, the canadian people refuse this pursuit. That said, Quebec will eventually separate. To facilitate separation all the ducks will need to be lined up. A Trade Relationship will need to be maintained with the United States and an economic relationship with Europe built upon.

Based on the Quebecois's history with the United States. The fact the United States is based on a democracy of the people (which Canada is not) Canada is really a container of American colonial dissidents (ontario) and British subjects. Like an abusive relationship, they United States was fortunate to get away, Quebec, not so lucky. For the sake of Stategic relations with the world, it is more in the United States Interest to support Quebec when the time comes.

We are marching towards another referendum in 2009. It's time the United States takes a step towards establishing an overt foreign policy of recognizing Quebec should Quebec achieve a favourable referendum.

Ideally, Quebec would leave with Ontario as well. Should the United States reward traitors to the American Revolution with Ontario?? Think about that!! The fact is, Quebec will be content on leaving with what it has. Canada should be content with Ontario and Labrador.

For me to discuss affairs concerning Quebec governance (yawn). I am on a political forum. My politics is to garner American Support for a successful Quebec Separation. I believe I have built the case :wink: If anyone knows the mechanism or process of how the United States goes about establishing foreign policy, please outline.

:-D :-D

[Canada_Rocks]

lol, All you did is provide political propaganda which is all mumbojumbo.

"When Quebec seperates, then we will discuss how we will survive"

How old are you?

You still need hard CASH or hard GOODs to trade with, to feed yourselves.

This is ridiculous.

[_747]

We went over this. Quebec's trade is mostly with the United States. As long as that relationship is maintained, Quebec will be fine. What's more to discuss.

It is obivious the United States is taking over Canada hawaiin style

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/gp/17661.htm

That approach is way to long and painful. The Quebecois (The real Canada) has endured long enough. Why doesn't the United States take the Referendum Results of 1995, run it pass your Judiciary to get a feel if the results are acceptable. (They definately are!!) If so, float some legislation through the Congress that you, the United States recognizes those results and declares the sovereignty of Quebec :wink: Also Affix to this legislation you will maintain all trade relationships with Quebec and if the Pretend Canada should get in the way of those relations there will be economic sanctions placed against Canada. :) Get that legislation before President Bush's desk ASAP for approval :!: Once the legislation is proclaimed in Force, we know the President has unilateral power to declare war. If Canada should stand in the way of Quebec's sovereignty, Bush will be able to send in the military to extract Quebec. Of Course at this point the Canadian Army would be running for their mammas. But at the end of the day, Quebec will be happy, France will be happy, and Europe will be happy.

For the sake of happiness, get that legislation through Congress. Do it now, Pronto!!!

:-D

[timmtc]

Quote: We went over this. Quebec's trade is mostly with the United States. As long as that relationship is maintained, Quebec will be fine. What's more to discuss.

Canada would drive Quebec to the ground so quickly. There is no way, Quebec could compete with the Canadian economy, all the Canadian companies would do is lower their prices for a year or two, forcing the small Quebec companies out of business. Remember, Free trade is not small business friendly.

[_747]

That's why I stated as a part of the legislation to go through congress it contain some form of economic sanctions that could be levied against Canada should Canada infringe upon the Sovereignty of Quebec in any way. Quebec mostly trades with the United States. Canada is not that big of a deal to Quebec's economy. If anything the Americans should rethink whether they want to continue supporting ontario - the disserters and traitors to the American Revolution, the braggards of burning down the Whitehouse. An Act of treason by those former American Colonialists. Like the Al-Queda the descendents need to be rounded up and sent to guantanimo for probing. I hear the Anglais are into that, particularely Toronto.

Stop looking for ways to be malicious towards Quebec. :!:

[Canada_Rocks]

Quote: We went over this. Quebec's trade is mostly with the United States. As long as that relationship is maintained, Quebec will be fine. What's more to discuss.

TRADE WHAT.
Seriously, either read our questions and answer them forth right or dont respond. You gave given us the same response about 20 times and we are still waiting for a formulated plan that you can provide us to make us stop laughing.

Thank you

[_747]

We are still waiting for you to give us the English Accomplishments over the last 250 years.

The plan is to gain a majority in a referendum or have the results of the last Referendum reviewed by the United States Judiciary/Europe's Judiciary or even the ICC. After reviewing Canada's Democratic Framework, Legal Framework, and considering other factors around the referendum they may consider those results valid and establish Quebec Sovereignty.

[Canada_Rocks]

Quote: We are still waiting for you to give us the English Accomplishments over the last 250 years. ...colonizing north America?

No please stop dodging the issure
you have a few choices here:

1) Answer My >>>>>PRESENT-DAY<<<<<< and LEGITIMATE questions.
2)Dont respond
3)Grow up

Thank You

[Canada_Rocks]

Oh yeah, Britain also helped defeat the Nazis, More than I can say about your French buddies.

[_747]

Source: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/mgw:@field(DOCID+@lit(gw030376))

source: George Washington to Continental Congress, September 21, 1775

Quote:
Camp at cambridge, September 21, 1775

"I am now to inform the Hon: Congress, that encouraged by the repeated Declarations of the Canadians and Indians and urged by their requests; I have detached Colonel Arnold with 1000 men to penetrate into Canada by Way of Kennebeck River, and if possible to make himself Master of Quebec"

Hmmm....By the Request of the Quebecois and the First Nations the Continental Congress and George Washington went on a lengthy campaign to re-capture France's lost Colony of Nouvelle France/Canada/Quebec.

Actually, Do you believe this???? NO!! It was not the Quebecois or the Real Canadians who requested the Continental Congress and in turn George Washington to make himself master of Quebec; It was King Louis XVI ;) that made this request :-D 8) This was a ruse to throw off the British Monarch from France's involvement in helping the American Colonies achieve independence. \/ :!:

Source: The Founding Fathers George Washington A Biography in his own words (edited by: Ralph Andrist)

Quote: ..., experts in military engineering, Washington could not have done without. The Marquis de Lafayette, an arrival during the summer of 1777...

One Bright spot for Washington was the return in May, 1780, of Lafayette from a year-and-a-half furlough in France. The young marquis, whose relationship with Washington was the return in young marquis, whose relationship with Washington had become almost that of Father and son, brought the inspiriting news that six French men-of-war and six thousand troops were on their way to America.

George Washington held the Marquis Lafayette in high Regard and they were essentially soldiers from France.

In 1778 France itself was actively trying to regain the Colony of Nouvelle France/Canada/Quebec.

Source: The Founding Fathers George Washington A Biography in his own words (edited by: Ralph Andrist)

Quote: In January the intriguers, through the Board of War, which they dominated, concieved a winter attack on Canada to be led by the Marquis de Lafayette...

Not only was George Washington trying to re-capture Quebec but France also sent in soldiers to retrieve Quebec. ;) :-D 8)


source: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/mgw:@field(DOCID+@lit(gw110349))

George Washington, May 5, 1778, General Orders

Quote:
Head Quarters, V. Forge, Tuesday, May 5, 1778

Upon a signal given, the whole Army will Huzza! "Long Live the King of France." The Artillery then begins again and fires thirteen rounds, this will be succeeded by a second general discharge of the Musquetry in a tuning fire. Huzza! " And long live the friendly European Powers." Then the last discharge of thirteen Pieces of Artillery will be given, followed by a General tuning fire and Huzza! "To the American States."

Who were those European Powers???? France, Germany, and Spain. For all you Pretend Canadians, George Washington had a word for you British Subjects: The Enemy :!: So all of you who threaten Quebec with violence and repartioning, keep it up :!: I am sure Germany is keen on playing a central role in the Liberating of Quebec when the time comes :wink: :)

I apologize to this forum I pegged the Parti Quebecois and the Bloc Quebecois as sovereigntists. My mistake!!

Liberationists, Not Separatists :!: , Not Sovereigntists :!: , but Liberationist :!:

Liberationists

Quote: 1/ The act of liberating or the state of being liberated.
2/ The act or process of trying to achieve equal rights and status.

I hope the next time Gilles Duceppe is referred to in the House of Commons or the media as a Separatists, he will correct the House of Commons and the Media and state he is a Liberationists :!:

As per request by the Canadians: September 21, 1775, when is the United States going to make itself master of Quebec :!?:

The Quebecois is still waiting :!: :!:

:-D

[thundertaker]

Quote:
Who were those European Powers???? France, Germany, and Spain.

Umm, Germany didn't become a unified nation until 1871. Before then it was a collection of independent states, many of whom were allied to Britain and sent Hessian mercenaries to fight for the Tory cause. George III was the Elector of Hanoever, so they were most certainly not friendly to the colonist's cause.....

[_747]

They indicated Prussian Support. Prussia is now Germany isn't it??

[thundertaker]

_747 wrote: They indicated Prussian Support. Prussia is now Germany isn't it??

Prussia was one of the German states, but they detested France and they were an ally of Britian during the 7 years war, so I doubt they actively assisted the colonists. Von Steuben was a Prussian, but he went of his own volition, not that of his government.
It was Holland, France and Spain who declared war on Britain during the American revolution. In actual fact, Britain enlisted German mercenaries to fight for them during the American revolution, and the use of these 'foreigners' caused further alienation with the colonists......