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[StrikeEmd15]

blockhead wrote: That wasn't so hard, now was it.

Let's hope the Israelis don't break the ceasefire agreement.

That's not really fair. All considering, there's an equally good chance either Israel's government/IDF or Hamas/Fatah may break the ceasefire. Not to mention there's the possibility that factions unknown may frame one of the two sides, in order to renew the conflict. However, if this goes according to plan, then we may finally see the end of a fifty-year conundrum.

[MoscowMatt]

blockhead wrote: That wasn't so hard, now was it.

Let's hope the Israelis don't break the ceasefire agreement.

Palestinian militants already have!! :twisted: See here

What hope is there for peace when the likes of Hamas cannot even control their own ranks? What incentive is there for Israel to pursue peace when all that will happen is hardline splinter groups will continue the violence. These people don't want Israel to exist full stop, how can you negotiate on that?

[blockhead]

MoscowMatt wrote:
Palestinian militants already have!! :twisted: [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6184882.stm]See here?


From your link:

Hamas' armed wing said it launched the rockets because some Israeli troops were still in Gaza, east of the town of Jabaliya, despite the Israelis saying they had pulled out all their troops overnight.

[blockhead]

StrikeEmd15 wrote: blockhead wrote: That wasn't so hard, now was it.

Let's hope the Israelis don't break the ceasefire agreement.

That's not really fair. All considering, there's an equally good chance either Israel's government/IDF or Hamas/Fatah may break the ceasefire. Not to mention there's the possibility that factions unknown may frame one of the two sides, in order to renew the conflict. However, if this goes according to plan, then we may finally see the end of a fifty-year conundrum.

Let's hope the Israelis don't break the ceasefire agreement.


some Israeli troops were still in Gaza, east of the town of Jabaliya, despite the Israelis saying they had pulled out all their troops overnight

[MoscowMatt]

blockhead wrote: StrikeEmd15 wrote: blockhead wrote: That wasn't so hard, now was it.

Let's hope the Israelis don't break the ceasefire agreement.

That's not really fair. All considering, there's an equally good chance either Israel's government/IDF or Hamas/Fatah may break the ceasefire. Not to mention there's the possibility that factions unknown may frame one of the two sides, in order to renew the conflict. However, if this goes according to plan, then we may finally see the end of a fifty-year conundrum.

Let's hope the Israelis don't break the ceasefire agreement.


some Israeli troops were still in Gaza, east of the town of Jabaliya, despite the Israelis saying they had pulled out all their troops overnight

Given the transport infrastructure has been blown up it's no surprise it's taking time to withdraw. A ceasefire ultimately means NO SHOOTING (clue is in the word). The Israelis were leaving (of course you have to believe Hamas who say they were still there. They know this cannot be proved which everway). It shows a very poor commitment to peace from Hamas. The Israelis if there were obliging the requirements. Whereas Hamas just want to kill! If the soldiers were still there why not fire at them. But oh no lets fire rockets into Israel and try to kill civilians because they know that will stir Israelis up more than if they attacked soldiers which would be more justified. But of course Hamas apologists like you will make any pathetic excuse. :x
Just face facts. The likes of Hamas have no real intrest in peace. This ceasefire is just an excuse for them to regroup and re-arm. It will soon kick of again when they attack, but as usual people like you will criticise Israel and claim it's Israel who don't want peace.

[slitedeviance]

MoscowMatt wrote: Given the transport infrastructure has been blown up it's no surprise it's taking time to withdraw. A ceasefire ultimately means NO SHOOTING (clue is in the word). The Israelis were leaving (of course you have to believe Hamas who say they were still there. They know this cannot be proved which everway). It shows a very poor commitment to peace from Hamas. The Israelis if there were obliging the requirements. Whereas Hamas just want to kill! If the soldiers were still there why not fire at them. But oh no lets fire rockets into Israel and try to kill civilians because they know that will stir Israelis up more than if they attacked soldiers which would be more justified. But of course Hamas apologists like you will make any pathetic excuse. :x
Just face facts. The likes of Hamas have no real intrest in peace. This ceasefire is just an excuse for them to regroup and re-arm. It will soon kick of again when they attack, but as usual people like you will criticise Israel and claim it's Israel who don't want peace.

Woah, lets hold off on the "People like you" line for a sec...

It all comes down to the terms of the cease fire. If Israeli troops were still in Gaza, and their withdrawl was timetabled on the cease fire and has been breached, then the IDF needs to get it's skates on. If not, then yes, it would appear Hamas' militant wing have broken the cease fire.

[blockhead]

MoscowMatt wrote: Given the transport infrastructure has been blown up it's no surprise it's taking time to withdraw.

HUH?

[cap'n queasy]

blockhead wrote: That wasn't so hard, now was it.

Let's hope the Israelis don't break the ceasefire agreement.

Can't help yourself, eh? :lol:

[cap'n queasy]

superskippy wrote: We'll see, honestly though I'm surprised there are so few people commenting in here this is perhaps the biggest news in terms of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in months perhaps much more.

Well, how many broken cease-fires have there been? I would say it is likely that this will be the Gaza withdrawal all over again.

The PA needs time to regroup and as soon as they do, the rockets will start flying again. Everyone knows this.

[DanteAlighieri]

In view of all of the past broken cease-fire agreements, there is still always hope that perhaps, just maybe, this might be the beginning of a lasting
peace in that region. Still, both sides are far from giving in everything.

[blockhead]

cap'n queasy wrote: blockhead wrote: That wasn't so hard, now was it.

Let's hope the Israelis don't break the ceasefire agreement.

Can't help yourself, eh? :lol:

Considering they're violating the ceasefire in Lebanon.

[blockhead]

cap'n queasy wrote: superskippy wrote: We'll see, honestly though I'm surprised there are so few people commenting in here this is perhaps the biggest news in terms of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict in months perhaps much more.

Well, how many broken cease-fires have there been? I would say it is likely that this will be the Gaza withdrawal all over again.

The PA needs time to regroup and as soon as they do, the rockets will start flying again. Everyone knows this.

Everyone knows "your opinion"?

[Venom]

Quote: Considering they're violating the ceasefire in Lebanon.
Hrmm, nevermind that the Lebanese government, UNIFIL, and Hezbollah have all said they will not disarm the group (which by the way is a violation of the agreement, including the previous agreement in which the IDF withdrew their forces). So while yes if Hezbollah was being disarmed I would agree the IDF shouldn't do the overflights, however they aren't. That is a violation of the ceasefire agreement right there. It would not be responsible for the IDF to sit by and not obtain recon of an enemy that close to their borders. So if you want to talk about violations... maybe you should look at the other players in Lebanon?

[blockhead]

Venom wrote: Quote: Considering they're violating the ceasefire in Lebanon.
Hrmm, nevermind that the Lebanese government, UNIFIL, and Hezbollah have all said they will not disarm the group (which by the way is a violation of the agreement, including the previous agreement in which the IDF withdrew their forces). So while yes if Hezbollah was being disarmed I would agree the IDF shouldn't do the overflights, however they aren't. That is a violation of the ceasefire agreement right there. It would not be responsible for the IDF to sit by and not obtain recon of an enemy that close to their borders. So if you want to talk about violations... maybe you should look at the other players in Lebanon?

Why should I look at the other players? Why not look at Israel?

[mr_happy]

[quote="blockhead"] Venom wrote: Quote: Considering they're violating the ceasefire in Lebanon.
Hrmm, nevermind that the Lebanese government, UNIFIL, and Hezbollah have all said they will not disarm the group (which by the way is a violation of the agreement, including the previous agreement in which the IDF withdrew their forces). So while yes if Hezbollah was being disarmed I would agree the IDF shouldn't do the overflights, however they aren't. That is a violation of the ceasefire agreement right there. It would not be responsible for the IDF to sit by and not obtain recon of an enemy that close to their borders. So if you want to talk about violations... maybe you should look at the other players in Lebanon?

Quote: Why should I look at the other players?

^^ that comment right there completely discredits any opinion you might have. WOW.

[Venom]

Because there is no reason for Israel to hold up it's part of an agreement that no-one else is. How can a someone on the pro-Palestinian/Hezbollah side of the fence not look at other factors. Is that not what you do in other threads?
Blockhead wrote: Hamas' armed wing said it launched the rockets because some Israeli troops were still in Gaza
Hamas launched rockets after a cease fire agreement... which is a violation of course. Yet you blame this on Israel, citing Hamas' claim that Israel didn't remove all of their troops. So apparently you will look at the other players when it appears to the benefit of Palestine or Hezbollah, but not for the benifit of Israel.

So this is why you should look at other players. You can look at Israel, which I have stated it would be not be a responsible move on their part to NOT obtain recon on their enemy which is not even attempting to hold up their part of the ceasefire.

[blockhead]

[quote="mr_happy"] blockhead wrote: Venom wrote: Quote: Considering they're violating the ceasefire in Lebanon.
Hrmm, nevermind that the Lebanese government, UNIFIL, and Hezbollah have all said they will not disarm the group (which by the way is a violation of the agreement, including the previous agreement in which the IDF withdrew their forces). So while yes if Hezbollah was being disarmed I would agree the IDF shouldn't do the overflights, however they aren't. That is a violation of the ceasefire agreement right there. It would not be responsible for the IDF to sit by and not obtain recon of an enemy that close to their borders. So if you want to talk about violations... maybe you should look at the other players in Lebanon?

Quote: Why should I look at the other players?

^^ that comment right there completely discredits any opinion you might have. WOW.

How would it? Wow!

[blockhead]

Venom wrote: Because there is no reason for Israel to hold up it's part of an agreement that no-one else is. How can a someone on the pro-Palestinian/Hezbollah side of the fence not look at other factors. Is that not what you do in other threads?
Blockhead wrote: Hamas' armed wing said it launched the rockets because some Israeli troops were still in Gaza
Hamas launched rockets after a cease fire agreement... which is a violation of course. Yet you blame this on Israel, citing Hamas' claim that Israel didn't remove all of their troops. So apparently you will look at the other players when it appears to the benefit of Palestine or Hezbollah, but not for the benifit of Israel.

So this is why you should look at other players. You can look at Israel, which I have stated it would be not be a responsible move on their part to NOT obtain recon on their enemy which is not even attempting to hold up their part of the ceasefire.

I didn't "blame" anything on Israel. I simply provided a link and statement to provide a reason for them to do this.

The ceasefire calls for either side to NOT go into the buffer zone, let alone practive a bombing run on an international peace keeping force.

Wait a second, I will look away...

[Venom]

Blockhead wrote: I didn't "blame" anything on Israel. I simply provided a link and statement to provide a reason for them to do this
Really? Then why did you bold these parts: Blockhead wrote: Hamas' armed wing said it launched the rockets because some Israeli troops were still in Gaza, east of the town of Jabaliya, despite the Israelis saying they had pulled out all their troops overnight
It's quite apparent your blaming Israel for the rockets being fired.

Blockhead wrote: The ceasefire calls for either side to NOT go into the buffer zone, let alone practive a bombing run on an international peace keeping force.

Wait a second, I will look away...
The ceasefire also calls for Hezbollah to disarm, yet they are not doing it. This is the second time Israel has accepted this same basic cease fire deal, with Hezbollah refusing to disarm and Lebanon refusing to disarm Hezbollah. Which if you care to look is part of the agreement. So why is it a problem for Israel to be doing recon of their enemy? None in this case. If Lebanon was disarming Hezbollah then sure there would be a problem with Israel doing this. However, they have not which has forced Israel to obtain recon on the enemy which has attacked them time and time again.

[superskippy]

Aside from that one rocket attack the ceasefire appears to be holding which perhaps can be a stepping stone for future negotiations but only the future can tell.