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[The Comrade]

Vexillum wrote:

You mean like American troops have done?

it's disgusting the spin you put in your posts.



there was a singular incident of that happening. the fact that you are comparing it to saddams massive use of it just shows your bias.

[Kumar]

sLiPpY wrote: Kumar wrote: The Comrade wrote: BornedAgainandAgain wrote:

A good percentage of Iraqi people might love that. Those terrible saddam days are looking more and more like the good ole days to them.


mhm.

i bet jews think back on the holocaust as the good 'ole days as well. or russians looking back at those golden years of stalin and the gulags.
Well, actually...

-74% of Russians miss the Soviet Union
-Stalin was voted the fourth greatest man of all time (because he "raised the country")
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20040501facomment83302/richard-pipes/flight-from-freedom-what-russians-think-and-want.html

Stalin is indeed more popular in Russia, than Bush is in America.
It's very likely, mostly from nostalgia. Russians miss their superpower status and want it back.

[BornedAgainandAgain]

Kumar wrote: sLiPpY wrote: Kumar wrote: The Comrade wrote: BornedAgainandAgain wrote:

A good percentage of Iraqi people might love that. Those terrible saddam days are looking more and more like the good ole days to them.


mhm.

i bet jews think back on the holocaust as the good 'ole days as well. or russians looking back at those golden years of stalin and the gulags.
Well, actually...

-74% of Russians miss the Soviet Union
-Stalin was voted the fourth greatest man of all time (because he "raised the country")
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20040501facomment83302/richard-pipes/flight-from-freedom-what-russians-think-and-want.html

Stalin is indeed more popular in Russia, than Bush is in America.
It's very likely, mostly from nostalgia. Russians miss their superpower status and want it back.

LOL, and the iraqis miss their electricity and want it back

[Commiebastage]

The Comrade wrote: BornedAgainandAgain wrote:

A good percentage of Iraqi people might love that. Those terrible saddam days are looking more and more like the good ole days to them.


mhm.

i bet jews think back on the holocaust as the good 'ole days as well. or russians looking back at those golden years of stalin and the gulags.

Godwin's Law (also Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is a mainstay of Internet culture, an adage formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states:

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

There is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress.

I personally think its a great "law" :)

Comparisons to Nazis or Hitler almost always introduces logical fallacies.

[Timmytour]

The American wrote: Commiebastage wrote: This is more of a hypothetical than a realistic possibility, but isn't the best/quickest/cheapest solution to all this...bring back Saddam?

It happens all the time...a dictator leaves, then there is a power vacuum and there are too many voices and different opinions and no one faction can win. Eventually people get frustrated and start fighting, then the "hated" dictator of old comes back, brings everyone together, uses the same method that brought stability before and everything goes back to normal.

:lol:

It's hard to use any method, if you are dead.

Saddam will be hanged 'by end-January'

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2440186,00.html

But if we are talking about the possibility of him coming back the, for him at least it could be a case of....

....No Noose is Good News !

.....
....
..

Sorry :(

[JoeBen81]

Other than the occaional joke alluding to how we went in there to save these people and now they are alot worse off than before(punchline being bring back Saddam), this idea has garnered more attention than it deserves.

[Commiebastage]

JoeBen81 wrote: Other than the occaional joke alluding to how we went in there to save these people and now they are alot worse off than before(punchline being bring back Saddam), this idea has garnered more attention than it deserves.

We went in there to stabilize the terrorism situation...I don't think we felt Iraq itself was going to attack us, we were afraid of him selling weapons to terrorists or being a safeground for terrorists.

Whether thats your motive of choice, or you enjoy the idea of saving lives and human rights, both have gotten worse since Saddam was supplanted.

Sooo...how is the idea getting more attention than it deserves.

By the way, all this talk of women getting raped, etc, is somewhat insulting because its designed to play on emotions, which is a purposfully false argument because if that were the REAL concern, we'd be intervening with much less expense and much less danger to other places in the world to much greater effect.

[Claudia Schiffer]

Vexillum wrote: Commiebastage wrote: Eventually people get frustrated and start fighting, then the "hated" dictator of old comes back,

I don't think Saddam was half as hated by Iraqis as Americans think. And, what low opinion of Saddam Iraqis had, it wouldn't have been that low if the US had worked constructively with Saddam instead of the US trying to make the Iraqi people suffer and turn against Saddam.

I totaly agree with you here, in fact i think this was all part of the propaganda machine(PNAC etc..)

..ALso i heard that, under Sadaam regime one could fill up his car for $1...but know many people cant even get gaz to heat their homes...Strange behavior for dictator isn't it?...I mean we have plenty of gaz here in Canada and insted of sharing those rescources with the Canadian people they privatise the oil instutry and sold Petro Canada...f***ing bastards!..

Quote: it wouldn't have been that low if the US had worked constructively with Saddam instead of the US trying to make the Iraqi people suffer and turn against Saddam.

I heard they killed more people with the sanction than with the war :shock: ...

[Claudia Schiffer]

Of course Saddam should get back in power because he had nothing to do with 911 and had no WMDs. So yea!, let's fix this and let them find democracy if they want to...

[Ellron]

Commiebastage wrote: This is more of a hypothetical than a realistic possibility, but isn't the best/quickest/cheapest solution to all this...bring back Saddam?

It happens all the time...a dictator leaves, then there is a power vacuum and there are too many voices and different opinions and no one faction can win. Eventually people get frustrated and start fighting, then the "hated" dictator of old comes back, brings everyone together, uses the same method that brought stability before and everything goes back to normal.

O man that would be great!!

That would be like the biggest Punk'd of all time..

YEE Iraqi's!!! Your free from your dicator and we are about to kill him!!!.

HEheheheh. Just joking. You been Punk'd Iraq!

[EugenicHegemony]

Vexillum wrote: Commiebastage wrote: Eventually people get frustrated and start fighting, then the "hated" dictator of old comes back,

I don't think Saddam was half as hated by Iraqis as Americans think. And, what low opinion of Saddam Iraqis had, it wouldn't have been that low if the US had worked constructively with Saddam instead of the US trying to make the Iraqi people suffer and turn against Saddam. It was never about Saddam or the people of that region. It was always about imperialism by the U.S. government. I'm glad that everything over there is falling apart, as it's exactly what this terrorist government deserves for their evil invasions.

[BornedAgainandAgain]

Based on what I have read, news/blog/etc,

Kurds : now better than under saddam
Sunni : now worse than under saddam

not sure about the shiites.

[Commiebastage]

BornedAgainandAgain wrote: Based on what I have read, news/blog/etc,

Kurds : now better than under saddam
Sunni : now worse than under saddam

not sure about the shiites.

They Kurds have all but seperated themselves from the rest of Iraq. Last I heard they were starting to wave their own flag.

[The Comrade]

Commiebastage wrote:
Godwin's Law (also Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is a mainstay of Internet culture, an adage formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states:

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

There is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress.

it wasn't an analogy, and and it was a legitimate comparison.

but hey, trolling is cool i guess.

Commiebastage wrote:

Comparisons to Nazis or Hitler almost always introduces logical fallacies.


apparently you weren't able to spot them.

[Commiebastage]

The Comrade wrote: Commiebastage wrote:
Godwin's Law (also Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies) is a mainstay of Internet culture, an adage formulated by Mike Godwin in 1990. The law states:

"As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one."

There is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress.

it wasn't an analogy, and and it was a legitimate comparison.

but hey, trolling is cool i guess.

Commiebastage wrote:

Comparisons to Nazis or Hitler almost always introduces logical fallacies.


apparently you weren't able to spot them.

You compared Iraqis under saddam to the holocaust? In what way is it similar at all?

[The Comrade]

Commiebastage wrote:

You compared Iraqis under saddam to the holocaust? In what way is it similar at all?


well other then that being completely wrong i suppose you're correct.


i compared iraqis looking back at saddams ruthless regime and thinking of it as "the good ole days". much in the sense that i bet jews look back on the holocaust with fondness or russians look back at the gulags happily.

[The American]

Commiebastage wrote: The American wrote: Commiebastage wrote: This is more of a hypothetical than a realistic possibility, but isn't the best/quickest/cheapest solution to all this...bring back Saddam?

It happens all the time...a dictator leaves, then there is a power vacuum and there are too many voices and different opinions and no one faction can win. Eventually people get frustrated and start fighting, then the "hated" dictator of old comes back, brings everyone together, uses the same method that brought stability before and everything goes back to normal.

:lol:

It's hard to use any method, if you are dead.

Saddam will be hanged 'by end-January'

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2440186,00.html

Well thats obvious, but I'm saying, hypothetically, if he wasn't killed, but instead reinstated.

Now that I have your attention, you have been primed. You stated;

Quote: but isn't the best/quickest/cheapest solution to all this...bring back Saddam?

It happens all the time...a dictator leaves, then there is a power vacuum and there are too many voices and different opinions and no one faction can win. Eventually people get frustrated and start fighting, then the "hated" dictator of old comes back, brings everyone together, uses the same method that brought stability before and everything goes back to normal.

I don't think so. This wasn't hypothetical. It would be no solution, there would be no stability. There was no stability before he was removed. There was however, fear.

Quote:

http://www.emergency.com/hussein1.htm

The Personal History of Saddam Hussein

Even BBC had him pegged, this was before or invasion.

Quote:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/services/copyright/html/default.stm

Saddam Hussein profile

President Saddam Hussein might defend his autocratic style of leadership by arguing that nothing else could have kept such a vast and diverse nation united.

And, for all that Saddam Hussein is criticised and reviled, his opponents have not been able to nominate anyone else who might hold Iraq together - with its Kurds in the north, Sunni Muslims in the centre and Shi'ia in the south. What the outside world calls terror, Saddam calls expediency.

Some years ago a European interviewer nervously quoted reports that the Baghdad authorities might, on occasions, have tortured and perhaps even killed opponents of the regime.

Was this true? Saddam Hussein was not offended. Rather, he seemed surprised by the naivete of the question. "Of course," he replied. "What do you expect if they oppose the regime?"

He insists that the 1991 Gulf War, which he famously described as the Mother-of-All-Battles, ended in victory for Iraq.

By the same token, Saddam boasts that Iraq can shrug off any Western military attack. The Iraqi people have no choice but to nod in agreement.

So it will go on until the moment comes for bombastic slogans to be replaced by a succinct epitaph to one of the most infamous dictators of the century. For the overwhelming majority of Iraqis, that moment can not come too soon.

There is a lot more to be learned. Saddam desired, I don't think so.

[cool_chick]

Republicant wrote:

I think the women forced into the rape rooms definitely disagree.

Just curious. Can you elaborate on these rape rooms? Have you more information on them?

[sLiPpY]

cool_chick wrote: Republicant wrote:

I think the women forced into the rape rooms definitely disagree.

Just curious. Can you elaborate on these rape rooms? Have you more information on them?

state.gov or google "pre-war propaganda" iraq

[cool_chick]

sLiPpY wrote: cool_chick wrote: Republicant wrote:

I think the women forced into the rape rooms definitely disagree.

Just curious. Can you elaborate on these rape rooms? Have you more information on them?

state.gov or google "pre-war propaganda" iraq

Ok, I looked at state.gov, and didn't find much information. However, I found this:

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/64497.pdf

It appears it's very bad for woman in Iraq now. Way worse than under the Ba'athist regime. :(

Why do people think women have it better there now when all reports indicate it's extremely dangerous and unsafe for all women today, which was not quite the case before, rather, it's stated the secular country at that time was one of the more "progressive" towards women as compared to the Middle East?

Back to my question, do you or Republicant have other information with regard to these "rape rooms?" Any specific data? I always hear this term to describe Saddam's Iraq, but never heard any sort of details about them......