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[Stratovarious]

Bringing back sadam is not the cheapest way, unless you dont shudder at the cost of another hundreds and thousands of lives. The best way: America needs to stay on track and nuetralize the threat in the area, The cheapest way; To allow them to have a democracy but one other than the representative democracy that we are trying to set up. There are other forms of democracy that would be more effective.. its truly a miracle that America has survived as a Rep. Dem. But, no i dont think there are any benefits to giving Iraq back to sadam. Hypothetical or not

[EugenicHegemony]

Kumar wrote: sLiPpY wrote: Kumar wrote: The Comrade wrote: BornedAgainandAgain wrote:

A good percentage of Iraqi people might love that. Those terrible saddam days are looking more and more like the good ole days to them.


mhm.

i bet jews think back on the holocaust as the good 'ole days as well. or russians looking back at those golden years of stalin and the gulags.
Well, actually...

-74% of Russians miss the Soviet Union
-Stalin was voted the fourth greatest man of all time (because he "raised the country")
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20040501facomment83302/richard-pipes/flight-from-freedom-what-russians-think-and-want.html

Stalin is indeed more popular in Russia, than Bush is in America.
It's very likely, mostly from nostalgia. Russians miss their superpower status and want it back. I'd love to see that place fall apart. I hope secession becomes the norm there. Putin's a jagoff, and the next one isn't going to any better. Hell, I'd love to see secession in America. It would be the best thing that could ever happen.

speaking of "gulags": No nation in history has ever incarcerated more of it's own citizens than the U.S..

[Mr. Sunshine]

Commiebastage wrote: This is more of a hypothetical than a realistic possibility, but isn't the best/quickest/cheapest solution to all this...bring back Saddam?

It happens all the time...a dictator leaves, then there is a power vacuum and there are too many voices and different opinions and no one faction can win. Eventually people get frustrated and start fighting, then the "hated" dictator of old comes back, brings everyone together, uses the same method that brought stability before and everything goes back to normal.

Living life hypothetically must be very frustrating. :lol:

[Commiebastage]

The Comrade wrote:
i compared iraqis looking back at saddams ruthless regime and thinking of it as "the good ole days". much in the sense that i bet jews look back on the holocaust with fondness


You've got to be kidding me...

[EugenicHegemony]

Commiebastage wrote: The Comrade wrote:
i compared iraqis looking back at saddams ruthless regime and thinking of it as "the good ole days". much in the sense that i bet jews look back on the holocaust with fondness


You've got to be kidding me... It's called:

Sarcasm

[Commiebastage]

EugenicHegemony wrote: Commiebastage wrote: The Comrade wrote:
i compared iraqis looking back at saddams ruthless regime and thinking of it as "the good ole days". much in the sense that i bet jews look back on the holocaust with fondness


You've got to be kidding me... It's called:

Sarcasm


:lol: ok...didn't think you were crazy...sarcasm doesn't always translate too well into text.

[The American]

EugenicHegemony wrote: Kumar wrote: sLiPpY wrote: Kumar wrote: The Comrade wrote: BornedAgainandAgain wrote:

A good percentage of Iraqi people might love that. Those terrible saddam days are looking more and more like the good ole days to them.


mhm.

i bet jews think back on the holocaust as the good 'ole days as well. or russians looking back at those golden years of stalin and the gulags.
Well, actually...

-74% of Russians miss the Soviet Union
-Stalin was voted the fourth greatest man of all time (because he "raised the country")
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20040501facomment83302/richard-pipes/flight-from-freedom-what-russians-think-and-want.html

Stalin is indeed more popular in Russia, than Bush is in America.
It's very likely, mostly from nostalgia. Russians miss their superpower status and want it back. I'd love to see that place fall apart. I hope secession becomes the norm there. Putin's a jagoff, and the next one isn't going to any better. Hell, I'd love to see secession in America. It would be the best thing that could ever happen.

speaking of "gulags": No nation in history has ever incarcerated more of it's own citizens than the U.S..

Back it up or back out.

[GermanMax]

Stratovarious wrote: Bringing back sadam is not the cheapest way, unless you dont shudder at the cost of another hundreds and thousands of lives. The best way: America needs to stay on track and nuetralize the threat in the area, The cheapest way; To allow them to have a democracy but one other than the representative democracy that we are trying to set up. There are other forms of democracy that would be more effective.. its truly a miracle that America has survived as a Rep. Dem. But, no i dont think there are any benefits to giving Iraq back to sadam. Hypothetical or not

There is absolutely no solution to this problem. Withdrawal would mean total chaos in Iraq, more troops an increase in Terrorist activity and continuous violence.
When do Amerians finally understand that the world doesn't want them to impose their democracy on other countries.

Iraq-another failure America has to live with, another lost war. Nothing learned after the Vietnam war. Good going!

[Spider]

GermanMax wrote: Stratovarious wrote: Bringing back sadam is not the cheapest way, unless you dont shudder at the cost of another hundreds and thousands of lives. The best way: America needs to stay on track and nuetralize the threat in the area, The cheapest way; To allow them to have a democracy but one other than the representative democracy that we are trying to set up. There are other forms of democracy that would be more effective.. its truly a miracle that America has survived as a Rep. Dem. But, no i dont think there are any benefits to giving Iraq back to sadam. Hypothetical or not

There is absolutely no solution to this problem. Withdrawal would mean total chaos in Iraq, more troops an increase in Terrorist activity and continuous violence.
When do Amerians finally understand that the world doesn't want them to impose their democracy on other countries.

Iraq-another failure America has to live with, another lost war. Nothing learned after the Vietnam war. Good going!

Well, as long as were talking about countries losing wars.... :lol:

Anyways, the military campaign in Iraq was a terrific success. Its the occupation that has been extremely nasty. As occupations have been throughout history...pretty predictable, in retrospect.

Nobody asked America (that would be us) if we wanted to impose anything on anyone. The government of the US just went ahead and started a war. Lets at least keep the irrational hatred at a reasonable volume, while we avoid the actual problem to pick on 300 million people.

[JoeBen81]

GermanMax wrote: Stratovarious wrote: Bringing back sadam is not the cheapest way, unless you dont shudder at the cost of another hundreds and thousands of lives. The best way: America needs to stay on track and nuetralize the threat in the area, The cheapest way; To allow them to have a democracy but one other than the representative democracy that we are trying to set up. There are other forms of democracy that would be more effective.. its truly a miracle that America has survived as a Rep. Dem. But, no i dont think there are any benefits to giving Iraq back to sadam. Hypothetical or not

There is absolutely no solution to this problem. Withdrawal would mean total chaos in Iraq, more troops an increase in Terrorist activity and continuous violence.
When do Amerians finally understand that the world doesn't want them to impose their democracy on other countries.

Iraq-another failure America has to live with, another lost war. Nothing learned after the Vietnam war. Good going!

Maybe if you made your font size even bigger, more people would agree.

[GermanMax]

Spider wrote: GermanMax wrote: Stratovarious wrote: Bringing back sadam is not the cheapest way, unless you dont shudder at the cost of another hundreds and thousands of lives. The best way: America needs to stay on track and nuetralize the threat in the area, The cheapest way; To allow them to have a democracy but one other than the representative democracy that we are trying to set up. There are other forms of democracy that would be more effective.. its truly a miracle that America has survived as a Rep. Dem. But, no i dont think there are any benefits to giving Iraq back to sadam. Hypothetical or not

There is absolutely no solution to this problem. Withdrawal would mean total chaos in Iraq, more troops an increase in Terrorist activity and continuous violence.
When do Amerians finally understand that the world doesn't want them to impose their democracy on other countries.

Iraq-another failure America has to live with, another lost war. Nothing learned after the Vietnam war. Good going!

Well, as long as were talking about countries losing wars.... :lol:

Anyways, the military campaign in Iraq was a terrific success. Its the occupation that has been extremely nasty. As occupations have been throughout history...pretty predictable, in retrospect.

Nobody asked America (that would be us) if we wanted to impose anything on anyone. The government of the US just went ahead and started a war. Lets at least keep the irrational hatred at a reasonable volume, while we avoid the actual problem to pick on 300 million people.

Well, I would say America lost as many as Germany (objective in the Koreas wasn't met, objective in Vietnam wasn't met, objective in Iraq wasn't met). Oooops, America lost more wars than Germany. So soooooryy.
There is no hatred, just disbelief and frustration.

[NAB]

JoeBen81 wrote: GermanMax wrote: Stratovarious wrote: Bringing back sadam is not the cheapest way, unless you dont shudder at the cost of another hundreds and thousands of lives. The best way: America needs to stay on track and nuetralize the threat in the area, The cheapest way; To allow them to have a democracy but one other than the representative democracy that we are trying to set up. There are other forms of democracy that would be more effective.. its truly a miracle that America has survived as a Rep. Dem. But, no i dont think there are any benefits to giving Iraq back to sadam. Hypothetical or not

There is absolutely no solution to this problem. Withdrawal would mean total chaos in Iraq, more troops an increase in Terrorist activity and continuous violence.
When do Amerians finally understand that the world doesn't want them to impose their democracy on other countries.

Iraq-another failure America has to live with, another lost war. Nothing learned after the Vietnam war. Good going!

Maybe if you made your font size even bigger, more people would agree.

At least they're hedging their bets by posting the same comment in multiple topics. Quantity has a quality all it's own. :lol:

[JoeBen81]

GermanMax wrote:

Well, I would say America lost as many as Germany (objective in the Koreas wasn't met, objective in Vietnam wasn't met, objective in Iraq wasn't met). Oooops, America lost more wars than Germany. So soooooryy.


I could say the obvious...... but I'll take the high road.

[GermanMax]

NAB wrote: JoeBen81 wrote: GermanMax wrote: Stratovarious wrote: Bringing back sadam is not the cheapest way, unless you dont shudder at the cost of another hundreds and thousands of lives. The best way: America needs to stay on track and nuetralize the threat in the area, The cheapest way; To allow them to have a democracy but one other than the representative democracy that we are trying to set up. There are other forms of democracy that would be more effective.. its truly a miracle that America has survived as a Rep. Dem. But, no i dont think there are any benefits to giving Iraq back to sadam. Hypothetical or not

There is absolutely no solution to this problem. Withdrawal would mean total chaos in Iraq, more troops an increase in Terrorist activity and continuous violence.
When do Amerians finally understand that the world doesn't want them to impose their democracy on other countries.

Iraq-another failure America has to live with, another lost war. Nothing learned after the Vietnam war. Good going!

Maybe if you made your font size even bigger, more people would agree.

At least they're hedging their bets by posting the same comment in multiple topics. Quantity has a quality all it's own. :lol:

Especially when talking to a group of people who lack the ability ro reflect on their own mistakes. :lol: :lol: :lol:

[NAB]

GermanMax wrote:

Especially when talking to a group of people who lack the ability ro reflect on their own mistakes. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Well-reasoned point > copy/pasted rhetoric

[Spider]

JoeBen81 wrote: GermanMax wrote:

Well, I would say America lost as many as Germany (objective in the Koreas wasn't met, objective in Vietnam wasn't met, objective in Iraq wasn't met). Oooops, America lost more wars than Germany. So soooooryy.


I could say the obvious...... but I'll take the high road.

Why bother? I already tried that in other threads...some people are open to reasonable debate...some arent. Some just have some pent up anger they need to spew out all over an internet forum...

[JoeBen81]

NAB wrote: GermanMax wrote:

Especially when talking to a group of people who lack the ability ro reflect on their own mistakes. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Well-reasoned point > copy/pasted rhetoric
Second that.

[Spider]

GermanMax wrote: NAB wrote: JoeBen81 wrote: GermanMax wrote: Stratovarious wrote: Bringing back sadam is not the cheapest way, unless you dont shudder at the cost of another hundreds and thousands of lives. The best way: America needs to stay on track and nuetralize the threat in the area, The cheapest way; To allow them to have a democracy but one other than the representative democracy that we are trying to set up. There are other forms of democracy that would be more effective.. its truly a miracle that America has survived as a Rep. Dem. But, no i dont think there are any benefits to giving Iraq back to sadam. Hypothetical or not

There is absolutely no solution to this problem. Withdrawal would mean total chaos in Iraq, more troops an increase in Terrorist activity and continuous violence.
When do Amerians finally understand that the world doesn't want them to impose their democracy on other countries.

Iraq-another failure America has to live with, another lost war. Nothing learned after the Vietnam war. Good going!

Maybe if you made your font size even bigger, more people would agree.

At least they're hedging their bets by posting the same comment in multiple topics. Quantity has a quality all it's own. :lol:

Especially when talking to a group of people who lack the ability ro reflect on their own mistakes. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Deep down, intellectually, do you honestly believe that group A has more ability to reflect on past mistakes than group B, just because of which set of imaginary lines they were born in?

One thing I am certainly beginning to suspect is that the true feelings of Americans about this war are not being represented overseas..afterall, its much easier to carry on with this fashionable anti-american philosophy if you are led to believe that we are all a bunch of war mongering mindless followers of party lines.

[JoeBen81]

Spider wrote: JoeBen81 wrote: GermanMax wrote:

Well, I would say America lost as many as Germany (objective in the Koreas wasn't met, objective in Vietnam wasn't met, objective in Iraq wasn't met). Oooops, America lost more wars than Germany. So soooooryy.


I could say the obvious...... but I'll take the high road.

Why bother? I already tried that in other threads...some people are open to reasonable debate...some arent. Some just have some pent up anger they need to spew out all over an internet forum...

I think we are all guilty of spewing pent up anger from time to time, expecially when your still in your first 40 posts. Give him a chance, I was the same why at first, and now look at the beautiful flower of political insight that I've become. :-D

[Vexillum]

Spider wrote: One thing I am certainly beginning to suspect is that the true feelings of Americans about this war are not being represented overseas..afterall, its much easier to carry on with this fashionable anti-american philosophy if you are led to believe that we are all a bunch of war mongering mindless followers of party lines.

I think the whole world knows that opposition to the war is why Republicans were booted from control of Congress by the voters.