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Say No To The Euro · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 58 Location: Norfolk, England

What about Jimmy Carter?! ;)

Nah, Clinton was a seriously good president. I hate to think what s**t we'd be in now if Bush didnt have Clintons military in Iraq. Apparently, Clinton is the best president America has had in the last 100 years, I dont know about that, but the facts that were provided to back up that theory sure do show that he was a great president.

Everything George W takes claim for was done under Clinton, and is now being ruined by him.

Vero · Joined: 17 Sep 2004 Posts: 146 Location: Vancouver, Canada

yeah i did like Clinton...

Zed · Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 36

You don't know what you've lost 'til it's gone :(
As far as Bush is concerned he is a moron. A dangerous one. The big problem is that Kerry really doesn't offer much of a change as far as foreign policy goes. Bush will get in - despite his smirk - and the world will be even worse off for it. Every indication that Bush is a fool can be backed up by facts. The way he mangles the English language is proof enough. The man that is the real brains-albeit an evil brain - is of course :evil: The Dick. The hypocrisy of the Bush admin is truly breath-taking.

Vero · Joined: 17 Sep 2004 Posts: 146 Location: Vancouver, Canada

Zed - you are great. Couldn't agree more

Golddave · Joined: 08 Sep 2004 Posts: 1557 Location: Australia

Zed wrote: You don't know what you've lost 'til it's gone :(
As far as Bush is concerned he is a moron. A dangerous one. The big problem is that Kerry really doesn't offer much of a change as far as foreign policy goes. Bush will get in - despite his smirk - and the world will be even worse off for it. Every indication that Bush is a fool can be backed up by facts. The way he mangles the English language is proof enough. The man that is the real brains-albeit an evil brain - is of course :evil: The Dick. The hypocrisy of the Bush admin is truly breath-taking.

You are an idiot, I am sorry, it is not your fault but you are. You offer no alternative but criticise all in sundry, What are your so called facts? The man has the hardest job in the world, do you think that you could better?
I sincerly doubt it.

Kieran · Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 901 Location: The Waste Land

I still can't believe that f***head got into power in the first place. Over here in Britain i think most people see him as a joke, a bad joke. i mean they sell books with collections of his stupid quotes! You laugh until you realise that this dangerous coke-addled idiot actually wields the worlds most powerful army.

I think it all says a lot about the power of the american media, which has done such a sterling job of controlling their populace and keeping them blind to the rest of the world. Ok, John Kerry is not much better, but jesus christ guys, just out of principle, kick the p***k out!

eynon · Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 11:56 pm Post subject:

A state of anomie wrote: I still can't believe that f***head got into power in the first place. Over here in Britain i think most people see him as a joke, a bad joke. i mean they sell books with collections of his stupid quotes! You laugh until you realise that this dangerous coke-addled idiot actually wields the worlds most powerful army.

I think it all says a lot about the power of the american media, which has done such a sterling job of controlling their populace and keeping them blind to the rest of the world. Ok, John Kerry is not much better, but jesus christ guys, just out of principle, kick the p***k out!

wait, calm down cousin...I'd like to use your post to make a point if I may. Mainly focusing on the second part, about American being controlled by our media and such. Lately I've been thinking a lot about Bush...yeah he s*cks...I think he suck for different reasons then lots of other people, but he is pretty bad. So I've been reflecting on how he got into power, I mean the States has a lot of very, very smart capable people, but Bush got in....hmmm.....Now I don't think this is the main reason he got elected, or he very well may get re-elected, but look at the second part of your statement. Well the thing is that the European media and leftist media in the states has been saying s**t like that for years. "Americans are blind" "Americans are Stupid" "Americans are Sheep", ect,ect....well you ever think that by saying stuff like that you may be creating sympathy and ergo more support for people like Bush. Truth be told the average American has about as much respect for a Europeans' poltical opinion as that European has for his...namely not a whole lot. So by inflaming the situation and pissing Yanks off even worse isn't that helping Bush.....just food for thought

Kieran · Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 901 Location: The Waste Land

Eynon81 wrote: A state of anomie wrote: I still can't believe that f***head got into power in the first place. Over here in Britain i think most people see him as a joke, a bad joke. i mean they sell books with collections of his stupid quotes! You laugh until you realise that this dangerous coke-addled idiot actually wields the worlds most powerful army.

I think it all says a lot about the power of the american media, which has done such a sterling job of controlling their populace and keeping them blind to the rest of the world. Ok, John Kerry is not much better, but jesus christ guys, just out of principle, kick the p***k out!

wait, calm down cousin...I'd like to use your post to make a point if I may. Mainly focusing on the second part, about American being controlled by our media and such. Lately I've been thinking a lot about Bush...yeah he s*cks...I think he suck for different reasons then lots of other people, but he is pretty bad. So I've been reflecting on how he got into power, I mean the States has a lot of very, very smart capable people, but Bush got in....hmmm.....Now I don't think this is the main reason he got elected, or he very well may get re-elected, but look at the second part of your statement. Well the thing is that the European media and leftist media in the states has been saying s**t like that for years. "Americans are blind" "Americans are Stupid" "Americans are Sheep", ect,ect....well you ever think that by saying stuff like that you may be creating sympathy and ergo more support for people like Bush. Truth be told the average American has about as much respect for a Europeans' poltical opinion as that European has for his...namely not a whole lot. So by inflaming the situation and pissing Yanks off even worse isn't that helping Bush.....just food for thought

I understand what you're saying, and though i didnt mean to criticise the whole of the US in my rather emotive post, I do realise now how it can be/could've been taken that way. I dont have any problem with the American people, most of whom I am sure are just good people like most of the people everywhere in the world, I have a problem with the mass media (and not just in america, but in Europe too), which seems to me to be used by the wealthy and powerful as a very effective propoganda tool. Now it seems to me that if Bush is re-elected, despite all his errors of judgement and dangerous decisions, then what is to blame is the mainstream media.

You made an interesting point about how sympathy is created for Bush by playing up to the fact that he is not the most articulate human being on the planet. I see this happening over here too, because when people laugh at him, they dont take him seriously, and already they're almost forgetting that something must be done to stop him.

Zed · Joined: 22 Aug 2004 Posts: 36

Golddave wrote: Zed wrote: You don't know what you've lost 'til it's gone :(
As far as Bush is concerned he is a moron. A dangerous one. The big problem is that Kerry really doesn't offer much of a change as far as foreign policy goes. Bush will get in - despite his smirk - and the world will be even worse off for it. Every indication that Bush is a fool can be backed up by facts. The way he mangles the English language is proof enough. The man that is the real brains-albeit an evil brain - is of course :evil: The Dick. The hypocrisy of the Bush admin is truly breath-taking.

You are an idiot, I am sorry, it is not your fault but you are. You offer no alternative but criticise all in sundry, What are your so called facts? The man has the hardest job in the world, do you think that you could better?
I sincerly doubt it.
Speaking of idiotic responses what proof do you have that Bush isn't a moron with "the hardest job in the world". Everything in his educational background has him portrayed has a class clown or a bully. He didn't get into Harvard on his mental prowess.Everyone knows he got in because of who he was. He then proved that he learned nothing in business school by having a series of business failures. Failed despite a cash injection by the bin Laden family. He wasn't really successful until he plugged in and started playing the game of course. The evidence he is a mental midget is overwelming.
If the world could vote for the presidency the vast majority of the world would vote Bush out. Has nothing to do with Kerry. Just anybody but Bush. His statement in the debates that " he knows how the world works" made my head spin. The guys a joke. A bad one.

thinkaboutit · Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 7

I have a question for all non-americans. Hypothetically, lets say Bush weasles his way into complete control of America, executive, judicial, and legeslative. Hypothetically, say that W. takes away our free speech and personal liberties, and turns completly to authoritarian rule. You say he should be stopped, but in that situation would anybody step in and walk the talk?

eynon · Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:32 pm Post subject:

thinkaboutit wrote: I have a question for all non-americans. Hypothetically, lets say Bush weasles his way into complete control of America, executive, judicial, and legeslative. Hypothetically, say that W. takes away our free speech and personal liberties, and turns completly to authoritarian rule. You say he should be stopped, but in that situation would anybody step in and walk the talk?

only non-americans can respond to this?

thinkaboutit · Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 7

Eynon81 wrote: thinkaboutit wrote: I have a question for all non-americans. Hypothetically, lets say Bush weasles his way into complete control of America, executive, judicial, and legeslative. Hypothetically, say that W. takes away our free speech and personal liberties, and turns completly to authoritarian rule. You say he should be stopped, but in that situation would anybody step in and walk the talk?

only non-americans can respond to this? Not only, but it was mainly asked to people that aren't American. Seeing as it discusses the wellbieng of America.

logic-rules · Joined: 07 Sep 2004 Posts: 1861 Location: submarine

i wonder, if there was a world wide poll taken of who the most hated man on earth was between bush, osama, and the pope, who would win?

Secondary Oak · Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 3418 Location: Haifa

VBach37 wrote: What do those on this forum that are not Americans think of George Bush?

I think he's a moron who means well. Considering what we see in our media, I wouldn't be surprised if most Israelis think he's at least simple-minded.

Reluctant Prophet · Joined: 13 Aug 2004 Posts: 289

thinkaboutit wrote: Eynon81 wrote: thinkaboutit wrote: I have a question for all non-americans. Hypothetically, lets say Bush weasles his way into complete control of America, executive, judicial, and legeslative. Hypothetically, say that W. takes away our free speech and personal liberties, and turns completly to authoritarian rule. You say he should be stopped, but in that situation would anybody step in and walk the talk?

only non-americans can respond to this? Not only, but it was mainly asked to people that aren't American. Seeing as it discusses the wellbieng of America.

1) I would be less concerned about Bush doing this then Kerry.

2) If either Bush or Kerry did this, there would be millions of armed citizens to stand up to it.

3) If another country decided to act upon there concerns about the "wellbing of America", then there would be millions of armed citizens to deal with.

DEFCON 1 · Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2004 5:56 am Post subject:

Hehe This thread give special insight into seeing what foreigners think with. :lol: :lol:

thinkaboutit · Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 7

The question wasn't whether there would be millions of armed Americans to fight (thank you second amendment). The question is what would the international response be if Bush succeded?

Reluctant Prophet · Joined: 13 Aug 2004 Posts: 289

Reluctant Prophet wrote: thinkaboutit wrote: Eynon81 wrote: thinkaboutit wrote: I have a question for all non-americans. Hypothetically, lets say Bush weasles his way into complete control of America, executive, judicial, and legeslative. Hypothetically, say that W. takes away our free speech and personal liberties, and turns completly to authoritarian rule. You say he should be stopped, but in that situation would anybody step in and walk the talk?

only non-americans can respond to this? Not only, but it was mainly asked to people that aren't American. Seeing as it discusses the wellbieng of America.

1) I would be less concerned about Bush doing this then Kerry.

2) If either Bush or Kerry did this, there would be millions of armed citizens to stand up to it.

3) If another country decided to act upon there concerns about the "wellbing of America", then there would be millions of armed citizens to deal with.

thinkaboutit wrote: The question wasn't whether there would be millions of armed Americans to fight (thank you second amendment). The question is what would the international response be if Bush succeded?

Well, let me tell you what I think will be the response, at least my response...

If Kerry, or Bush, were to pull that, and the international community intervene, I, and many others, would probably take our sites off of the establishment, and put them on the foreign invaders......

So I would warn them, no... We would take care of it. The wellbeing of America is not there concern. If they are concerned with the world, let them act in Sudan, and Iran, and North Korea.

So I guess the answer would be no. The International community, with the exception of a few, does not currently walk the talk. If it did why did they waste time with 17 resolutions, and then b**** when we, and a few others, put the soldiers where all our mouths were.

Or is a "strong condemnation" walking the talk?

thinkaboutit · Joined: 04 Oct 2004 Posts: 7

I would just like to apologize for placing the word "well" directly next to the word "being", and than further my atrocious crime against the laws of grammar and misspell grammar. I just hope that nobody was confused by this mix-up. I apologize.

s_ianson · Joined: 13 Oct 2004 Posts: 15 Location: Australia

My opinion of George Bush is what the media portrays him as. Here in Australia as we have a military alliance and a free trade agreement with the United States of America, we get a very positive image of your President. My personal opinion of George Bush is that he has done the best that he can do under very demanding circumstances. Though with all leaders not all will be satisfied with their efforts. The left leaning media portrays him as ignorant and bumbling. The right portrays him as strong and purposful. I sit firmly between both sides.