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mendosan
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject: Pro-Test: standing up for science |
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http://www.pro-test.org.uk/index.php
Just a quick post about animal research, the link above is to a pro animal testing group formed by a 16 year old boy.
Quote: Pro-Test was formed in January 2006 by Laurie Pycroft, a 16-year-old frustrated with the way that those opposed to vivisection (testing on animals for the purpose of scientific progress) were dominating the public debate on animal research. For well over a year, groups like SPEAK had been protesting the University of Oxford's construction of a new Biomedical Research Facility on South Parks Road, Oxford. Their campaign of intimidation had forced the University's original contractors off the job in July 2004. Construction did not recommence until November 2005, after which anti-vivisectionists renewed their campaign, abetted by extremist groups such as the ALF, which announced it would target students. Similar campaigns led to the cancellation of a very similar laboratory project in Cambridge in 2004.
Its a very worthwhile cause it is just suprising that it takes a pissed of 16 year old to stand up to what in effect are terrorists. |
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The Comrade
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| animal testing has come out with probably the biggest advances in medicine of the last fifty years. |
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mendosan
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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The Comrade wrote: animal testing has come out with probably the biggest advances in medicine of the last fifty years.
All of these:
Anaesthetics
Anticoagulants
Asthma therapy
Blood transfusion
Diphtheria vaccine
Drugs for high blood pressure
Drugs to control transplant rejection
Heart lung machine
Heart replacement valves
Hib meningitis vaccine
Insulin for diabetes
Kidney dialysis
Leukaemia treatments
Penicillin
Polio vaccine
Transplants
Whooping cough (pertussis) vaccine
This is a good site for understanding Animal research
www.rds-online.org.uk/pages/home.asp?i_ToolbarID=8&i_PageID=94 |
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bob.appleyard
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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Animal testing alone is useless. Drugs affect people of different genetic backgrounds differently, so there is no reason to suppose that animals will respond in the same way. We have recently seen the disparity between different kinds of primates.
It is a measure for weeding out the really harmful stuff. This is why I support it. However, all these wonderful medicines had to be tested on humans before entering the market.
Because a load of idiots (some of which are terrorists) say "testing on animals is wrong" or "animal testing is useless," doesn't mean that we should all go the other way and say "animal testing is amazing and fantastic and nothing would have been possible without it."
It's a useful tool for screening, before the real testing -- testing on humans -- begins. |
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bob.appleyard
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| Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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mendosan wrote: The Comrade wrote: animal testing has come out with probably the biggest advances in medicine of the last fifty years.
All of these:
Anaesthetics
Anticoagulants
Asthma therapy
Blood transfusion
Diphtheria vaccine
Drugs for high blood pressure
Drugs to control transplant rejection
Heart lung machine
Heart replacement valves
Hib meningitis vaccine
Insulin for diabetes
Kidney dialysis
Leukaemia treatments
Penicillin
Polio vaccine
Transplants
Whooping cough (pertussis) vaccine
This is a good site for understanding Animal research
www.rds-online.org.uk/pages/home.asp?i_ToolbarID=8&i_PageID=94
I think you do the many scientists a great disservice by ascribing their brilliant discoveries to animal testing. |
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mendosan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:14 am Post subject: |
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bob.appleyard wrote: mendosan wrote: The Comrade wrote: animal testing has come out with probably the biggest advances in medicine of the last fifty years.
All of these:
Anaesthetics
Anticoagulants
Asthma therapy
Blood transfusion
Diphtheria vaccine
Drugs for high blood pressure
Drugs to control transplant rejection
Heart lung machine
Heart replacement valves
Hib meningitis vaccine
Insulin for diabetes
Kidney dialysis
Leukaemia treatments
Penicillin
Polio vaccine
Transplants
Whooping cough (pertussis) vaccine
This is a good site for understanding Animal research
www.rds-online.org.uk/pages/home.asp?i_ToolbarID=8&i_PageID=94
I think you do the many scientists a great disservice by ascribing their brilliant discoveries to animal testing.
I don't see how any would have been possible without the animals that were used to test them. |
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bob.appleyard
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mendosan wrote: I don't see how any would have been possible without the animals that were used to test them.
You (and Comrade) were suggesting "sufficient" in your posts, rather than "necessary." Good that you clarified. |
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sunwook
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I support it to an extent. Heck, its better than testing the new drugs on humans, without any inkling of what effect it may have on them. And of course, I have the bias that animals' lives should be risked before humans'. Its just my opinion, no point arguing about that.
What I would not support is reckless animal testing, where insufficient research has been done prior to testing and it basically boils down to scientists using animals as a sandbox for their new "toys". |
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