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eynon
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| Posted: Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:31 am Post subject: |
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thundertaker wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Eynon81 wrote: hahahaha...you know I wouldn't mind brits voting in our elections one bit
ARRRRGGGGHHHHH! I can't believe you said that! I hope you realize which party Blair is in. The LABOR party, the source of Fabianism itself. This alliance should really make people think about exactly what they are supporting!
Actually, Blair has virtually destroyed all the remnants of the Labour party's socialist origins. In terms of fiscal policy, 'New' Labour is now indistinguishable from the tories..........
see...he destroyed socialist stuff...now that's a man I can vote for.... |
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cap'n queasy
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thundertaker wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Eynon81 wrote: hahahaha...you know I wouldn't mind brits voting in our elections one bit
ARRRRGGGGHHHHH! I can't believe you said that! I hope you realize which party Blair is in. The LABOR party, the source of Fabianism itself. This alliance should really make people think about exactly what they are supporting!
Actually, Blair has virtually destroyed all the remnants of the Labour party's socialist origins. In terms of fiscal policy, 'New' Labour is now indistinguishable from the tories..........
It might seem that way, I don't know that that is an accurate statement or not. But no one that is not a US citizen should be voting in US elections, especially a Presidential election. Monopoly Capitalism is a form of Fabian Socialism and is a socialist entity. And a very clever one at that. Research Fabianism, you might be surprised at where it's roots are. |
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thorn
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Eynon81 wrote: wow thorn....I aint feelin the love....No Iraq war aside Blair would make a good us prez...he's not the greasy sonofabitch that clinton was so we'd let him get away with a lot more. Plus you gotta remember that the vast majority of the US leadership was for our little dumb-ass sandy adventure...so the debate over here is over other things. And on those other things Blair would do pretty good...he just have to become a bit more pro-gun....
Eynon,
I just quoted some Brits I talked to and then tried to apply this and the politics he represents to an American constituency.
Maybe I should have marked this accordingly? :think:
This has nothing to do with me liking Blair or not. Personally, I yet have to come to a final conclusion about him. But I still think his English is better than Dubya's. |
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thundertaker
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cap'n queasy wrote: thundertaker wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Eynon81 wrote: hahahaha...you know I wouldn't mind brits voting in our elections one bit
ARRRRGGGGHHHHH! I can't believe you said that! I hope you realize which party Blair is in. The LABOR party, the source of Fabianism itself. This alliance should really make people think about exactly what they are supporting!
Actually, Blair has virtually destroyed all the remnants of the Labour party's socialist origins. In terms of fiscal policy, 'New' Labour is now indistinguishable from the tories..........
It might seem that way, I don't know that that is an accurate statement or not. But no one that is not a US citizen should be voting in US elections, especially a Presidential election. Monopoly Capitalism is a form of Fabian Socialism and is a socialist entity. And a very clever one at that. Research Fabianism, you might be surprised at where it's roots are.
Tony Blair has rivaled the Tory party's zeal in privatising publically-owned companies. Describing Tony Blair as a socialist is laughable...... |
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eynon
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| Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 12:37 am Post subject: |
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thorn wrote: Eynon81 wrote: wow thorn....I aint feelin the love....No Iraq war aside Blair would make a good us prez...he's not the greasy sonofabitch that clinton was so we'd let him get away with a lot more. Plus you gotta remember that the vast majority of the US leadership was for our little dumb-ass sandy adventure...so the debate over here is over other things. And on those other things Blair would do pretty good...he just have to become a bit more pro-gun....
Eynon,
I just quoted some Brits I talked to and then tried to apply this and the politics he represents to an American constituency.
Maybe I should have marked this accordingly? :think:
This has nothing to do with me liking Blair or not. Personally, I yet have to come to a final conclusion about him. But I still think his English is better than Dubya's.
I'm respect your opion Thorn so I'm curious as to who you think is the best leader out there right now. Seems like rather slim pickings....I'm a big fan of Manmohan Singh over in India. |
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thorn
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Eynon81 wrote: I'm respect your opion Thorn so I'm curious as to who you think is the best leader out there right now. Seems like rather slim pickings....I'm a big fan of Manmohan Singh over in India.
:-D
The best leader out there? I have honestly no idea. What are the parameters to judge them on? (yeah, that's tedious, but that's me :wink: )
I can't say anything about Manmohan Singh, I don't know about him. So I just have to take your word for it.
Jean-Claude Juncker in Luxemburg is someone I see as extremely positive, a very pragmatic and relatively young politician who takes reality as his compass, and who also is straightforward enough to tell what he thinks. That includes criticism of his fellow European politicians like Schröder and Chirac, Miller and Blair. However, who honestly cares about Luxemburg in the world politically? But still his voice has some weight in the EU, and I think this means something for such a small country.
Every leader has positive sides as well as negative ones. The consistently perfect leader is an utopia.
How good a leader is is most of the time only seen long after he left office, and most of them were highly controversial during their lifetime. Examples for this: you once mentioned Deng, the eternal question mark. Willy Brandt was truly a great man. Kemal Atatürk today would be a terrorist or find himself on some axis of evil, but his changes in Turkey were breathtaking and visionary.
Ehud Barak had the potential for a lasting legacy, but he failed because of Yassir Arafat and Israeli hardliners equally (I doubt Duchifas is happy to read this.).
Potentially great politicians of today: Junichiro Koizumi of Japan, Mohammad Chatami of Iran (but I think he'll be rather the tragic figure), Recep Tayip Erdogan of Turkey, Tony Blair.
Who's today a hero can be an ass tomorrow and vice-versa. A final judgement about a controversial politician can only be made as soon as he left the stage.
And now let me see some answers without flames, folks. :twisted: |
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eynon
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| A great post as ushall Thorn...honestly I get some hope from reading what you have to say :-D If your aren't familair with Singh hop on Google and do a search, I was pretty excited when I found out about him being choosen as India's pm. You know how India's economy is growing between 7-8% per quarter...well he's the reason. Was finace minister in the early 90's and was resbonsible for what some call "India's Mirical"...namley that they went from bankrupt to boom in like 2 years. Plus he's a Sihk...which is really cool, because it does a lot to bisect Inida's relgious/political bulls**t....kinda like if dems had nominated Joe Liberman....but yeah I want opinions, who's the best.....oh and why :-D |
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thorn
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Eynon81 wrote: A great post as ushall Thorn...honestly I get some hope from reading what you have to say :-D
Hope? For me? Never. :wink: :1lol:
But thanks for the compliment.
Quote: If your aren't familair with Singh hop on Google and do a search, I was pretty excited when I found out about him being choosen as India's pm. You know how India's economy is growing between 7-8% per quarter...well he's the reason. Was finace minister in the early 90's and was resbonsible for what some call "India's Mirical"...namley that they went from bankrupt to boom in like 2 years. Plus he's a Sihk...which is really cool, because it does a lot to bisect Inida's relgious/political bulls**t....kinda like if dems had nominated Joe Liberman....
Sounds indeed interesting. I will sink my teeth into it as soon as I get rid of that alarmclock sitting on my back. Until that I will concur. :wink:
Quote: but yeah I want opinions, who's the best.....oh and why :-D
Does that apply to me? Or do you mean all the other people out there? |
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eynon
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[quote="thorn"] Eynon81 wrote: nk:
Quote: but yeah I want opinions, who's the best.....oh and why :-D
Does that apply to me? Or do you mean all the other people out there?
what do you think :-D |
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thorn
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:58 am Post subject: |
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Eynon81 wrote: what do you think :-D
Right now I think your quoting skills suck. :P Late in the evening, right?
Given that I already posted some examples I think you were addressing all the others in here. 8) |
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eynon
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| Posted: Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| lay off the quoting skills damn-it!!!! I'm bored and lonley, missing blondes and redheads and just found a store that sells burbon soo :P |
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thorn
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Eynon81 wrote: lay off the quoting skills damn-it!!!! I'm bored and lonley, missing blondes and redheads and just found a store that sells burbon soo :P
well at least you're not complaining but try to do something about your situation instead. cheers man. :-D
You're bored? why not dissect a frog? :twisted: |
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cap'n queasy
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| That website is so cool. My son and nephew loved it! |
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kingcourage
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Eynon81 wrote: lay off the quoting skills damn-it!!!! I'm bored and lonley, missing blondes and redheads and just found a store that sells burbon soo :P
go to Shanghai or Guangzhou,shengzhen by plane. there is blondes. :wink:
many Chinese Muslim live in Xi'an, don't get in trouble :!oops: |
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eynon
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kingcourage wrote: Eynon81 wrote: lay off the quoting skills damn-it!!!! I'm bored and lonley, missing blondes and redheads and just found a store that sells burbon soo :P
go to Shanghai or Guangzhou,shengzhen by plane. there is blondes. :wink:
many Chinese Muslim live in Xi'an, don't get in trouble :!oops:
:-D :lol: :lol: thanks for the advice! |
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Vero
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| i started reading these posts and forgot what the topic was.... |
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