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[Heinz]

Quote: I wonder if I would be the only one to find that such a difference in emphasis doesn´t bring those two statements together very well.

What kind of emphasis are you implying?

I am not a mind reader, so I need you to tell me.

Bush did come off as an **** and that's what those post imply.

Quote: What´s that got to do with Webb´s reaction anyway

Easy....he felt that the president's remark about him not answering the question was uncalled for so he thought about hitting him.

Cause and effect. If Webb thinks that the president didn't come off as an ****, which Bush did, why would he think about hitting him?

Quote: I know your calibre

And I know your's....straw-man extraordinaire.

[leftneckredwing]

Heinz wrote: mODULAR mAN wrote: I bet Bush pee'd his pants. :lol:

I doubt that. Look I think Webb served proudly as a Marine, but wanting to slug teh president is something you should keep to yourself. Not to say that he can't be critical of Bush's policies, after all it is the US, just that he shouldn't openly admit that he wanted to harm another person, especially the president.

When your offspring is a Marine in Iraq, convince me you wouldn't want them home. Right after that convince me that you wouldn't want to slug the person most responsible for putting him there after he just shined you on.

[Timmytour]

Heinz wrote: It was before, as I've always said in this thread, that he didn't initally answer Bush's question, and Bush gave him the correct response

You make the word "initially" all nice and bold here. But I wonder....when you first claimed he didn´t answer the question, did you mention the word or just leave it as if he hadn´t......

Heinz wrote: Timmytour wrote: Errr forgive me for asking but...

Isn´t being tempted to do something on the spur of a moment a million miles away from threatening to do something :?

No.....In the end they could still result in actions opun another person. If Bush would have hit him first, then yes, temptation be damned, and Webb should defend himself. Bush can be an ***hole, if that's what you feel he is, but Webb has to maintain his cool.

He practically admitted that he thought about harming the president.

Even though I know I'll have people murder me on this, I think that George Bush got the upper hand on Webb in this case. Bush was right, even if kind of an ***hole manner, when he said that Webb didn't answer the question; Now that Webb has admitted that he thought about hitting Bush that shows that he may have some anger issues. No matter how you cut it, this is a plus one for Bush.

No you didn´t. Claiming something different after the event I see. :lol:

And perhaps you equate "Bush was right, even if kind of an ***hole manner with the claim...

Heinz wrote: I already said his demeanor was that of an arrogant ***hole when he asked Webb his question.

Was it "kind of" in that manner? Or was it in that manner? You should state which and not beat about the Bush. I think I see another case of claiming something different after the event.

And your calibre? It´s of someone who calls someone else a strawman when he has been putting arguments forward about Bush being right that his question wasn´t answered...when nobody else is debating that irrelevance. :roll:

It´s of someone who say semantics don´t win arguments and then tries to put forward an argument that Bush was right because technically Webb didn´t answer his question :roll:

And of course, from previous history, it´s of someone who finds it apt to put up a picture of a box of tablets for relieving menstrual pain as a means of "debating" a female poster :(

[Heinz]

Quote: When your offspring is a Marine in Iraq, convince me you wouldn't want them home.

I was a British Royal Marine In Iraq before I moved to the US and joined your military and was sent back to Iraq. I have friends in Iraq currently, from both nations, who I want back home. But "I want them home" is not an answer to "how's he doing."

Now convince me that you didn't just make the biggest assumption of your life.

Quote: Right after that convince me that you wouldn't want to slug the person most responsible for putting him there after he just shined you on.

Bush shined Webb? In England "shine" means to literally hit someone.

Also, I never said he couldn't think about hitting them, just said it's not a good PR move to admit you did.

[Heinz]

Quote: And of course, from previous history, it´s of someone who finds it apt to put up a picture of a box of tablets for relieving menstrual pain as a means of "debating" a female poster


Reported....what does this have to do with this thread? I admit that I got carried away in the other thread in which that took place, and I apologize for it, but it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. If you wanted to talk about it, the PM service is a fine way to do so.

Quote: And your calibre? It´s of someone who calls someone else a strawman when he has been putting arguments forward about Bush being right that his question wasn´t answered...when nobody else is debating that irrelevance.

Dookiestix is...... :lol:

As for strawman I call it when I see it.

1) You claimed I said that Webb threatened Bush. That was the OP, not me.

2) You claimed that I siad Bush threatened Webb. Where you got that I'll never know

[flamboyant]

Heinz wrote: Quote: When your offspring is a Marine in Iraq, convince me you wouldn't want them home.

I was a British Royal Marine In Iraq before I moved to the US and joined your military and was sent back to Iraq. I have friends in Iraq currently, from both nations, who I want back home. But "I want them home" is not an answer to "how's he doing."

Now convince me that you didn't just make the biggest assumption of your life.

Quote: Right after that convince me that you wouldn't want to slug the person most responsible for putting him there after he just shined you on.

Bush shined Webb? In England "shine" means to literally hit someone.

Also, I never said he couldn't think about hitting them, just said it's not a good PR move to admit you did.

You've served with both the Brits and the Americans in Iraq? That is a hell of a perspective to bring to this forum and thank you for serving, sir. Have Leftneck and Thrilla put you through the paces yet?

Leftneck - I was kind of waiting to see what you had to say on Webb's response and was not at all surprised to see you viewing it completely from Webb's POV. The way I view it, Webb is a military trained man, he knows exactly how to answer the exact question given by a superior and he was answering a different question than the one just asked by the Commander-in-Chief. He may no longer be serving, but he should have more respect for the president and really, the president responding by saying, "That's not what I asked" is just a factual answer.

Surely Webb couldn't have made it to Secretary of the Navy by treating his superiors like that.

[leftneckredwing]

Heinz wrote: Quote: When your offspring is a Marine in Iraq, convince me you wouldn't want them home.

I was a British Royal Marine In Iraq before I moved to the US and joined your military and was sent back to Iraq. I have friends in Iraq currently, from both nations, who I want back home. But "I want them home" is not an answer to "how's he doing."

Now convince me that you didn't just make the biggest assumption of your life.

Quote: Right after that convince me that you wouldn't want to slug the person most responsible for putting him there after he just shined you on.

Bush shined Webb? In England "shine" means to literally hit someone.

Also, I never said he couldn't think about hitting them, just said it's not a good PR move to admit you did.

Do you have children in Iraq? I have people I know and am even related to in Iraq, but if it was my own, I cannot deny the urge would be greater. I served a tour in RVN. So I do know. What's your MOS?

Over here, shined means you ignored something.

You can get a shiner from being hit. You'll have to learn to speak American English.

I wasn't talking about PR, I was clearly talking about the reality of your personal situation. When it's blood, it's thicker and it can mean more personally.

And who knows, it might end up being the best pr move he ever made.

[Timmytour]

Heinz wrote: Quote: And of course, from previous history, it´s of someone who finds it apt to put up a picture of a box of tablets for relieving menstrual pain as a means of "debating" a female poster


Reported....what does this have to do with this thread? I admit that I got carried away in the other thread in which that took place, and I apologize for it, but it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. If you wanted to talk about it, the PM service is a fine way to do so.



Is this another "after the event claim"? Or do you admit this is your first apology? I can´t see one on the actual thread concerned

A strange time to make it. A strange place to make it in. A strange choice of person to address it to.

I´ve no concerns about the reporting. my conscience is clear. I think the way a person conducts himself on the forum is always relevant, no matter what the thread.Perhaps your reporting might draw a little more attention to the particular case in point then it appeared to have received at the time. In that case I say it would be no bad thing.

[Heinz]

Quote: Is this another "after the event claim"? Or do you admit this is your first apology? I can´t see one on the actual thread concerned

It was resolved VIA pm with a moderator...That's all you need to know.

It's none of your busines..

Quote: I´ve no concerns about the reporting. my conscience is clear. I think the way a person conducts himself on the forum is always relevant, no matter what the thread.

Maybe so, but you can say that without alluding to stuff in threads that have nothing to do with the current one. I pretty much accepted your defeat when you had to rely on personal remarks to make your arguments. Like I said, if it bothered you enough to break the rules you coudl have used the PM service.

Quote: Perhaps your reporting might draw a little more attention to the particular case in point then it appeared to have received at the time. In that case I say it would be no bad thing.

You do know that this site has a PM service? Right?

It's where it belongs, and that means it's none of your business.

Do you want to continue to troll?

[Heinz]

Quote: I have people I know and am even related to in Iraq, but if it was my own, I cannot deny the urge would be greater. I served a tour in RVN. So I do know. What's your MOS?

I am currently a 21B.

Quote: Over here, shined means you ignored something.

I don't think he ignored Webb in the manner you speak. Webb gave an answer and Bush felt that it didn't answer his question and instead it actually looked to deflect the argument to Bush.

Quote: I wasn't talking about PR, I was clearly talking about the reality of your personal situation. When it's blood, it's thicker and it can mean more personally.

I have family in Iraq and I know that one can be a little more touchy when the war comes up; My only argument has been that maybe he should keep it to himself given who he thought about hitting. I wouldn't want Webb to get in trouble, like I think he would, for merely thinking of hitting someone.

Quote: And who knows, it might end up being the best pr move he ever made.

Maybe, but it doesn't make it right. You could say that Hitler's best PR move was to blame his country's problems on the Jewish, but that doesn't make it right.

[flamboyant]

Timmy & Heinz - Personally, I hope there's no moderating needed for either post. Good Lord, I've engaged in some chippy trivial bickering myself on this forum, but you guys are better than this.

[Timmytour]

Heinz wrote:

As for strawman I call it when I see it.

1) You claimed I said that Webb threatened Bush. That was the OP, not me.

2) You claimed that I siad Bush threatened Webb. Where you got that I'll never know

1/ I think you will struggle to find me actually claiming that. Let´s have a quote please.

On the other hand you have been very slow to differentiate between being tempted to do something and actually threatening something.

As I have already pointed out when I asked if there was much of a difference you said no, and you quoted another poster saying there was a difference and relied "duh"

Now what did that response mean if you don´t regard there being a difference?

And if there is no difference, do you think that Webb being tempted to hit Bush was the same as him threatening to? Perhaps I might think you inferred it in the same way as you get the following...

Heinz wrote: Why do you assume that I even liek Bush taht much

What makes you assume that? Was it something I said?

2/ I make no apologies about my low opinion of you, but I do not think you are stupid. I believe you already identified what my quote was inadvertently mixed up..and that it should have actually read....

Quote: Then you say that you never said Webb threated him. Which even if you substitute Bush for Webb as I inadvertenly did, you will note doesn´t quite read how you presented it above.

If you want to make capital out of my mistype then go ahead. I´m sure it will do no harm to the perception of your calibre. :roll:

[sLiPpY]

Webb for President!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:bana: :bana: :bana: :bana: :bana:

[Mr. Sunshine]

Webb is okay. As a Blue dog he is able to keep a handle on acting out with his anger. He serves as an example to the angry left, simultaneously serving as an embarrassment to Conservatives which he represents. 8:)

[Timmytour]

flamboyant wrote: Timmy & Heinz - Personally, I hope there's no moderating needed for either post. Good Lord, I've engaged in some chippy trivial bickering myself on this forum, but you guys are better than this.

Good words flamboyant. I get a little agitated when someone reports me after the way they have behaved. Putting something public on a thread that offends not just the lady concerned but all ladies on the forum is bad enough. Claiming that a private apology via a Moderator is sufficient doesn´t rank too highly in my book either.

I had already called his calibre into question and thought it best to justify it.

That said...you´ll hear no more from me on the matter :wink:

[leftneckredwing]

Heinz wrote: Quote: I have people I know and am even related to in Iraq, but if it was my own, I cannot deny the urge would be greater. I served a tour in RVN. So I do know. What's your MOS?

I am currently a 21B.

Quote: Over here, shined means you ignored something.

I don't think he ignored Webb in the manner you speak. Webb gave an answer and Bush felt that it didn't answer his question and instead it actually looked to deflect the argument to Bush.

Quote: I wasn't talking about PR, I was clearly talking about the reality of your personal situation. When it's blood, it's thicker and it can mean more personally.

I have family in Iraq and I know that oen can be a little more touchy when teh war comes up; My only argument has been that maybe he should keep it to himself given who he thought about hitting. I wouldn't want Webb to get in trouble, like I think he would, for merely thinking of hitting someone.

Quote: And who knows, it might end up being the best pr move he ever made.

Maybe, but it doesn't make it right. You could say that Hitler's best PR move was to blame his country's problems on the Jewish, but that doesn't make it right.

There's an awful lot surrounding the conflict in the ME that isn't right, but it has been done with government approval.

I am right behind Webb. I would have felt exactly the same way. Regardless of protocols and PR.

Having said that, I would never even so much as have an opportunity to say to the President's face what I think. (But I did get to say it to Senator Henry Bellmon once, but he was on my side.)

I was an 11B10P. Thanks for your Service. Welcome to America.

[Heinz]

TimmyTour wrote: I think you will struggle to find me actually claiming that. Let´s have a quote please.

Quote: Heinz wrote: Absolutley true, but he didn't just think it, he said it.

He never said he threatened Bush..he said he was tempted.

You can be arrested for using threatening language...but not for having threatening thoughts.

And neither did I.........

Quote: On the other hand you have been very slow to differentiate between being tempted to do something and actually threatening something.

More personal remarks? Do you have an actual argument to assist you in your tirade?

I know the difference.

Quote: As I have already pointed out when I asked if there was much of a difference you said no, and you quoted another poster saying there was a difference and relied "duh"

They are similiar but not exact. Both imply violence on another.

Thanks for playing.

TimmyTour wrote: What makes you assume that? Was it something I said?

Earlier TimmyTour wrote: Now....shall we list the occasions on which Bush has not answered directly the questions he´has been asked?

And shall we debate on what right the President had to expect an answer to his question anyway?

Why ask me about Bush not directly answering questions if you didn't think that I was somewhat impartial on his behalf? Why would it be important to you?

Quote: If you want to make capital out of my mistype then go ahead. I´m sure it will do no harm to the perception of your calibre.

I asked you if it was a mis-type and you never answered.

Is that your calibre? To ignore?

[Heinz]

Timmytour wrote: flamboyant wrote: Timmy & Heinz - Personally, I hope there's no moderating needed for either post. Good Lord, I've engaged in some chippy trivial bickering myself on this forum, but you guys are better than this.

Good words flamboyant. I get a little agitated when someone reports me after the way they have behaved. Putting something public on a thread that offends not just the lady concerned but all ladies on the forum is bad enough. Claiming that a private apology via a Moderator is sufficient doesn´t rank too highly in my book either.

I had already called his calibre into question and thought it best to justify it.

That said...you´ll hear no more from me on the matter :wink:

How about you STFU?

I've already said it's been dealt with and is none of your frickin' business. If it really bothers you that much that more wasn't done, maybe you should buy this website and then you can call the shots.

[mindwarrior]

Bush may not be popular, but he is the President of the United States. He deserves a certain amount of respect. He asked Webb a question on a personal matter and got a political response, (no doubt for the cameras). The fact that he wanted to "slug the President" shows that he is unfit to hold higher office. Anyone that wants to use physical harm against anyone else in the US government does not belong there. It is a place for intellect and staesmandhip not school yard bullies. I would bet that President Bush could hold his own against Webb in any case. However, you can also be sure the Secret Service would have made Webb regret that error. It is sad to think that a US lawmaker would have feelings like that about our President. Disagreement, yes, but not a vehement feeling of wanting to do physical violence. If he really stated this, he should never have admitted to it.

[leftneckredwing]

This is close to being locked. Knock it off and debate the topic.