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Nathyn · Joined: 25 Sep 2005 Posts: 7341 Location: The Great Satan

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/27/AR2006112701315.html

Quote: 'Nativity' Booted From Ill. Holiday Fair

CHICAGO -- A public Christmas festival is no place for the Christmas story, the city says. Officials have asked organizers of a downtown Christmas festival, the German Christkindlmarket, to reconsider using a movie studio as a sponsor because it is worried ads for its film "The Nativity Story" might offend non-Christians.

New Line Cinema, which said it was dropped, had planned to play a loop of the new film on televisions at the event. The decision had both the studio and a prominent Christian group shaking their heads.

"The last time I checked, the first six letters of Christmas still spell out Christ," said Paul Braoudakis, spokesman for the Barrington, Ill.-based Willow Creek Association, a group of more than 11,000 churches of various denominations. "It's tantamount to celebrating Lincoln's birthday without talking about Abraham Lincoln."

He also said that there is a nativity scene in Daley Plaza _ and that some vendors at the festival sell items related to the nativity.

The city does not want to appear to endorse one religion over another, said Cindy Gatziolis, a spokeswoman for the Mayor's Office of Special Events. She acknowledged there is a nativity scene, but also said there will be representations of other faiths, including a Jewish menorah, all put up by private groups. She stressed that the city did not order organizers to drop the studio as a sponsor.

"Our guidance was that this very prominently placed advertisement would not only be insensitive to the many people of different faiths who come to enjoy the market for its food and unique gifts, but also it would be contrary to acceptable advertising standards suggested to the many festivals holding events on Daley Plaza," Jim Law, executive director of the office, said in a statement.

Officials with the German American Chamber of Commerce of the Midwest, which has organized the event for several years, did not immediately return calls for comment. The festival started Thursday.

An executive vice president with New Line Cinema, Christina Kounelias, said the studio's plan to spend $12,000 in Chicago was part of an advertising campaign around the country. Kounelias said that as far as she knew, the Chicago festival was the only instance where the studio was turned down.

Kounelias said she finds it hard to believe that non-Christians who attended something called Christkindlmarket would be surprised or offended by the presence of posters, brochures and other advertisements of the movie.

"One would assume that if (people) were to go to Christkindlmarket, they'd know it is about Christmas," she said.
I'm offended by the fact that this private business, Christkindlmarket, voluntarily decided to drop New Line Cinema for advertising a Christianity-related movie. They have no right. This nation was founded upon intolerance, anti-secularism, and opposition to individual freedom; Christian values. Back in the 18th century, if anybody proposed legalization of smut or gay marriage, they'd put them in one of these for a day or two...

...and people would throw fruit at them until they saw the errors of their reasoning. I miss the time when everyone would say, "Merry Christmas," instead of "Happy Holidays," as if there were other notable holidays around late December and early January besides Christmas. I actually heard from one friend of mine that walked into a Chinese restaurant on Christmas and they said, "Happy Hannukah," can you believe that?

Some have argued that the "War on Christmas," is based upon anecdotal evidence, that some alleged claims are even blatantly false, and that the debate isn't really even that important, either way. It's all just Atheists taking symbols of Christianity too seriously and Christians taking Atheist activists too seriously, that by even dragging out the debate it offers greater credibility to both extreme sides of the argument.

I think those who share that view are simply being deceived by Satan.

And even though Jesus wasn't really born in December, in fact, we don't even know what year he was born or, according to mainstream historians, if he ever even was born at all, Christmas is still an important tradition -- by that, I mean it's a good excuse to give Atheism a nice sucker-punch to the soul. Liberals, today, have ruined that tradition for Evangelical Christians and they continue to ruin it by trying to establish this country as the United States of Atheism-ica.

You can tell your children: Santa isn't coming this year. Because Liberals think it's better for the government to hand out gifts than the private market, so they taxed him into poverty, forced him to give his reindeer equal rights, got the elves to unionize, and put Santa out of business.

JoeBen81 · Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 4157

Happy holidays!

ontheyslay · Joined: 26 Oct 2006 Posts: 274 Location: Michigan

Not the war on christmas again :roll:

JoeBen81 · Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 4157

Be on the look out for Satan!!!!!

Mr. Sunshine · Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 1324

When does the War on Liberalism start? It seems there is a War on Everything. :lol:

Gdawg007 · Joined: 06 Jul 2004 Posts: 14346 Location: Albuquerque, NM

Mr. Sunshine wrote: When does the War on Liberalism start? It seems there is a War on Everything. :lol:

It's been going on since at least the 1940's.

Not the Christmas thing again. This was a city asking a private company to drop sponsership to avoid offending people. The city didn't force anyone to do it.

Christmas may be a Christian holiday, but it's not the only one celebrated this time of year. There's Haunakah, Kwanza, New Year's and probably others. I realize Christmas is the largest, but to someone, all or some of these other holidays are bigger to them than Christmas so if Wal-Mart wants to make its employees say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas, so be it. If certain local gov't's prefer to say Happy Holidays, then so be it. I don't care what people say frankly, and I really hope this doesn't get made into a huge deal again like last year, though I did find Stewart's retorts to Bill O'Reilly hillarious.

Nathyn · Joined: 25 Sep 2005 Posts: 7341 Location: The Great Satan

JoeBen81 wrote: Be on the look out for Satan!!!!!

Can anybody here tell me who actually wrote the song, "Peace On Earth"?

No?

Then how do you know it wasn't Satan? Songs don't exactly just write themselves!

Nathyn · Joined: 25 Sep 2005 Posts: 7341 Location: The Great Satan

Gdawg007 wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: When does the War on Liberalism start? It seems there is a War on Everything. :lol:

It's been going on since at least the 1940's.

Not the Christmas thing again. This was a city asking a private company to drop sponsership to avoid offending people. The city didn't force anyone to do it.

Christmas may be a Christian holiday, but it's not the only one celebrated this time of year. There's Haunakah, Kwanza, New Year's and probably others. I realize Christmas is the largest, but to someone, all or some of these other holidays are bigger to them than Christmas so if Wal-Mart wants to make its employees say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas, so be it. If certain local gov't's prefer to say Happy Holidays, then so be it. I don't care what people say frankly, and I really hope this doesn't get made into a huge deal again like last year, though I did find Stewart's retorts to Bill O'Reilly hillarious.
Actually, on a serious note, I honestly think that Kwanzaa was invented by the FBI. I'll start a thread in Alternate Theories about it.

EDIT:

Actually, I looked and can't find any credible source for it other than claims made by an Ann Coulter column and a bunch of right-wing racists. Oh well.

JoeBen81 · Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 4157

This country needs a "War on Stupidity."

I suspect both Dem and Repub casulties.

Mr. Sunshine · Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 1324

Gdawg007 wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: When does the War on Liberalism start? It seems there is a War on Everything. :lol:

It's been going on since at least the 1940's.

Not the Christmas thing again. This was a city asking a private company to drop sponsership to avoid offending people. The city didn't force anyone to do it.

Christmas may be a Christian holiday, but it's not the only one celebrated this time of year. There's Haunakah, Kwanza, New Year's and probably others. I realize Christmas is the largest, but to someone, all or some of these other holidays are bigger to them than Christmas so if Wal-Mart wants to make its employees say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas, so be it. If certain local gov't's prefer to say Happy Holidays, then so be it. I don't care what people say frankly, and I really hope this doesn't get made into a huge deal again like last year, though I did find Stewart's retorts to Bill O'Reilly hillarious.

We need as much good will as possible in this country. As long as people don't have to say Happy Holidays and not say Merry Christmas, there should be no problem. I think Walmart shoppers want to hear Merry Christmas and Walmart management wants to here the cha-ching of the cash registers. This is being used by both sides to pander to their respective market segments, political or otherwise, IMHO. Merry Holidays to all. 8:)

NAB · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:40 pm Post subject:

JoeBen81 wrote: This country needs a "War on Stupidity."

I suspect both Dem and Repub casulties.

meh. Everyone knows when you declare war on an abstract idea or entity, you are destined for disaster.....

Revenant · Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 15852 Location: Bliss

Gdawg007 wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: When does the War on Liberalism start? It seems there is a War on Everything. :lol:

It's been going on since at least the 1940's.

Not the Christmas thing again. This was a city asking a private company to drop sponsership to avoid offending people. The city didn't force anyone to do it.

Christmas may be a Christian holiday, but it's not the only one celebrated this time of year. There's Haunakah, Kwanza, New Year's and probably others. I realize Christmas is the largest, but to someone, all or some of these other holidays are bigger to them than Christmas so if Wal-Mart wants to make its employees say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas, so be it. If certain local gov't's prefer to say Happy Holidays, then so be it. I don't care what people say frankly, and I really hope this doesn't get made into a huge deal again like last year, though I did find Stewart's retorts to Bill O'Reilly hillarious.

Maybe New Deal liberalism.....which could be described as an eclectic mix of socialism and fascism.

JoeBen81 · Joined: 13 Jun 2006 Posts: 4157

NAB wrote: JoeBen81 wrote: This country needs a "War on Stupidity."

I suspect both Dem and Repub casulties.

meh. Everyone knows when you declare war on an abstract idea or entity, you are destined for disaster.....
Well I can think of a coulpe people who didn't get the memo.

Dookiestix · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:50 pm Post subject:

All of us at the F.B.I. would like to wish all of you a very

Happy Kwazaa!

Revenant · Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 15852 Location: Bliss

Dookiestix wrote:

All of us at the F.B.I. would like to wish all of you a very

Happy Kwazaa!

To this day I have not met a single person who celebrates Kwanza.

Gdawg007 · Joined: 06 Jul 2004 Posts: 14346 Location: Albuquerque, NM

Revenant wrote: Gdawg007 wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: When does the War on Liberalism start? It seems there is a War on Everything. :lol:

It's been going on since at least the 1940's.

Not the Christmas thing again. This was a city asking a private company to drop sponsership to avoid offending people. The city didn't force anyone to do it.

Christmas may be a Christian holiday, but it's not the only one celebrated this time of year. There's Haunakah, Kwanza, New Year's and probably others. I realize Christmas is the largest, but to someone, all or some of these other holidays are bigger to them than Christmas so if Wal-Mart wants to make its employees say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas, so be it. If certain local gov't's prefer to say Happy Holidays, then so be it. I don't care what people say frankly, and I really hope this doesn't get made into a huge deal again like last year, though I did find Stewart's retorts to Bill O'Reilly hillarious.

Maybe New Deal liberalism.....which could be described as an eclectic mix of socialism and fascism.

No, it could not be described at all as fascism. And ALL gov't is a form of socialism, so while accurate, the New Deal is no more socialist a program than a military that is paid for by all of us unequally and used by all of us equally. The surviving New Deal programs fixed the problems America faced. From that standpoint, they were a complete success.

Anyway, this is about the war on Christmas, not social security and other such programs.

Gdawg007 · Joined: 06 Jul 2004 Posts: 14346 Location: Albuquerque, NM

Mr. Sunshine wrote: Gdawg007 wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: When does the War on Liberalism start? It seems there is a War on Everything. :lol:

It's been going on since at least the 1940's.

Not the Christmas thing again. This was a city asking a private company to drop sponsership to avoid offending people. The city didn't force anyone to do it.

Christmas may be a Christian holiday, but it's not the only one celebrated this time of year. There's Haunakah, Kwanza, New Year's and probably others. I realize Christmas is the largest, but to someone, all or some of these other holidays are bigger to them than Christmas so if Wal-Mart wants to make its employees say Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas, so be it. If certain local gov't's prefer to say Happy Holidays, then so be it. I don't care what people say frankly, and I really hope this doesn't get made into a huge deal again like last year, though I did find Stewart's retorts to Bill O'Reilly hillarious.

We need as much good will as possible in this country. As long as people don't have to say Happy Holidays and not say Merry Christmas, there should be no problem. I think Walmart shoppers want to hear Merry Christmas and Walmart management wants to here the cha-ching of the cash registers. This is being used by both sides to pander to their respective market segments, political or otherwise, IMHO. Merry Holidays to all. 8:)

I think if most of Wal-Mart customers wanted to hear Merry Christmas, Wal-Mart would instruct its employees to say that. Wal-Mart doesn't survive as a major retailer without knowing its customers. Again, the only people being "forced" to say Happy Holidays are those working for someone else. If you work for Wal-Mart, you say what managment tells you to say. That doesn't violate your rights as you can quit and work for someone else who lets you say Merry Christmas if you so desire. I agree, it's just a stupid political bambi issue.

Deemoore · Joined: 30 Oct 2004 Posts: 2420

Revenant wrote: Dookiestix wrote:

All of us at the F.B.I. would like to wish all of you a very

Happy Kwazaa!

To this day I have not met a single person who celebrates Kwanza.

And so the war on Kwanza begins ...

Nathyn · Joined: 25 Sep 2005 Posts: 7341 Location: The Great Satan

Revenant wrote: Dookiestix wrote:

All of us at the F.B.I. would like to wish all of you a very

Happy Kwazaa!

To this day I have not met a single person who celebrates Kwanza.
Google for "black nationalist forum"

micfranklin · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 3:45 pm Post subject:

Mr. Sunshine wrote: When does the War on Liberalism start? It seems there is a War on Everything. :lol:

There's no War on Stupidity, the one war we need to win.