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The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

foadi wrote: there are a bunch of women in the idf i would love to meet in a dark alley.

if only superskippy was a hawt female soldier....

thundertaker · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: Fighting Style

Tono wrote: thundertaker wrote: It's called training for the worst possible scenario.......

Meanwhile, the most likely scenario is being overlooked. Most fights are one on one. On top of that, one if not both people fighting are more interested in impressing someone than actually fighting. And yes, they usually end up on the ground at one point or another.

Being pinned on your back while someone pounds your face into hamburger is no better or worse than having your face pounded into hamburger by a group of people. There is no worst scenario. Only good scenarios and bad ones. Ending up on your back in a fight when you don't know how to defend yourself would fall into the "bad" category.

We train in ground fighting as well, perhaps not to the obsessive degree as a BJJ practicioner, but you are basically training as a 'sports fighter' for 1-1 situations were there are rules, time-outs etc. That's great if you want to train to be a contender for the UFC championship, not so handy on the street were the situation is more variable.
If you were cornered by a gang of steamers, possibly armed, who wanted to administer a proper shoeing to your face before relieving you of your wallet, you would wish you had learned tactics that were a little bit more flexible than ones designed purely for one on one encounters.......

Tono · Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 11742 Location: Mounted

thundertaker wrote: We train in ground fighting as well, perhaps not to the obsessive degree as a BJJ practicioner, but you are basically training as a 'sports fighter' for 1-1 situations were there are rules, time-outs etc.
That's great if you want to train to be a contender for the UFC championship, not so handy on the street were the situation is more variable.

I've been in dozens of street fights. No rules. No timeouts. People on the street decide for themselves how lethal the fight becomes. Like I said, most fights are for macho points. Usually because someone let his mouth get the best of him.

thundertaker wrote: If you were cornered by a group of thugs, possibly armed, who wanted to administer a proper shoeing to your face, you would wish you had learned tactics that were a little bit more flexible than ones designed purely for one on one encounters.......

For sure. But who's ever been cornered by a group of thugs, possibly armed, who wanted to administer a proper shoing to your face? You should also consider the fact that they won't wait for you while you put on your gi, nor will they position themselves properly so you can put what you learned into practice. Considering you're more likely to be in a one on one fight, which should you spend the most time in preparation?

If you practice faking a move, or going soft on a move, you become really good at faking or going soft on that move. Tell me again how that helps when you're no longer faking or going soft.

Tono · Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 11742 Location: Mounted

foadi wrote: there are a bunch of women in the idf i would love to meet in a dark alley.

Tongue fu would work well.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 8672 Location: Petah Tikva

Quote: if only superskippy was a hawt female soldier....

Comrade I consider you a friend, but for god sakes dont ever think along those lines again please. "shudders"

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 12039 Location: Zagreb

superskippy wrote:
Comrade I consider you a friend, but for god sakes dont ever think along those lines again please. "shudders"

was i thinking out loud again? :lol:

i wuv u skippy

platonically, of course

micfranklin · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:18 pm Post subject:

Two punches to the face (since the first is usually pretty lazy) and then a headbutt.

If it gets any more serious, then I give 'em a good swift kick.

emerald · Joined: 05 Apr 2005 Posts: 8052 Location: uk

i know some self defence from when i was in high school.........i've never had the pleasure of actually using any of the stuff i learnt...most of it was pretty common sense though........

Kumar · Joined: 21 Jul 2004 Posts: 16292 Location: Prague

Anything it takes to win.

Numb · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 273

Go for the eyes.

The Central Scrutinizer · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject:

foadi wrote: The Comrade wrote: superskippy wrote: A lot of close combat enthusiasts eh? :lol: I learned Krav Maga at a standard degree but I dont claim to be any great practitioner of it. Not by a long shot.

having just looked up what krav maga is, i never ever want to meet you in a dark alley.
there are a bunch of women in the idf i would love to meet in a dark alley.

Hot.

Saracen · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 16431 Location: On Earth

Even a pacifist has a fighting style. I have Tae Kwon Do, but I've also learned a bit of sword-fighting along the way.

mojo · Joined: 08 Sep 2005 Posts: 5537 Location: Dreamland, NC

A gun usually does the trick.

TheGirlNextDoor · Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Posts: 22608

mojo wrote: A gun usually does the trick.

:tu:

eynon · Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:37 am Post subject:

foadi wrote: The Comrade wrote: superskippy wrote: A lot of close combat enthusiasts eh? :lol: I learned Krav Maga at a standard degree but I dont claim to be any great practitioner of it. Not by a long shot.

having just looked up what krav maga is, i never ever want to meet you in a dark alley.
there are a bunch of women in the idf i would love to meet in a dark alley.

:shock: It's my best friend's little sister..........

eynon · Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 1:44 am Post subject: Re: Fighting Style

Tono wrote: I've been in dozens of street fights. No rules. No timeouts. People on the street decide for themselves how lethal the fight becomes. Like I said, most fights are for macho points. Usually because someone let his mouth get the best of him.

why do people in your state fight so much? everyone I've ever met from Hawaii had been in more brawls..........is it a pineapple thing?

bigstick61 · Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 2:54 am Post subject:

Muy Thai combined with some military unarmed combat training. I also know how to fence and shoot.

Tono · Joined: 23 Jan 2005 Posts: 11742 Location: Mounted

I'm not sure, but I think it's a combination of two facts.

1. We don't carry guns. People are more likely to escalate a conflict if they are reasonably sure they'll live through it.

2. Asians are the majority here. Their influence is set into our culture. Most kids grow up training judo, karate, or kung fu.

eynon · Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 3:26 am Post subject:

Tono wrote: I'm not sure, but I think it's a combination of two facts.

1. We don't carry guns. People are more likely to escalate a conflict if they are reasonably sure they'll live through it.

2. Asians are the majority here. Their influence is set into our culture. Most kids grow up training judo, karate, or kung fu.

makes sense.......I was in like 2 fights before I lived in China(boxing aside), in the 1 year I lived over there I think I was in like 8......no gun+lottsa asians=fist-fights.........

thundertaker · Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 7:32 am Post subject: Re: Fighting Style

Tono wrote:

I've been in dozens of street fights. No rules. No timeouts. People on the street decide for themselves how lethal the fight becomes. Like I said, most fights are for macho points. Usually because someone let his mouth get the best of him.

These aren't really the fights you have to worry about though. Those types of fights are mainly about pride. Not to say we can't handle them either, but they are not the sole focus of our training in the way they are for more 'sporty' martial arts like BJJ.
A lot of our members are coppers who have to use Jitsu on a fairly regular basis. One of my instructors is a Bobby and a second dan, he has often been attacked by several people at once, sometimes armed, and had to deal with the situation.
On one occasion, he had a suspect pinned up against a wall, and another suspect came up behind him and stabbed him underneath his vest. He then had to deal with two people, one of them armed, and from opposing angles.
Needless to say, he came out on top eventually, despite being wounded.
If his fighting skills had been limited to being able to take down one opponent at a time and get them in a groundhold, he would have been pretty f****d don't you think?

Quote:

For sure. But who's ever been cornered by a group of thugs, possibly armed, who wanted to administer a proper shoing to your face? You should also consider the fact that they won't wait for you while you put on your gi, nor will they position themselves properly so you can put what you learned into practice. Considering you're more likely to be in a one on one fight, which should you spend the most time in preparation?

We don't train to fight in our gis. We train to deal with a threat as quickly as possible so that we can be ready for the next one.

Quote: If you practice faking a move, or going soft on a move, you become really good at faking or going soft on that move. Tell me again how that helps when you're no longer faking or going soft.

At the end of the day, I'm not training to be able to take on Chuck Norris in single combat, I'm training to be able to take on the most important scenario, that of a scally, possibly with his mates, wanting to mug me, or simply beat the living daylights out of me for the fun of it.
A man was beaten to death on campus by such a gang only a few hundred yards from were I live, so this situation is not exactly unheard of.
Training to be able to defend yourself in Shorinji Kan is a long-term process, it will probably take you at least a year to be able to start applying the principles you learn into being able to defend yourself.
For example, you have to learn how to able to flip out of a wristlock, so that the tori can apply a wristlock in full without breaking the uki's wrist.
They also need to know how to breakfall, so that we can put them on the ground without destroying them.
Your average muppet isn't going to know how to breakfall or flip out of a wristlock, so they will end up worse off.
Being attacked by people who are armed or in groups is the most dangerous scenario you are likely to face. Does it not make sense to train for that as well?