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[Golddave]

Hopefully Howard will win again, Australia is in good shape and he genuinely cares about our futures. Not like knock em out Latham.

[Kindred]

Well we are in a huge amount of debt, which has been increasing steadily since he came into power, he lied to the poeple repeatedley, he increased university prices limiting it to the rich, he will be defeated as all the polls are currently suggestung.

Bob Brown has my vote.

[Golddave]

Well Bob Brown has NO CHANCE at winning neither do the greens who have absolutely no idea anyway. I do not know what you are whinging about the economy for, the currency and interest rates have been in good shape and the great australian dream of owning your own home is now more possible then ever. Howard will not be defeated, everyone I know is voting for him. We will see.

[maxtsu]

John Howard is well past his use by date.
He said he would retire the last time round.

[BlueEmperor1]

Well, as a non-Aussie, obviously, I can only comment from an outsiders perspective. I have family living in Australia and they're all Howard supporters. Also, Mr Howard is a monarchist.

B.E.

[Golddave]

Blue emperor, thanks for your input, John Howard is doing a sterling job and I believe should continue.

[BlueEmperor1]

You're welcome, Dave. It would be a real shame for Australians to abolish the Australian Crown, thereby cutting their historic ties with the Mother Country through shared allegience to a shared monarch.

B.E.

[Kindred]

Ouch, did you see Latham demolish Howard in the debate the other night, he got the same total votes for winning as Beazley did last time around.

[maxtsu]

A.D wrote: Ouch, did you see Latham demolish Howard in the debate the other night, he got the same total votes for winning as Beazley did last time around.
Yeah. Howard got bashed on his supposed strong area, defense.
Himself and Downer keep spewing the same crap about Australia is not in anymore danger for involvement in the Iraq war.

Even in the Motherland (England) people know that Britain is more of a target for being part of the war.

[watermelon]

Biff Latham sould pull up first I belive, however that is still largly dependent on the Green Vote and the out come of the currant hostage situation

[krinkle]

Golddave wrote: Well Bob Brown has NO CHANCE at winning neither do the greens who have absolutely no idea anyway. I do not know what you are whinging about the economy for, the currency and interest rates have been in good shape and the great australian dream of owning your own home is now more possible then ever. Howard will not be defeated, everyone I know is voting for him. We will see.

Let me start by saying, you have no understanding whatsoever of what is happening in the real world...and sound like you've been to a few too many young lib's meetings. Stop parroting Howard's cries of how good the economy is, interest rates are set by the reserve bank and any suggestion that one particular party policy would be so effective of detrimental as to alter these rates is arrogant scaremongering!

As for the bulls**t about 'the great Australian dream'......go and check out the price of houses in your area, actually try your COUNTRY and tell me any states that have had a significant reduction in housing. The entire property market is only now starting to slow down after 4 years of rapid value increases....how the hell does this equate to "the great Australian dream of owning your own home is now more possible then ever"??

Howard will be defeated, by Latham! My vote will be going to Bob. I think you'll find the Greens will be quite damaging in the coming election, John might even lose his on seat...that would be some funny s**t!

[Fist in the air]

Howard is a human rights violator and should be tried in an international court. He has lock people up in the middle of the desert who are guilt of no crime. Assylum seekers are not our enemy, either are Aboriginies, Workers, Young People, Iraqis, Muslims or anyone that earns under 52,000 a year. Our real enemy is Howard he is trying to shift the crosshairs of his own head by blaming the powerless. The day will come, i hope on October 9, that we will be rid of this criminal despot.

[maxtsu]

Fist in the air wrote: Howard is a human rights violator and should be tried in an international court. He has lock people up in the middle of the desert who are guilt of no crime. Assylum seekers are not our enemy, either are Aboriginies, Workers, Young People, Iraqis, Muslims or anyone that earns under 52,000 a year. Our real enemy is Howard he is trying to shift the crosshairs of his own head by blaming the powerless. The day will come, i hope on October 9, that we will be rid of this criminal despot.
Like all your points above.
Would like to add-in wrt Asylum seekers.
The whole Asylum seekers business is a political hysteria for gaining votes. There is no worry about the issue.
Simple stat. Ireland, Island Republic in the west of Europe with a population of 4 million. Had more then twice as many Asylum seekers then Australia in 2002.
Howard was spotlighting Asylum Seekers because it would have the popular vote. Not that is was any real issue.

[Kindred]

Wow, more Australians and even a fellow Melbournian, were have you all been?

[Kindred]

krinkle wrote: Golddave wrote: Well Bob Brown has NO CHANCE at winning neither do the greens who have absolutely no idea anyway. I do not know what you are whinging about the economy for, the currency and interest rates have been in good shape and the great australian dream of owning your own home is now more possible then ever. Howard will not be defeated, everyone I know is voting for him. We will see.

Let me start by saying, you have no understanding whatsoever of what is happening in the real world...and sound like you've been to a few too many young lib's meetings. Stop parroting Howard's cries of how good the economy is, interest rates are set by the reserve bank and any suggestion that one particular party policy would be so effective of detrimental as to alter these rates is arrogant scaremongering!

As for the bulls**t about 'the great Australian dream'......go and check out the price of houses in your area, actually try your COUNTRY and tell me any states that have had a significant reduction in housing. The entire property market is only now starting to slow down after 4 years of rapid value increases....how the hell does this equate to "the great Australian dream of owning your own home is now more possible then ever"??

Howard will be defeated, by Latham! My vote will be going to Bob. I think you'll find the Greens will be quite damaging in the coming election, John might even lose his on seat...that would be some funny s**t!

That would be f***ing fantastic, My mates have organised a party for October the 9th, to celebtrae an end to the years of tyrany :)

[Golddave]

What a load of left wing, propaganda BS. I have never been to a young libs meeting. I watched the debate and I must say, Latham just sprouts crap that people want to hear. "We'll do more in this corner of the world... blah blah blah". We are not a bigger target for our participation in Iraq, I was deployed there first hand and I feel better that I was there when Saddam was ousted. The people were so happy that they were now free, the vast majority of them are friendly, beautiful people who loved the fact Australians were there to help out. Isn't that in our nation as Australians? To get in there and give a hand when it is needed? The housing market is starting to come down, interest rates are good and unemployment is extreamyl low, that is why the great australian dream is possible. As for you pass the ganja greenies, you have no idea, if you want howard and his government out, vote for Latham because the greens are not going to pull the kind of votes needed to make a huge difference. I do not see in the near future, the greens being a MAJOR party. Ie. Severly rivaling ALP and the coalition. Howard is not a human rights violator, it is our right as a country to protect our borders, just because we are an island continent does n't make us any different.
I am sick of this p/c crowd spewing on about this crap.

Howard is a human rights violator and should be tried in an international court. He has lock people up in the middle of the desert who are guilt of no crime. Assylum seekers are not our enemy, either are Aboriginies, Workers, Young People, Iraqis, Muslims or anyone that earns under 52,000 a year. Our real enemy is Howard he is trying to shift the crosshairs of his own head by blaming the powerless. The day will come, i hope on October 9, that we will be rid of this criminal despot.

As for locking people up in the desert, well they shouldn't be here in the first place, there are ways to apply for refugee status, legally, these people are illegally entering the country. I had a friend of mine who was responsible for boarding boats in the NT and searching for illegal substances, illegal immigrants etc. He told me stories about how he'd go aboard the junk and they would be like "we love australia" and when they were informed they weren't allowed into the country because they were entering illegally, the cries quickly became violent and anti australian, hope bin laden gets you etc. I do not want people like that in my country, we should be compassionate but not complacent, Australia, its people, their way of life, that should come first.

Fist in the air, I think it is absolutely ridiculous how you compare the budget with discriminating against people, I earn under $52000 a year, I am a worker and a young person, hell I have even dabbled in Islam but you do not see me, trying to jump on the band wagon and say, "help me I am hard done by".
The world is your oyster go and out there and make it, no one else is going to do it for you, being young, an immigrant, of another race, colour or creed is not an excuse, embrace who you are, love it and better yourself. Only then will you get ahead.
You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink.

[Fist in the air]

Embrace the world for yourself, or embrace the world for a common humanity. Whats the point of embracing the world if your rise up helps no one but yourself.

I have met many assylum seekers and the ones i know are good people.

Your personal judgements on a whole group of people are wrong just because of the view of some guy you know.

If you were in Afghanistan, dodging bombs n the like, having the TAliban in power, the Taliban that the U.S gave millions of dollars to before changing its mind and going to war against it. If you were getting beaten by the Taliban and bombed by the US, and having nothing except a hunger in your stomach. IF your dad went to get a food package and got blown up by a U.S bomb on the way and all that remained for you was certain death what other option is their but to flee.

And if you arrived here knowing we were a US ally and after spending years following your dream of political assylum and you got a gun pointed in your face from border patrol, strip searched and hit i bet you might to say something like i hope Bin LAden gets you.


I can understand that.

I can also understand that there is no way to apply for Asylum for most people that need it.

REfugees are human beings, lets recognise our common humanity and treat them like people.

LEts vote Howard out and stop our fast decent into becoming the new South Africa.

If Howard gets voted back in he will have less hesitation in introducing more draconian measures.

[krinkle]

Golddave wrote: What a load of left wing, propaganda BS. I have never been to a young libs meeting. I watched the debate and I must say, Latham just sprouts crap that people want to hear. "We'll do more in this corner of the world... blah blah blah". We are not a bigger target for our participation in Iraq, I was deployed there first hand and I feel better that I was there when Saddam was ousted. The people were so happy that they were now free, the vast majority of them are friendly, beautiful people who loved the fact Australians were there to help out. Isn't that in our nation as Australians? To get in there and give a hand when it is needed? The housing market is starting to come down, interest rates are good and unemployment is extreamyl low, that is why the great australian dream is possible. As for you pass the ganja greenies, you have no idea, if you want howard and his government out, vote for Latham because the greens are not going to pull the kind of votes needed to make a huge difference. I do not see in the near future, the greens being a MAJOR party. Ie. Severly rivaling ALP and the coalition. Howard is not a human rights violator, it is our right as a country to protect our borders, just because we are an island continent does n't make us any different.
I am sick of this p/c crowd spewing on about this crap.

Howard is a human rights violator and should be tried in an international court. He has lock people up in the middle of the desert who are guilt of no crime. Assylum seekers are not our enemy, either are Aboriginies, Workers, Young People, Iraqis, Muslims or anyone that earns under 52,000 a year. Our real enemy is Howard he is trying to shift the crosshairs of his own head by blaming the powerless. The day will come, i hope on October 9, that we will be rid of this criminal despot.

As for locking people up in the desert, well they shouldn't be here in the first place, there are ways to apply for refugee status, legally, these people are illegally entering the country. I had a friend of mine who was responsible for boarding boats in the NT and searching for illegal substances, illegal immigrants etc. He told me stories about how he'd go aboard the junk and they would be like "we love australia" and when they were informed they weren't allowed into the country because they were entering illegally, the cries quickly became violent and anti australian, hope bin laden gets you etc. I do not want people like that in my country, we should be compassionate but not complacent, Australia, its people, their way of life, that should come first.

Fist in the air, I think it is absolutely ridiculous how you compare the budget with discriminating against people, I earn under $52000 a year, I am a worker and a young person, hell I have even dabbled in Islam but you do not see me, trying to jump on the band wagon and say, "help me I am hard done by".
The world is your oyster go and out there and make it, no one else is going to do it for you, being young, an immigrant, of another race, colour or creed is not an excuse, embrace who you are, love it and better yourself. Only then will you get ahead.
You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink.

- Saddam Hussein had been murdering and terrorizing the Iraqi people for over 30 years, at times with the support of the US administration.

- Iraq has been in possession on chemical weapons since the late 1970's. The US was well aware of this as they provided SAT Imagery for the Iraqi Army to use in chemical attacks against the Iranians.

- Iraq WAS a secular society, renowned for its hard-line approach to terrorist organisations.

- Iraq is not a nuclear power.

I'm struggling to understand on what basis you could be happy to participate in this illegal invasion of a sovereign nation. The fact that Saddam is gone is a good thing, but at what cost?

You are so hypocritical and righteous mate, on one hand you claim the Iraqi people (when within the confines of their own country) are worthy of our/your help, yet when they arrive as refugees on our shores (they're people who are fleeing the country from ethnic, religious or political persecution) you think we should lock them up in cages in the middle of the f***ing desert. You can't have it both ways champ. If your gonna be an scared little pric and support a government that wants to disregard the international conventions on human rights....DON'T EVER ATTEMPT TO USE THE WELFARE OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING AS JUSTIFICATION FOR YOUR ACTIONS, BECAUSE THAT IS JUST f***ing LAUGHABLE!!

[krinkle]

A.D wrote: Wow, more Australians and even a fellow Melbournian, were have you all been?
under the bed!

[watermelon]

BlueEmperor1 wrote: You're welcome, Dave. It would be a real shame for Australians to abolish the Australian Crown, thereby cutting their historic ties with the Mother Country through shared allegience to a shared monarch.

B.E.

Why should Australia remained tried to an outdated Autocratic system that has no allegiance to the Nation, take WW2 as an example, and what's more why cling to a monarch that many of the British no longer want