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[GrowHydro]

I wanted to just pass on a video given to me by a good friend of mine. It has a beautiful English song playing over mostly clips of the Soviet invasion and civilian refugees, with a few of the mujahideen near the end. Regardless of your political affiliation, its beauty is undeniable, although I gotta say it doesn't quite beat the old standards like Bonnie Blue or Dixie. :sigh1:, they never fail to bring tears to my eyes. And yes, I am in fact the real uniter, not a divider. Enjoy.

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Afghanistan is a hard land to conquer for anyone my friends, and even harder to subjugate.

[Centrist]

GrowHydro wrote: I wanted to just pass on a video given to me by a good friend of mine. It has a beautiful English song playing over mostly clips of the Soviet invasion and civilian refugees, with a few of the mujahideen near the end. Regardless of your political affiliation, its beauty is undeniable, although I gotta say it doesn't quite beat the old standards like Bonnie Blue or Dixie. :sigh1:, they never fail to bring tears to my eyes. And yes, I am in fact the real uniter, not a divider. Enjoy.

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Afghanistan is a hard land to conquer for anyone my friends, and even harder to subjugate.

Some of my earliest political memories are of watching footage of Afghans on horses taking on Soviet tanks.

The tanks never stood a chance.

[GrowHydro]

Centrist wrote: GrowHydro wrote: I wanted to just pass on a video given to me by a good friend of mine. It has a beautiful English song playing over mostly clips of the Soviet invasion and civilian refugees, with a few of the mujahideen near the end. Regardless of your political affiliation, its beauty is undeniable, although I gotta say it doesn't quite beat the old standards like Bonnie Blue or Dixie. :sigh1:, they never fail to bring tears to my eyes. And yes, I am in fact the real uniter, not a divider. Enjoy.

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Afghanistan is a hard land to conquer for anyone my friends, and even harder to subjugate.

Some of my earliest political memories are of watching footage of Afghans on horses taking on Soviet tanks.

The tanks never stood a chance.
True that.

[The Newb]

GrowHydro wrote: I wanted to just pass on a video given to me by a good friend of mine. It has a beautiful English song playing over mostly clips of the Soviet invasion and civilian refugees, with a few of the mujahideen near the end. Regardless of your political affiliation, its beauty is undeniable, although I gotta say it doesn't quite beat the old standards like Bonnie Blue or Dixie. :sigh1:, they never fail to bring tears to my eyes. And yes, I am in fact the real uniter, not a divider. Enjoy.

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Afghanistan is a hard land to conquer for anyone my friends, and even harder to subjugate.

its a good song, and in the right context....too bad that what they faught for was twisted into what became thier downfall

[GrowHydro]

The Newb wrote: GrowHydro wrote: I wanted to just pass on a video given to me by a good friend of mine. It has a beautiful English song playing over mostly clips of the Soviet invasion and civilian refugees, with a few of the mujahideen near the end. Regardless of your political affiliation, its beauty is undeniable, although I gotta say it doesn't quite beat the old standards like Bonnie Blue or Dixie. :sigh1:, they never fail to bring tears to my eyes. And yes, I am in fact the real uniter, not a divider. Enjoy.

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Afghanistan is a hard land to conquer for anyone my friends, and even harder to subjugate.

its a good song, and in the right context....too bad that what they faught for was twisted into what became thier downfall Who? The Taliban? Please refer to the Taliban by name, because the mujahideen as a whole are not Taliban. Also, the same could be said of the United States. Do you really think that the US is going to be able to control Afghanistan for more than a few years max? Its impossible (especially for Rumsfeld's armed forces), a foreign army can only really have control in Kabul, and even if it was attempted, an extended military campaign all the way in Afghanistan would bankrupt the United States.

[Prof_2k7]

Um... what exactly is "beautiful" about a bunch of old footage of Soviet planes, missles, helicopters, and bombs destroying a barren land? And wtf does "the disbelieving army is heading for hell" supposed to mean? f**k that self righteous s**t.

[The Russian]

that is pretty self-rightious BS right there comrad..

a lot of those Russians are brave young men fighting against religious zealots who didnt come to liberate Afghanistan, but came to propagate their right to distribute Islam by the sword... the difference between the sides is enlightened when you realise the soviets had endless nuclear weapons at their disposal and they didnt use them... could your mujahadeen have done the same had they had just one?

The US had made yet another fatal mistake in allegiance, just like it did in Nicaragua, Batista, Honduras, and El Salvadore... when it chose to oppose communism at all costs. It didnt care for the inhabitants, it cared for its own zealous ideology no less than the islamo-faschists they supplied, who later turned on them as the proverbial 'goat' got passed from the atheist east to the imperialistic west.

[The Newb]

GrowHydro wrote: The Newb wrote: GrowHydro wrote: I wanted to just pass on a video given to me by a good friend of mine. It has a beautiful English song playing over mostly clips of the Soviet invasion and civilian refugees, with a few of the mujahideen near the end. Regardless of your political affiliation, its beauty is undeniable, although I gotta say it doesn't quite beat the old standards like Bonnie Blue or Dixie. :sigh1:, they never fail to bring tears to my eyes. And yes, I am in fact the real uniter, not a divider. Enjoy.

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Afghanistan is a hard land to conquer for anyone my friends, and even harder to subjugate.

its a good song, and in the right context....too bad that what they faught for was twisted into what became thier downfall Who? The Taliban? Please refer to the Taliban by name, because the mujahideen as a whole are not Taliban. Also, the same could be said of the United States. Do you really think that the US is going to be able to control Afghanistan for more than a few years max? Its impossible (especially for Rumsfeld's armed forces), a foreign army can only really have control in Kabul, and even if it was attempted, an extended military campaign all the way in Afghanistan would bankrupt the United States.

i was being discrete without being offensive chill out a lil

[Prof_2k7]

The Russian wrote: that is pretty self-rightious BS right there comrad..

a lot of those Russians are brave young men fighting against religious zealots who didnt come to liberate Afghanistan, but came to propagate their right to distribute Islam by the sword... the difference between the sides is enlightened when you realise the soviets had endless nuclear weapons at their disposal and they didnt use them... could your mujahadeen have done the same had they had just one?

The US had made yet another fatal mistake in allegiance, just like it did in Nicaragua, Batista, Honduras, and El Salvadore... when it chose to oppose communism at all costs. It didnt care for the inhabitants, it cared for its own zealous ideology no less than the islamo-faschists they supplied, who later turned on them as the proverbial 'goat' got passed from the atheist east to the imperialistic west.

Who are you talking to?

[GrowHydro]

The Newb wrote: GrowHydro wrote: The Newb wrote: GrowHydro wrote: I wanted to just pass on a video given to me by a good friend of mine. It has a beautiful English song playing over mostly clips of the Soviet invasion and civilian refugees, with a few of the mujahideen near the end. Regardless of your political affiliation, its beauty is undeniable, although I gotta say it doesn't quite beat the old standards like Bonnie Blue or Dixie. :sigh1:, they never fail to bring tears to my eyes. And yes, I am in fact the real uniter, not a divider. Enjoy.

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Afghanistan is a hard land to conquer for anyone my friends, and even harder to subjugate.

its a good song, and in the right context....too bad that what they faught for was twisted into what became thier downfall Who? The Taliban? Please refer to the Taliban by name, because the mujahideen as a whole are not Taliban. Also, the same could be said of the United States. Do you really think that the US is going to be able to control Afghanistan for more than a few years max? Its impossible (especially for Rumsfeld's armed forces), a foreign army can only really have control in Kabul, and even if it was attempted, an extended military campaign all the way in Afghanistan would bankrupt the United States.

i was being discrete without being offensive chill out a lil
Oh, excuse me; I apologize, when I posted this I had to come ready for a fight. Its become a force of habit. Once again, my apologies.

[Mafioso]

well considering we already pretty much conquered it, and sent Osama packing (something Russia never could do) Your point is well pointless.

[The Newb]

GrowHydro wrote: The Newb wrote: GrowHydro wrote: The Newb wrote: GrowHydro wrote: I wanted to just pass on a video given to me by a good friend of mine. It has a beautiful English song playing over mostly clips of the Soviet invasion and civilian refugees, with a few of the mujahideen near the end. Regardless of your political affiliation, its beauty is undeniable, although I gotta say it doesn't quite beat the old standards like Bonnie Blue or Dixie. :sigh1:, they never fail to bring tears to my eyes. And yes, I am in fact the real uniter, not a divider. Enjoy.

Link

Afghanistan is a hard land to conquer for anyone my friends, and even harder to subjugate.

its a good song, and in the right context....too bad that what they faught for was twisted into what became thier downfall Who? The Taliban? Please refer to the Taliban by name, because the mujahideen as a whole are not Taliban. Also, the same could be said of the United States. Do you really think that the US is going to be able to control Afghanistan for more than a few years max? Its impossible (especially for Rumsfeld's armed forces), a foreign army can only really have control in Kabul, and even if it was attempted, an extended military campaign all the way in Afghanistan would bankrupt the United States.

i was being discrete without being offensive chill out a lil
Oh, excuse me; I apologize, when I posted this I had to come ready for a fight. Its become a force of habit. Once again, my apologies.

not a prob apoligy accepted, i noticed you were muslim and surely didnt want to offend you, so i left it a lil open, i know that not all muslims are bad people, however, there are more than just the taliban, and al-queda that have terrorists within their ranks, if i mentioned one, it would not have been a fair statement. so in avoiding a possible issue i may have created one .... cheers to you for understanding

[GrowHydro]

Prof_2k7 wrote: Um... what exactly is "beautiful" about a bunch of old footage of Soviet planes, missles, helicopters, and bombs destroying a barren land? And wtf does "the disbelieving army is heading for hell" supposed to mean? f**k that self righteous s**t.
What's beautiful is that courageous and compassionate men, mujahideen, emigrated and came to the aid of helpless innocent people against all odds and won; and they sacrificed so greatly for their brothers and sisters with this remarkable charity, only for the sake of human benevolence on earth, and God's in the hereafter.

Yes, to Muslims the army of the Soviet Union, being the military of an aggressively imperialistic communist state, are considered disbelievers.
From the Noble Quran:
Quote: [8:36] Those who disbelieve spend their money to repel others from the way of GOD. They will spend it, then it will turn into sorrow and remorse for them. Ultimately, they will be defeated, and all disbelievers will be summoned to Hell.

[8:37] GOD will sift away the bad from the good, then pile the bad on top of each other, all in one pile, then throw it in Hell. Such are the losers.

[8:38] Tell those who disbelieved: if they stop, all their past will be forgiven. But if they return, they will incur the same fate as their previous counterparts.

[8:39] You shall fight them to ward off oppression, and to practice your religion devoted to GOD alone. If they refrain from aggression, then GOD is fully Seer of everything they do.

[8:40] If they turn away, then you should know that GOD is your Lord and Master; the best Lord and Master, the best supporter.





Yea, Afghanistan sure is disgusting.

[The Newb]

GrowHydro wrote:
Yea, Afghanistan sure is disgusting.

you are absolutely correct the country is buetiful, the rule they have had in the past was ( yes the taliban :wink: )

[GrowHydro]

The Newb wrote: GrowHydro wrote: The Newb wrote: GrowHydro wrote: The Newb wrote: GrowHydro wrote: I wanted to just pass on a video given to me by a good friend of mine. It has a beautiful English song playing over mostly clips of the Soviet invasion and civilian refugees, with a few of the mujahideen near the end. Regardless of your political affiliation, its beauty is undeniable, although I gotta say it doesn't quite beat the old standards like Bonnie Blue or Dixie. :sigh1:, they never fail to bring tears to my eyes. And yes, I am in fact the real uniter, not a divider. Enjoy.

Link

Afghanistan is a hard land to conquer for anyone my friends, and even harder to subjugate.

its a good song, and in the right context....too bad that what they faught for was twisted into what became thier downfall Who? The Taliban? Please refer to the Taliban by name, because the mujahideen as a whole are not Taliban. Also, the same could be said of the United States. Do you really think that the US is going to be able to control Afghanistan for more than a few years max? Its impossible (especially for Rumsfeld's armed forces), a foreign army can only really have control in Kabul, and even if it was attempted, an extended military campaign all the way in Afghanistan would bankrupt the United States.

i was being discrete without being offensive chill out a lil
Oh, excuse me; I apologize, when I posted this I had to come ready for a fight. Its become a force of habit. Once again, my apologies.

not a prob apoligy accepted, i noticed you were muslim and surely didnt want to offend you, so i left it a lil open, i know that not all muslims are bad people, however, there are more than just the taliban, and al-queda that have terrorists within their ranks, if i mentioned one, it would not have been a fair statement. so in avoiding a possible issue i may have created one .... cheers to you for understanding
Eh, terrorism again.... The founders of Israel were terrorists, the American revolutionary war snipers were terrorists and terrorism along the frontier, all of Europe were at least one time in history, etc, etc, and etc. The only reaction to the word should come from compassion for the killed and injured, just as if they had been killed by a bullet. Recently however, there has been a stigma, if you will, attached resulting in blind judgment. That is quite dangerous intellectually.

[The Newb]

GrowHydro wrote:
Eh, terrorism again.... The founders of Israel were terrorists, the American revolutionary war snipers were terrorists and terrorism along the frontier, all of Europe were at least one time in history, etc, etc, and etc. The only reaction to the word should come from compassion for the killed and injured, just as if they had been killed by a bullet. Recently however, there has been a stigma, if you will, attached resulting in blind judgment. That is quite dangerous intellectually.

you may have missed my point, when i stated terrorists, i meant those that would willingly kill "innocent" civilians, for political gain, a sniper, unless he was to start killing inocents, would not be a terrorists, isreal? you may have a point somewhat, yet they are fighting terrorists with the terrorists own choice of tactics so to speak

Quote: The only reaction to the word should come from compassion for the killed and injured

yes it should non combatants should not be targeted

[Prof_2k7]

GrowHydro wrote: Prof_2k7 wrote: Um... what exactly is "beautiful" about a bunch of old footage of Soviet planes, missles, helicopters, and bombs destroying a barren land? And wtf does "the disbelieving army is heading for hell" supposed to mean? f**k that self righteous s**t.

Yea, Afghanistan sure is disgusting.

Um... I never said nor implied that. I only asked where the *video* showed beauty.