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[Kumar]

BBC wrote:
Russian ex-PM has mystery illness

Former Russian Prime Minister Yegor Gaidar is being treated in a Moscow hospital after falling violently ill on a trip to Ireland on 24 November.

Speculation is rife that he may have been poisoned. He fell ill a day after former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko died of radiation poisoning in London.

Mr Gaidar's daughter Maria said "doctors incline towards the view that his symptoms... indicate poisoning".

Mr Gaidar was rushed to intensive care in Dublin, then flown to Moscow.

Mr Gaidar, 50, suffered from a nose bleed and vomiting before fainting in Dublin last Friday, during a visit to promote his book The Death of Empire: Lessons for Contemporary Russia.

His daughter was quoted as saying he had eaten "a simple breakfast of fruit salad and a cup of tea".

Economic role

He has criticised President Vladimir Putin's economic policies, but is not regarded as a prominent political opponent of the Russian leader.

His programme of economic "shock therapy" under Mr Putin's predecessor Boris Yeltsin angered many Russians who saw their savings devalued. The programme lifted price controls and launched large-scale privatisations.

Maria Gaidar said she expected doctors to announce their diagnosis of his mystery illness on Friday.

"His condition is satisfactory and he is speaking, but he looks very bad - he looks pale and thin," she told Reuters news agency.

Anatoly Chubais, who oversaw Boris Yeltsin's privatisation programme and now heads Russia's electricity monopoly Unified Energy Systems, saw his illness as suspicious.

He linked the case to Mr Litvinenko's death and last month's murder of investigative reporter Anna Politkovskaya - both of whom were fierce critics of President Putin.

"The theory of attempted poisoning, attempted murder should undoubtedly be considered seriously," Mr Chubais told state-run Rossiya television.

"A chain of deaths of... Politkovskaya, Litvinenko and Gaidar would perfectly correspond to the interests and vision of those people who are openly talking about a forceful, unconstitutional change of power in Russia as a possible option."
It's tempting to connect this to the Litvinenko case given the timing and the symptoms, but it is just speculation at this point. Still, it is something that will be watched very closely for obvious reasons. Hopefully he will pull through.

[Timmytour]

I sure hope he hasn't been travelling on the same planes as me lately :shock:

[Peace420]

yes odd timing. If I was a Kremlin critic I would change my tune :-|

[Kumar]

Timmytour wrote: I sure hope he hasn't been travelling on the same planes as me lately :shock:
The probes have expanded to four planes now, along with the presence of radiation at 12 London venues.

Fortunately, the risk to civilians is supposedly minimal.

[cap'n queasy]

I would that Russia is sending out some pretty strong signals as to what their intentions are.

[Timmytour]

cap'n queasy wrote: I would that Russia is sending out some pretty strong signals as to what their intentions are.

I've always deeply admired everything Putin has done.....

:gmo:

[cap'n queasy]

Timmytour wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: I would that Russia is sending out some pretty strong signals as to what their intentions are.

I've always deeply admired everything Putin has done.....

:gmo:

Such as?

[Timmytour]

cap'n queasy wrote: Timmytour wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: I would that Russia is sending out some pretty strong signals as to what their intentions are.

I've always deeply admired everything Putin has done.....

:gmo:

Such as?

Such as the wonderful way he has spread the philosophy of democracy in Russia and the measures he has taken to ensure that Russians do not have to endure the same kind of anti-government journalists that we do in the west :!oops:

And also...sorry Mr Putin what was that?...ah yes...and the delightful quips he comes out with when attending G8 summits and the like :-|

[Revenant]

Not to be melodramatic but...

[Charlie Man]

Yeah, this certainly seems to be full scale investigation time.

[thefranzkafkafront]

Frankly I woulnt bet against it being putin.

[Alizard]

Peace420 wrote: yes odd timing. If I was a Kremlin critic I would change my tune :-|

Ditto.

It always amazes me with the constant beating of the war drum over loonies like Kim Jung Il and the leader of Iran.....

People don't realize that Putin may be the most dangerous man on earth. He is a murdering sociopath in a medium priced suit who has absolutely no hesitation to kill any amount of people to restore the wealth and prestige of the former Soviet Union.

But, what makes him dangerous is how desperate he is: the Soviet Union is disintegrating from within (ie Chechneya) and the only methods ever used have all been military force and killing.

And don't forget they still have thousands of hydrogen bombs sitting on missiles being watched by soldiers who get paid about $50 a month if they get paid at all. :cry:

[Chymical]

Come on people, don't be stupid, it's obvious Bu$h did it...

http://www.bushisantichrist.com/

[NAB]

Timmytour wrote: I sure hope he hasn't been travelling on the same planes as me lately :shock:

Since I was traveling on BA during the period, this was sent to me at my office today. I was traveling on BA on some of these dates, but wasn't on any of the listed flights. Take a gander to make sure you weren't on any of them, because it's a pretty long list they're checking.

Flight information for aircraft undergoing forensic tests

[Timmytour]

NAB wrote: Timmytour wrote: I sure hope he hasn't been travelling on the same planes as me lately :shock:

Since I was traveling on BA during the period, this was sent to me at my office today. I was traveling on BA on some of these dates, but wasn't on any of the listed flights. Take a gander to make sure you weren't on any of them, because it's a pretty long list they're checking.

Flight information for aircraft undergoing forensic tests

That's quite frightening isn't it. I'm ok as I only travel Swissair, but who knows where these guys have been leaking this stuff :shock:

btw there was recently a thread that disappeared from the forum.

Can I ask that one of the moderators deletes this thread which was started a while back by somebody impersonating me..( that's right Mr Putin, it wasn't me....honest!)

http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=68375&highlight=putin

[Des]

Alizard wrote: Peace420 wrote: yes odd timing. If I was a Kremlin critic I would change my tune :-|

Ditto.

It always amazes me with the constant beating of the war drum over loonies like Kim Jung Il and the leader of Iran.....

People don't realize that Putin may be the most dangerous man on earth. He is a murdering sociopath in a medium priced suit who has absolutely no hesitation to kill any amount of people to restore the wealth and prestige of the former Soviet Union.

But, what makes him dangerous is how desperate he is: the Soviet Union is disintegrating from within (ie Chechneya) and the only methods ever used have all been military force and killing.

And don't forget they still have thousands of hydrogen bombs sitting on missiles being watched by soldiers who get paid about $50 a month if they get paid at all. :cry:
Just a propoganda. No more.

[Kumar]

BBC wrote: Ms Gaidar, an anti-Kremlin activist, told the BBC doctors in Moscow had been unable to find any other cause except poisoning.

She should exercise some caution...

[thefranzkafkafront]

Kumar wrote: BBC wrote: Ms Gaidar, an anti-Kremlin activist, told the BBC doctors in Moscow had been unable to find any other cause except poisoning.

She should exercise some caution...

Indeed, she might just suddenly come down with some internal bleeding.