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[Lumina]

flamboyant wrote: asainspace wrote: Heinz wrote: mODULAR mAN wrote: I bet Bush pee'd his pants. :lol:

I doubt that. Look I think Webb served proudly as a Marine, but wanting to slug teh president is something you should keep to yourself. Not to say that he can't be critical of Bush's policies, after all it is the US, just that he shouldn't openly admit that he wanted to harm another person, especially the president.

So lets not be really truthful then as politicians and servers of the people?

Why can't he admit his feelings? After all he is a trained Marine?

Threatening the President is against the law. Perhaps a threat to "punch" the president wouldn't be treated as seriously, but a threat to kill the president could wind a person up with serious charges.

Saying you were tempted isn't exactly the same as saying that you plan to, but it's still serious enough where I imagine the Secret Service feels compelled to start up a file and keep their eye on the guy.

Oh, come on.

Webb simply behaved boorishly, and now we all now how (intemperate he can be (not to mention boorish and, well, common). But I'm pretty sure the Secret Service has better to do with its time than pay attention to an ill-bred jerk.

[Dookiestix]

flamboyant wrote: Dookiestix wrote: Heinz wrote: Quote: certainly is.

It certainly is, but it wasn't his initial response to Bush's question.

He initally said that he wanted him home, which didn't answer Bush's question. That's when Bush, and correctly, made the statement that he didn't answer his question.
Webb did. Bush didn't like the answer. And neither did you, obviously...

Answering that you want him home is no answer to how your boy is doing. What part of that don't you get?
Why do you care, other than the fact that you didn't like the answer either?

Bush gets confronted on his policies, and rightwingers on this thread feel the need to point out that Bush didn't get his question answered.

I guarantee you, it won't be the first time Bush didn't hear what he'd like to hear. Get used to it. 8:)

[Heinz]

callous wrote: Heinz wrote: mODULAR mAN wrote: I bet Bush pee'd his pants. :lol:

I doubt that. Look I think Webb served proudly as a Marine, but wanting to slug teh president is something you should keep to yourself. Not to say that he can't be critical of Bush's policies, after all it is the US, just that he shouldn't openly admit that he wanted to harm another person, especially the president.

No, we wouldn't ever want a congressman with balls, that would set a horrible precedent for the American public.

We would absolutley want one with a backbone, but he could have easily have said "George is a son of a b****" and it would have had the same affect.

Quote: Bush gets confronted on his policies, and rightwingers on this thread feel the need to point out that Bush didn't get his question answered.

Again, you assume incoorectly that I am right frickin wing because I loosely have Bush's back in this thread. Get a life. There's more to politics than 100% pro-Bush and 100% anti-Bush.

[callous]

Heinz wrote: callous wrote: Heinz wrote: mODULAR mAN wrote: I bet Bush pee'd his pants. :lol:

I doubt that. Look I think Webb served proudly as a Marine, but wanting to slug teh president is something you should keep to yourself. Not to say that he can't be critical of Bush's policies, after all it is the US, just that he shouldn't openly admit that he wanted to harm another person, especially the president.

No, we wouldn't ever want a congressman with balls, that would set a horrible precedent for the American public.

We would absolutley want one with a backbone, but he could have easily have said "George is a son of a b****" and it would have had the same affect.

Oh I'd say insulting the president offends more people than reacting angrily to a slight against your son whos put his life on the line..........

This guy is well on his way towards making himself a legend in the south.

[Heinz]

mODULAR mAN wrote: Maybe Webb should have just said, "Go f**k yourself."? Seems to work for Cheney.

Better then allowing yourself to be tempted to hti someone who isn't worth it.

[Heinz]

Quote: Oh I'd say insulting the president offends more people than reacting angrily to a slight against your son whos put his life on the line..........

That might be so, but it doesn't make admitting that you thought about hittign someone a good thing. Not saying he can't have daydreams about slugging Bush, but just keep those daydreams exactly that.

[callous]

Heinz wrote: Quote: Oh I'd say insulting the president offends more people than reacting angrily to a slight against your son whos put his life on the line..........

That might be so, but it doesn't make admitting that you thought about hittign someone a good thing. Not saying he can't have daydreams about slugging Bush, but just keep those daydreams exactly that.

:lol: @ pacifism for the sake of arguing

[Heinz]

Quote: Obviously the answer implied that he did not consider his son to be "well"
while still in Iraq.


Semantic don't win arguments. If that was indeed the answer he wished to imply, why did he later say that it was between him and his boy?

[flamboyant]

Lumina wrote: flamboyant wrote: asainspace wrote: Heinz wrote: mODULAR mAN wrote: I bet Bush pee'd his pants. :lol:

I doubt that. Look I think Webb served proudly as a Marine, but wanting to slug teh president is something you should keep to yourself. Not to say that he can't be critical of Bush's policies, after all it is the US, just that he shouldn't openly admit that he wanted to harm another person, especially the president.

So lets not be really truthful then as politicians and servers of the people?

Why can't he admit his feelings? After all he is a trained Marine?

Threatening the President is against the law. Perhaps a threat to "punch" the president wouldn't be treated as seriously, but a threat to kill the president could wind a person up with serious charges.

Saying you were tempted isn't exactly the same as saying that you plan to, but it's still serious enough where I imagine the Secret Service feels compelled to start up a file and keep their eye on the guy.

Oh, come on.

Webb simply behaved boorishly, and now we all now how (intemperate he can be (not to mention boorish and, well, common). But I'm pretty sure the Secret Service has better to do with its time than pay attention to an ill-bred jerk.

I'm totally serious. The Secret Service cannot assume that there's no possibility that part of Webb's intention to run was to get past security and get close enough to the president to kill him.

Webb has already served as Reagan's Secretary of the Navy, so I seriously doubt this guy is anything more than an intemperate, ill-bred jerk (nice choice of words there) but even if it's a very remote possibility that this guy has had some sort of mental breakdown, I don't think the Secret Service would be doing their jobs if they didn't look into his recent behavior and background a bit.

[mODULAR mAN]

I'm going to bet that this little "news" item lasts about 2 more days.

This has got to be the biggest non-issue ever.

[Lumina]

Heinz wrote: Quote: Oh I'd say insulting the president offends more people than reacting angrily to a slight against your son whos put his life on the line..........

That might be so, but it doesn't make admitting that you thought about hittign someone a good thing. Not saying he can't have daydreams about slugging Bush, but just keep those daydreams exactly that.

Exactly. The man is now an elected rep who'll be in the public eye, and his behavior and speech must be judicious.

Besides, there's a time and a place for everything.

[Moracca]

It would have been cool to see the Secret Service shoot the guy afterwards. I mean, they come out in SWAT gear and submachine guns when some leftist nut hops the White House fence. I'd be interested to see if they'd shoot some leftist nut for punching the president.

[Timmytour]

Heinz wrote: Quote: So we´re agreed he did answer his question which is not the impression you tried to leave in your previous post.

Now....shall we list the occasions on which Bush has not answered directly the questions he´has been asked?

Please do. Why do you assume that I even liek Bush taht much? Is it because I loosely defend him in this thread? I already said his demeanor was that of an arrogant ***hole when he asked Webb his question.

Quote: And shall we debate on what right the President had to expect an answer to his question anyway?

He has no right per say, but if asked a question you should try and give an answer for that question.

Starwmanning is not your friend.

First you give the impression that you find threatening to be similar to the admission of being tempted....

Then you say that you never said Bush threated him.

First you say Bush never answered his question

Then, confronted with the truth you admit he answered it eventually, as if the debate was ever about whether or not he answered his question anyway!

First you say...
Quote: Bush was right, even if kind of an ***hole manner, when he said that Webb didn't answer the question

Then you say..

Quote: I already said his demeanor was that of an arrogant ***hole when he asked Webb his question

I wonder if I woulld be the only one to find that such a difference in emphasis doesn´t bring those two statements together very well.

And above all you seem to be the only one trying to make an issue out of whether Bush was right or not for saying Webb didn´t answer his question straight away. What´s that got to do with Webb´s reaction anyway :shock:

I don´t care on whether you support Bush or not. If I think you´re talking BS I´ll come out and say it.

I know your calibre

[beachbum bob]

mODULAR mAN wrote: Maybe Webb should have just said, "Go f**k yourself."? Seems to work for Cheney.

copy-kat

[bla bla]

Heinz wrote: Quote: Obviously the answer implied that he did not consider his son to be "well"
while still in Iraq.


Semantic don't win arguments. If that was indeed the answer he wished to imply, why did he later say that it was between him and his boy?

I didn't see where that was said, but it doesn't matter. Why would he later
let himself be forced to answer the question by someone who just acted
like a posturing politician about an issue regarding his son.

Bush just wanted to prove he can get his way, that's what spoiled children
do, and its how he screwed up the war on terror.

[Swampfox.f]

mODULAR mAN wrote: I bet Bush pee'd his pants. :lol:


Male cheerleaders don't last long in fights. The only thing ol' chicken hawk george is good for is snorting cocaine and taking orders from men with no conciences. He doesn't mind when others do the fighting for him, but damn if he will take a chance to get hurt.


If GWB was anything close to a man he would send his daughters over to support the troops by doing what they do best; sucking and f***ing. :lol:

[flamboyant]

Moracca wrote: It would have been cool to see the Secret Service shoot the guy afterwards. I mean, they come out in SWAT gear and submachine guns when some leftist nut hops the White House fence. I'd be interested to see if they'd shoot some leftist nut for punching the president.

:rofl:

This guy is definitely a clear and present danger to the president and should be treated as such.

[Heinz]

Quote: First you give the impression that you find threatening to be similar to the admission of being tempted....

It is somewhat similiar.

Both are implied word to do harm against another.

Quote: Then you say that you never said Bush threated him.

First you say Bush never answered his question

Do you mean Webb? Bush didn't think about punching anyone, nor did he threaten Webb.

Straighten yourself out before stating things I never said. I'm plenty sure you meant "Webb" instead of "Bush" but I'll ask you to clarify anyway before going on.

Quote: Then, confronted with the truth you admit he answered it eventually, as if the debate was ever about whether or not he answered his question anyway!

When did Bush respond with "You didn't answer my question?" Was it before or after Webb said "That's between me and my boy." It was before, as I've always said in this thread, that he didn't initally answer Bush's question, and Bush gave him the correct response.

Chronology is your friend, but don't let that stop you from straw-manning.

[Heinz]

Quote: Why would he later let himself be forced to answer the question by someone who just acted like a posturing politician about an issue regarding his son.

No answer is better then an answer to another question.

Sometimes saying less is saying more.

Quote: Bush just wanted to prove he can get his way, that's what spoiled children
do, and its how he screwed up the war on terror.

:lol:

Maybe, but he still played it pretty well. After all, who's on the news admitting that they were about to let emotions get the best of them? Bush or Webb?

[callous]

flamboyant wrote: Lumina wrote: flamboyant wrote: asainspace wrote: Heinz wrote: mODULAR mAN wrote: I bet Bush pee'd his pants. :lol:

I doubt that. Look I think Webb served proudly as a Marine, but wanting to slug teh president is something you should keep to yourself. Not to say that he can't be critical of Bush's policies, after all it is the US, just that he shouldn't openly admit that he wanted to harm another person, especially the president.

So lets not be really truthful then as politicians and servers of the people?

Why can't he admit his feelings? After all he is a trained Marine?

Threatening the President is against the law. Perhaps a threat to "punch" the president wouldn't be treated as seriously, but a threat to kill the president could wind a person up with serious charges.

Saying you were tempted isn't exactly the same as saying that you plan to, but it's still serious enough where I imagine the Secret Service feels compelled to start up a file and keep their eye on the guy.

Oh, come on.

Webb simply behaved boorishly, and now we all now how (intemperate he can be (not to mention boorish and, well, common). But I'm pretty sure the Secret Service has better to do with its time than pay attention to an ill-bred jerk.

I'm totally serious. The Secret Service cannot assume that there's no possibility that part of Webb's intention to run was to get past security and get close enough to the president to kill him.

Webb has already served as Reagan's Secretary of the Navy, so I seriously doubt this guy is anything more than an intemperate, ill-bred jerk (nice choice of words there) but even if it's a very remote possibility that this guy has had some sort of mental breakdown, I don't think the Secret Service would be doing their jobs if they didn't look into his recent behavior and background a bit.

you act as if the secret service can't assume the sky exists unless they walk outside and check on it every 5 minutes.

Bush haughtily insulted his son, and that bred an angry response that was artfully withheld until later.

That is called being a caring and responsible human being. Two traits the President happens to lack apparently.