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[Commiebastage]

This is more of a hypothetical than a realistic possibility, but isn't the best/quickest/cheapest solution to all this...bring back Saddam?

It happens all the time...a dictator leaves, then there is a power vacuum and there are too many voices and different opinions and no one faction can win. Eventually people get frustrated and start fighting, then the "hated" dictator of old comes back, brings everyone together, uses the same method that brought stability before and everything goes back to normal.

[Vexillum]

Commiebastage wrote: Eventually people get frustrated and start fighting, then the "hated" dictator of old comes back,

I don't think Saddam was half as hated by Iraqis as Americans think. And, what low opinion of Saddam Iraqis had, it wouldn't have been that low if the US had worked constructively with Saddam instead of the US trying to make the Iraqi people suffer and turn against Saddam.

[Dookiestix]

It'll never happen. Pandora's Box, which Saddam kept a lid on for much of his rule, has already been torn apart. We've completely gotten rid of his Republican Guard, and allowed a power vacuum to unfold which has completely changed the dynamic on the ground prior to our invasion.

It's a pipedream, nothing more. But then again... :think:

[Republicant]

Vexillum wrote: Commiebastage wrote: Eventually people get frustrated and start fighting, then the "hated" dictator of old comes back,

I don't think Saddam was half as hated by Iraqis as Americans think. And, what low opinion of Saddam Iraqis had, it wouldn't have been that low if the US had worked constructively with Saddam instead of the US trying to make the Iraqi people suffer and turn against Saddam.

I think the 200,000 dead buried in mass grave sites disagree .

I think any woman with even the slightest bit of common sense disagrees.

I think the women forced into the rape rooms definitely disagree.

I think those mauled by his sons Tigers disagree.

I think a purely evil dictator is never a good option regardless of how cheap or easy something would be .

FREEDOM ISN'T FREE ! Just because people more honorable than ourselves handed us freedom doesn't mean we should take that for granted .

[Nine_Enigmas]

You forget, Saddam has done just that in the past.

He escaped a death sentence, went into exile then returned, consolidating power in bloody purges.

I think it's more than just a remote possibility: If given the opportunity, I think Saddam would escape into exile, and then attempt to rebuild his power base.

Hopefully, he is more secure than he was the first time he faced the death penalty - because make no mistake, he is neither stupid nor gentle. He is an intelligent, ruthless despot, and the means he would use to subdue the warring factions and reestablish authority would make the present conflict look like tea time.

[Commiebastage]

Republicant wrote: Vexillum wrote: Commiebastage wrote: Eventually people get frustrated and start fighting, then the "hated" dictator of old comes back,

I don't think Saddam was half as hated by Iraqis as Americans think. And, what low opinion of Saddam Iraqis had, it wouldn't have been that low if the US had worked constructively with Saddam instead of the US trying to make the Iraqi people suffer and turn against Saddam.

I think the 200,000 dead buried in mass grave sites disagree .

I think any woman with even the slightest bit of common sense disagrees.

I think the women forced into the rape rooms definitely disagree.

I think those mauled by his sons Tigers disagree.

I think a purely evil dictator is never a good option regardless of how cheap or easy something would be .

FREEDOM ISN'T FREE ! Just because people more honorable than ourselves handed us freedom doesn't mean we should take that for granted .


What are the casualties of this "freedom" we've given them?

Do all their women have the same "women's rights" ideas that we do? Their culture is different, why do you assume they all want American lifestyle?

Lots of bad things happened, but...even more bad things are happening with "freedom". And doesn't your definition of fighting for freedom involve fighting your oppressor? Whos the oppressor here? Its a civil war. Edit: Now that I think about it, a lot of them would consider US the oppressor here.

[The Comrade]

Vexillum wrote: Commiebastage wrote: Eventually people get frustrated and start fighting, then the "hated" dictator of old comes back,

I don't think Saddam was half as hated by Iraqis as Americans think.


yeah i'm sure they loved torture, rape, genocide, public executions, secret police, constant fear, and no freedom.


i mean who wouldn't want that?

[Chymical]

The Comrade wrote:
yeah i'm sure they loved torture, rape, genocide, public executions, secret police, constant fear, and no freedom.


i mean who wouldn't want that?

Americans? :lol:

[indieinmich]

No chance for Saddam.But some other dictator hand picked by the US government is certainly a possibility,

[The American]

Commiebastage wrote: This is more of a hypothetical than a realistic possibility, but isn't the best/quickest/cheapest solution to all this...bring back Saddam?

It happens all the time...a dictator leaves, then there is a power vacuum and there are too many voices and different opinions and no one faction can win. Eventually people get frustrated and start fighting, then the "hated" dictator of old comes back, brings everyone together, uses the same method that brought stability before and everything goes back to normal.

:lol:

It's hard to use any method, if you are dead.

Saddam will be hanged 'by end-January'

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2440186,00.html

[Commiebastage]

The American wrote: Commiebastage wrote: This is more of a hypothetical than a realistic possibility, but isn't the best/quickest/cheapest solution to all this...bring back Saddam?

It happens all the time...a dictator leaves, then there is a power vacuum and there are too many voices and different opinions and no one faction can win. Eventually people get frustrated and start fighting, then the "hated" dictator of old comes back, brings everyone together, uses the same method that brought stability before and everything goes back to normal.

:lol:

It's hard to use any method, if you are dead.

Saddam will be hanged 'by end-January'

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2440186,00.html

Well thats obvious, but I'm saying, hypothetically, if he wasn't killed, but instead reinstated.

[Vexillum]

Republicant wrote: I think a purely evil dictator is never a good option regardless of how cheap or easy something would be .

A smart person doesn't confuse propaganda with reality. The reality is that those who weren't trying to cause trouble for Saddam were left alone. And, women had it far better in Iraq than in many Arab countries.

[Ozzone]

Giving Iraq back to Saddam?

France would love that.

[The Comrade]

Vexillum wrote: A smart person doesn't confuse propaganda with reality. The reality is that those who weren't trying to cause trouble for Saddam were left alone. And, women had it far better in Iraq than in many Arab countries.


Excuse me?


people were dragged out of their homes and shot or taken off to torture chambers for absolutely no reason at all.

[BornedAgainandAgain]

Ozzone wrote: Giving Iraq back to Saddam?

France would love that.

A good percentage of Iraqi people might love that. Those terrible saddam days are looking more and more like the good ole days to them.

[The Comrade]

BornedAgainandAgain wrote:

A good percentage of Iraqi people might love that. Those terrible saddam days are looking more and more like the good ole days to them.


mhm.

i bet jews think back on the holocaust as the good 'ole days as well. or russians looking back at those golden years of stalin and the gulags.

[Kumar]

The Comrade wrote: BornedAgainandAgain wrote:

A good percentage of Iraqi people might love that. Those terrible saddam days are looking more and more like the good ole days to them.


mhm.

i bet jews think back on the holocaust as the good 'ole days as well. or russians looking back at those golden years of stalin and the gulags.
Well, actually...

-74% of Russians miss the Soviet Union
-Stalin was voted the fourth greatest man of all time (because he "raised the country")
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20040501facomment83302/richard-pipes/flight-from-freedom-what-russians-think-and-want.html

[sLiPpY]

Kumar wrote: The Comrade wrote: BornedAgainandAgain wrote:

A good percentage of Iraqi people might love that. Those terrible saddam days are looking more and more like the good ole days to them.


mhm.

i bet jews think back on the holocaust as the good 'ole days as well. or russians looking back at those golden years of stalin and the gulags.
Well, actually...

-74% of Russians miss the Soviet Union
-Stalin was voted the fourth greatest man of all time (because he "raised the country")
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20040501facomment83302/richard-pipes/flight-from-freedom-what-russians-think-and-want.html

Stalin is indeed more popular in Russia, than Bush is in America.

[BornedAgainandAgain]

sLiPpY wrote: Kumar wrote: The Comrade wrote: BornedAgainandAgain wrote:

A good percentage of Iraqi people might love that. Those terrible saddam days are looking more and more like the good ole days to them.


mhm.

i bet jews think back on the holocaust as the good 'ole days as well. or russians looking back at those golden years of stalin and the gulags.
Well, actually...

-74% of Russians miss the Soviet Union
-Stalin was voted the fourth greatest man of all time (because he "raised the country")
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20040501facomment83302/richard-pipes/flight-from-freedom-what-russians-think-and-want.html

Stalin is indeed more popular in Russia, than Bush is in America.

Don't be too surprised if the current course is stayed for another 2 years, Iraqis will be demanding to have saddam back.

[Vexillum]

The Comrade wrote: people were dragged out of their homes and shot or taken off to torture chambers for absolutely no reason at all.

You mean like American troops have done?