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[sLiPpY]

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The greatest gift Jimmy Carter gave this nation, was a comprehensive Energy program and policy with a focus on future security. What was one of the things that Ronald Reagan did during his first 100 days? Gut the energy programs, effectively making the US less secure for the future.

Carter was a visionary in this regard, and I'd like to point out...that even though the United States failed to learn the lessons of the 1979 oil crisis. There is one nation in the world, that did learn the lesson, and persued programs similar to what Carter put forward.

That nation is Brazil, and this year they declared energy independance!
It only took them three decades, and if Reagan and later administrations had carried the torch vs. torching the Carter policy. We might also have been at this time, declaring energy independance from OPEC!

In fact, I think if the Carter proposals had remained funded, we'd gotten there a whole decade earlier.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/world/2006-03-28-brazil-ethanol-cover_x.htm

Recently, the media has been presenting information on the coming energy crisis. We've had three decades, and we're still not prepared.

I think that this paticular issue is more important to the continuation of our way of life, and National Security vs. Terrorism. I hope that with a Democratic Congress and Senate, the issue will come up and be addressed.

[beachbum bob]

sLiPpY wrote: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=32596

The greatest gift Jimmy Carter gave this nation, was a comprehensive Energy program and policy with a focus on future security. What was one of the things that Ronald Reagan did during his first 100 days? Gut the energy programs, effectively making the US less secure for the future.

Carter was a visionary in this regard, and I'd like to point out...that even though the United States failed to learn the lessons of the 1979 oil crisis. There is one nation in the world, that did learn the lesson, and persued programs similar to what Carter put forward.

That nation is Brazil, and this year they declared energy independance!
It only took them three decades, and if Reagan and later administrations had carried the torch vs. torching the Carter policy. We might also have been at this time, declaring energy independance from OPEC!

In fact, I think if the Carter proposals had remained funded, we'd gotten there a whole decade earlier.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/world/2006-03-28-brazil-ethanol-cover_x.htm

Recently, the media has been presenting information on the coming energy crisis. We've had three decades, and we're still not prepared.

I think that this paticular issue is more important to the continuation of our way of life, and National Security vs. Terrorism. I hope that with a Democratic Congress and Senate, the issue will come up and be addressed.

how corporate america gave americans the shaft....for profit

[sLiPpY]

beachbum bob wrote: sLiPpY wrote: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=32596

The greatest gift Jimmy Carter gave this nation, was a comprehensive Energy program and policy with a focus on future security. What was one of the things that Ronald Reagan did during his first 100 days? Gut the energy programs, effectively making the US less secure for the future.

Carter was a visionary in this regard, and I'd like to point out...that even though the United States failed to learn the lessons of the 1979 oil crisis. There is one nation in the world, that did learn the lesson, and persued programs similar to what Carter put forward.

That nation is Brazil, and this year they declared energy independance!
It only took them three decades, and if Reagan and later administrations had carried the torch vs. torching the Carter policy. We might also have been at this time, declaring energy independance from OPEC!

In fact, I think if the Carter proposals had remained funded, we'd gotten there a whole decade earlier.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/world/2006-03-28-brazil-ethanol-cover_x.htm

Recently, the media has been presenting information on the coming energy crisis. We've had three decades, and we're still not prepared.

I think that this paticular issue is more important to the continuation of our way of life, and National Security vs. Terrorism. I hope that with a Democratic Congress and Senate, the issue will come up and be addressed.

how corporate america gave americans the shaft....for profit

:clap: beachbum bob wins the Jeapordy round for this evening!

[beachbum bob]

sLiPpY wrote: beachbum bob wrote: sLiPpY wrote: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=32596

The greatest gift Jimmy Carter gave this nation, was a comprehensive Energy program and policy with a focus on future security. What was one of the things that Ronald Reagan did during his first 100 days? Gut the energy programs, effectively making the US less secure for the future.

Carter was a visionary in this regard, and I'd like to point out...that even though the United States failed to learn the lessons of the 1979 oil crisis. There is one nation in the world, that did learn the lesson, and persued programs similar to what Carter put forward.

That nation is Brazil, and this year they declared energy independance!
It only took them three decades, and if Reagan and later administrations had carried the torch vs. torching the Carter policy. We might also have been at this time, declaring energy independance from OPEC!

In fact, I think if the Carter proposals had remained funded, we'd gotten there a whole decade earlier.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/world/2006-03-28-brazil-ethanol-cover_x.htm

Recently, the media has been presenting information on the coming energy crisis. We've had three decades, and we're still not prepared.

I think that this paticular issue is more important to the continuation of our way of life, and National Security vs. Terrorism. I hope that with a Democratic Congress and Senate, the issue will come up and be addressed.

how corporate america gave americans the shaft....for profit

:clap: beachbum bob wins the Jeapordy round for this evening!

damn right...and not being facetious when I say that

[Deemoore]

There must be some common sense brain function that dies when you become a major stockholder or executive.

Perhaps the logic is, if you have a clear path that will place you on a higher economic plane then you can defray the added costs. Who cares if the peons go down the tubes, I can afford to move to to the next way to screw the masses.

[perdidochas]

sLiPpY wrote: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=32596

The greatest gift Jimmy Carter gave this nation, was a comprehensive Energy program and policy with a focus on future security. What was one of the things that Ronald Reagan did during his first 100 days? Gut the energy programs, effectively making the US less secure for the future.

Carter was a visionary in this regard, and I'd like to point out...that even though the United States failed to learn the lessons of the 1979 oil crisis. There is one nation in the world, that did learn the lesson, and persued programs similar to what Carter put forward.

That nation is Brazil, and this year they declared energy independance!
It only took them three decades, and if Reagan and later administrations had carried the torch vs. torching the Carter policy. We might also have been at this time, declaring energy independance from OPEC!

In fact, I think if the Carter proposals had remained funded, we'd gotten there a whole decade earlier.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/world/2006-03-28-brazil-ethanol-cover_x.htm

Recently, the media has been presenting information on the coming energy crisis. We've had three decades, and we're still not prepared.

I think that this paticular issue is more important to the continuation of our way of life, and National Security vs. Terrorism. I hope that with a Democratic Congress and Senate, the issue will come up and be addressed.

Brazil's energy independence is primarily due to their increased drilling of oil. They've more than doubled their domestic oil production.

www.investors.com/editorial/editorialcontent.asp?id=246842180355425&secid=1501&status=article

[beachbum bob]

Deemoore wrote: There must be some common sense brain function that dies when you become a major stockholder or executive.

Perhaps the logic is, if you have a clear path that will place you on a higher economic plane then you can defray the added costs. Who cares if the peons go down the tubes, I can afford to move to to the next way to screw the masses.

lets..see, how many of the top 500 US corporations "back dated" stock options so their executives could take advantage of the drop in stock prices after the 9-11 attack??

how many corporate leaders reward themselves as they shed workers and benefits of their companies??

greed...brings out the worse in many people and is encouraged in american culture

[Deemoore]

perdidochas wrote:
Brazil's energy independence is primarily due to their increased drilling of oil. They've more than doubled their domestic oil production.




BZZZZZZT - WRONG ANSWER

The heading on the page your URL led to was
EDITORIALS &
OPINION
Heavy on the Opinion

As Brazil Fills Up on Ethanol, It Weans Off Energy Imports

by: David Luhnow & Geraldo Samor, Staff Reporter for The Wall Street Journal

Quote: At current prices, Brazil can make ethanol for about $1 a gallon, according to the World Bank. That compares with the international price of gasoline of about $1.50 a gallon. Even though ethanol gets less mileage than gasoline, in Brazil it's still cheaper per mile driven. As a result, ethanol now accounts for as much as 20% of Brazil's transport fuel market.
http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=6817

The Real Lesson from Brazil
Quote: Yes, Brazil has in fact "figured it out" with respect to energy independence. But the reason they achieved energy independence is primarily because of their frugal energy usage, not because of ethanol. Increase their energy usage to U.S. levels, and the "energy independence miracle" would quickly vanish. This is the factor that the media and the politicians have overlooked. On the other hand, if the U.S. had the same per capita energy consumption as Brazil, we would be net oil exporters. In fact, our per capita energy consumption could be 11 barrels per person per year - triple the consumption of Brazil - and our production and demand would be in balance. We would be energy independent.

The real lesson from Brazil is that energy independence can be achieved by slashing our energy usage. It is simply not realistic to expect the U.S. to achieve energy independence with biofuels - unless we sharply curb our consumption. The next time you hear someone say we should emulate Brazil's example, ask them to calculate the amount of ethanol this would require, and ask them how we are supposed to produce that much. It is time to start demanding details from the "Brazil believers". In doing so, we may convey the gravity of the situation to those who think ethanol will lead us to energy independence.
http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2006/5/31/175512/149


If I had a buttload invested in oil stock my opinion would be to drill more oil. But, I'm a consumer and I'm fully aware of what happens to the price as the "oil barrel" runs out. Spend some of those record oil profits and drill more oil .. but if I were to invest I would invest in something that was a renewable resource.

[sLiPpY]

Deemoore wrote: perdidochas wrote:
Brazil's energy independence is primarily due to their increased drilling of oil. They've more than doubled their domestic oil production.




BZZZZZZT - WRONG ANSWER

The heading on the page your URL led to was
EDITORIALS &
OPINION
Heavy on the Opinion

As Brazil Fills Up on Ethanol, It Weans Off Energy Imports

by: David Luhnow & Geraldo Samor, Staff Reporter for The Wall Street Journal

Quote: At current prices, Brazil can make ethanol for about $1 a gallon, according to the World Bank. That compares with the international price of gasoline of about $1.50 a gallon. Even though ethanol gets less mileage than gasoline, in Brazil it's still cheaper per mile driven. As a result, ethanol now accounts for as much as 20% of Brazil's transport fuel market.
http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/display.article?id=6817

The Real Lesson from Brazil
Quote: Yes, Brazil has in fact "figured it out" with respect to energy independence. But the reason they achieved energy independence is primarily because of their frugal energy usage, not because of ethanol. Increase their energy usage to U.S. levels, and the "energy independence miracle" would quickly vanish. This is the factor that the media and the politicians have overlooked. On the other hand, if the U.S. had the same per capita energy consumption as Brazil, we would be net oil exporters. In fact, our per capita energy consumption could be 11 barrels per person per year - triple the consumption of Brazil - and our production and demand would be in balance. We would be energy independent.

The real lesson from Brazil is that energy independence can be achieved by slashing our energy usage. It is simply not realistic to expect the U.S. to achieve energy independence with biofuels - unless we sharply curb our consumption. The next time you hear someone say we should emulate Brazil's example, ask them to calculate the amount of ethanol this would require, and ask them how we are supposed to produce that much. It is time to start demanding details from the "Brazil believers". In doing so, we may convey the gravity of the situation to those who think ethanol will lead us to energy independence.
http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2006/5/31/175512/149


If I had a buttload invested in oil stock my opinion would be to drill more oil. But, I'm a consumer and I'm fully aware of what happens to the price as the "oil barrel" runs out. Spend some of those record oil profits and drill more oil .. but if I were to invest I would invest in something that was a renewable resource.

That's an excellent post. The alternative fuel still has about 17 percent old school fossil fuel content.

The program I watched on the subject, had the Chairman of GM advocating the use of ethanol. They make cars that are ready for it, but it's not readily available here.

Energy Conservation? Yes that is also a big part of Brazil's focus, as it was during the Carter administration.

One of the first things the Department of Energy did, was to pass out stickers that school kids could take home and paste over a light switch...encouraging people to turn a light off when it wasn't in use.

That was a fundemental change back in the day. And just a small step....

Did you know that if each American household, purchased just three of the new flourescent type bulbs to replace their incandecants, that alone would eliminate the need for eight fossil fuel plants.

[beachbum bob]

sLiPpY wrote:

That was a fundemental change back in the day. And just a small step....

Did you know that if each American household, purchased just three of the new flourescent type bulbs to replace their incandecants, that alone would eliminate the need for eight fossil fuel plants.

perhaps we will see the day that america doesn't feel entitled to waste