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[soldierofsoul]

ontheyslay wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: America is full of double standards, I wish people would stop whining, get a job, stop living on welfare.

I know man, these poor people need to get off their lazy ass and get a $90,000 a year job. I mean all you have to do is go to college, and what's that? All it takes is thousands of dollars a semester, while at the same time trying to pay gas, food, and bills. And if they have kids, all they have to pay is like what 250 to 300 a week for day care, that's nothing. :roll:

Well man since I have been there I know, you can get government funds to help you pay for college(or go to the military and have them pay for it). The thing is they don't wont to improve themselves they are happy where they are at, barely making it. As for the kids thing, they made the choice to have sex, if they have kids that's there problem.

Please read my previous post.

[ontheyslay]

soldierofsoul wrote: ontheyslay wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: America is full of double standards, I wish people would stop whining, get a job, stop living on welfare.

I know man, these poor people need to get off their lazy ass and get a $90,000 a year job. I mean all you have to do is go to college, and what's that? All it takes is thousands of dollars a semester, while at the same time trying to pay gas, food, and bills. And if they have kids, all they have to pay is like what 250 to 300 a week for day care, that's nothing. :roll:

Well man scence I have been there I know, you can get government funds to help you pay for college(or go to the military and have them pay for it). The thing is they dont wont to improve themselves they are happy where they are at, barely making it. As for the kids thing, they made the choice to have sex, if they have kids thats there problem.

Kids are now a problem I guess. Wouldn't it be better to help these families with children instead of taking away their welfare check?

I agree welfare is abused in this country, but the answer is not to get rid of it all together. It should be fixed somehow so that people would not be able to abuse it.

[gavnook]

Tall people earn significantly more than short people. We need affirmative action for short people.

[soldierofsoul]

ontheyslay wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: ontheyslay wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: America is full of double standards, I wish people would stop whining, get a job, stop living on welfare.

I know man, these poor people need to get off their lazy ass and get a $90,000 a year job. I mean all you have to do is go to college, and what's that? All it takes is thousands of dollars a semester, while at the same time trying to pay gas, food, and bills. And if they have kids, all they have to pay is like what 250 to 300 a week for day care, that's nothing. :roll:

Well man scence I have been there I know, you can get government funds to help you pay for college(or go to the military and have them pay for it). The thing is they dont wont to improve themselves they are happy where they are at, barely making it. As for the kids thing, they made the choice to have sex, if they have kids thats there problem.

Kids are now a problem I guess. Wouldn't it be better to help these families with children instead of taking away their welfare check?

I agree welfare is abused in this country, but the answer is not to get rid of it all together. It should be fixed somehow so that people would not be able to abuse it.

I did'nt say get rid of it all together.

[ontheyslay]

soldierofsoul wrote: ontheyslay wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: ontheyslay wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: America is full of double standards, I wish people would stop whining, get a job, stop living on welfare.

I know man, these poor people need to get off their lazy ass and get a $90,000 a year job. I mean all you have to do is go to college, and what's that? All it takes is thousands of dollars a semester, while at the same time trying to pay gas, food, and bills. And if they have kids, all they have to pay is like what 250 to 300 a week for day care, that's nothing. :roll:

Well man scence I have been there I know, you can get government funds to help you pay for college(or go to the military and have them pay for it). The thing is they dont wont to improve themselves they are happy where they are at, barely making it. As for the kids thing, they made the choice to have sex, if they have kids thats there problem.

Kids are now a problem I guess. Wouldn't it be better to help these families with children instead of taking away their welfare check?

I agree welfare is abused in this country, but the answer is not to get rid of it all together. It should be fixed somehow so that people would not be able to abuse it.

I did'nt say get rid of it all together.

My appologies. Thought that's what you were insinuating.

[The Comrade]

Zadoc wrote:

If you can show me where I advocate giving one group an unfair advantage I will give you a dollar.


Quote: If Affirmative Action were based on economic status, it wouldn't take into the effect of the equation an element that is irrelevant: race. It would take into affect economic background. This would still greatly favor minorities over whites, of course, however, it would be based on a variable of substance

[Zadoc]

[quote="Ozzone"][quote="Zadoc"] Ozzone wrote: The Comrade wrote: Zadoc wrote:
So, you are in favor of keeping poor Americans in the ghettos then, yes?

no one is in favor of that. we're in favor of equality.


when someone doesn't get into a college because they aren't white, or because they have the money to pay for it, that is discrimination.

Having more money isn't discrimination except in the eyes of a socialist.

Quote:
Show me a single law that prevents middle and lower classes from obtaining wealth. Just one law. I'll be waiting.

And like Thrilla said, if keeping money is being a bigot, call me MASTER BIGOT. I don't really care if it offends you.

Thrilla is an intellectual degenerate who incorrectly inferred that that my statement was specifically targeted towards individuals. In the United States, 33.4% of all of the wealth is limited to the top 1% of the population, and that number is growing. The Next 4% have 25.8% of the wealth. Almost 60% of the entire wealth of America is held and controlled by only 5% of the population.

P.S. Here is an example of one law: http://money.cnn.com/2003/05/20/news/buffett_tax/

[soldierofsoul]

ontheyslay wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: ontheyslay wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: ontheyslay wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: America is full of double standards, I wish people would stop whining, get a job, stop living on welfare.

I know man, these poor people need to get off their lazy ass and get a $90,000 a year job. I mean all you have to do is go to college, and what's that? All it takes is thousands of dollars a semester, while at the same time trying to pay gas, food, and bills. And if they have kids, all they have to pay is like what 250 to 300 a week for day care, that's nothing. :roll:

Well man scence I have been there I know, you can get government funds to help you pay for college(or go to the military and have them pay for it). The thing is they dont wont to improve themselves they are happy where they are at, barely making it. As for the kids thing, they made the choice to have sex, if they have kids thats there problem.

Kids are now a problem I guess. Wouldn't it be better to help these families with children instead of taking away their welfare check?

I agree welfare is abused in this country, but the answer is not to get rid of it all together. It should be fixed somehow so that people would not be able to abuse it.

I did'nt say get rid of it all together.

My appologies. Thought that's what you were insinuating.

No I was insinuating that if they have kids they made the choice to do so, now if they wanted to go to college, they should not have made previous plans(like having a child!). Many people don't care about there future(as with drug addicts, crack, very big in the ghetto dude), you must realize that.

[CountryGuy]

I think economic status would be a fair "tiebreaker" in determination for admission, far fairer than simply using race. If a rich student and poor student are of equal status in other areas, I would state that the poor student is more deserving, as they most likely had less educational opportunity than the rich student.

However, I think use of race for admittance into anything is awful, if not evil.

[soldierofsoul]

CountryGuy wrote: I think economic status would be a fair "tiebreaker" in determination for admission, far fairer than simply using race. If a rich student and poor student are of equal status in other areas, I would state that the poor student is more deserving, as they most likely had less educational opportunity than the rich student.

However, I think use of race for admittance into anything is awful, if not evil.

I agree dude.

[Ozzone]

ontheyslay wrote: I know man, these poor people need to get off their lazy ass and get a $90,000 a year job.

Exactly!

Quote: I mean all you have to do is go to college, and what's that? All it takes is thousands of dollars a semester, while at the same time trying to pay gas, food, and bills.

Which millions have done. Want some examples?

Quote: And if they have kids, all they have to pay is like what 250 to 300 a week for day care, that's nothing. :roll:

They chose to have kids. It was their choice. Some people choose not to and work their way through college.

As far as college assistance, have them check out this site:

[url=http://www.ed.gov/news/pressreleases/2006/06/06292006a.html]$790 Million in New Grants for College Students Available July 1
[/url]

[ontheyslay]

soldierofsoul wrote: ontheyslay wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: ontheyslay wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: ontheyslay wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: America is full of double standards, I wish people would stop whining, get a job, stop living on welfare.

I know man, these poor people need to get off their lazy ass and get a $90,000 a year job. I mean all you have to do is go to college, and what's that? All it takes is thousands of dollars a semester, while at the same time trying to pay gas, food, and bills. And if they have kids, all they have to pay is like what 250 to 300 a week for day care, that's nothing. :roll:

Well man scence I have been there I know, you can get government funds to help you pay for college(or go to the military and have them pay for it). The thing is they dont wont to improve themselves they are happy where they are at, barely making it. As for the kids thing, they made the choice to have sex, if they have kids thats there problem.

Kids are now a problem I guess. Wouldn't it be better to help these families with children instead of taking away their welfare check?

I agree welfare is abused in this country, but the answer is not to get rid of it all together. It should be fixed somehow so that people would not be able to abuse it.

I did'nt say get rid of it all together.

My appologies. Thought that's what you were insinuating.

No I was insinuating that if they have kids they made the choice to do so, now if they wanted to go to college, they should not have made previous plans(like having a child!). Many people don't care about there future(as with drug addicts, crack, very big in the ghetto dude), you must realize that.

I realize some people do not care about their future. But I also believe people should not be left in the dark because they made a couple wrong choices in their lives.

[soldierofsoul]

ontheyslay wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: ontheyslay wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: ontheyslay wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: ontheyslay wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: America is full of double standards, I wish people would stop whining, get a job, stop living on welfare.

I know man, these poor people need to get off their lazy ass and get a $90,000 a year job. I mean all you have to do is go to college, and what's that? All it takes is thousands of dollars a semester, while at the same time trying to pay gas, food, and bills. And if they have kids, all they have to pay is like what 250 to 300 a week for day care, that's nothing. :roll:

Well man scence I have been there I know, you can get government funds to help you pay for college(or go to the military and have them pay for it). The thing is they dont wont to improve themselves they are happy where they are at, barely making it. As for the kids thing, they made the choice to have sex, if they have kids thats there problem.

Kids are now a problem I guess. Wouldn't it be better to help these families with children instead of taking away their welfare check?

I agree welfare is abused in this country, but the answer is not to get rid of it all together. It should be fixed somehow so that people would not be able to abuse it.

I did'nt say get rid of it all together.

My appologies. Thought that's what you were insinuating.

No I was insinuating that if they have kids they made the choice to do so, now if they wanted to go to college, they should not have made previous plans(like having a child!). Many people don't care about there future(as with drug addicts, crack, very big in the ghetto dude), you must realize that.

I realize some people do not care about their future. But I also believe people should not be left in the dark because they made a couple wrong choices in their lives.

Dude you completely lost me, are we talking about the same thing, affirmative action?

[ontheyslay]

Quote: Which millions have done. Want some examples?

Thanks to government programs, of which not everyone is elligible.

Quote: They chose to have kids. It was their choice. Some people choose not to and work their way through college.

As I've said, people should not be penalized for the rest of their lives because of a couple wrong choices. I guess you're view would be a good reason for abortion. They can't take care of them so abort them.

It is a lot easier for a child who comes from a rich family to go to college than someone who comes from a poor family. You should not penalize someones children because their parents weren't as economically productive.

[ontheyslay]

soldierofsoul wrote: ontheyslay wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: ontheyslay wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: ontheyslay wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: ontheyslay wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: America is full of double standards, I wish people would stop whining, get a job, stop living on welfare.

I know man, these poor people need to get off their lazy ass and get a $90,000 a year job. I mean all you have to do is go to college, and what's that? All it takes is thousands of dollars a semester, while at the same time trying to pay gas, food, and bills. And if they have kids, all they have to pay is like what 250 to 300 a week for day care, that's nothing. :roll:

Well man scence I have been there I know, you can get government funds to help you pay for college(or go to the military and have them pay for it). The thing is they dont wont to improve themselves they are happy where they are at, barely making it. As for the kids thing, they made the choice to have sex, if they have kids thats there problem.

Kids are now a problem I guess. Wouldn't it be better to help these families with children instead of taking away their welfare check?

I agree welfare is abused in this country, but the answer is not to get rid of it all together. It should be fixed somehow so that people would not be able to abuse it.

I did'nt say get rid of it all together.

My appologies. Thought that's what you were insinuating.

No I was insinuating that if they have kids they made the choice to do so, now if they wanted to go to college, they should not have made previous plans(like having a child!). Many people don't care about there future(as with drug addicts, crack, very big in the ghetto dude), you must realize that.

I realize some people do not care about their future. But I also believe people should not be left in the dark because they made a couple wrong choices in their lives.

Dude you completely lost me, are we talking about the same thing, affirmative action?

I don't know. Affirmative action would be good if it focused on socio-economic status and not race.

There we go, back on track.

[Thrilla]

[quote="Zadoc"][quote="Ozzone"] Zadoc wrote: Ozzone wrote: The Comrade wrote: Zadoc wrote:
So, you are in favor of keeping poor Americans in the ghettos then, yes?

no one is in favor of that. we're in favor of equality.


when someone doesn't get into a college because they aren't white, or because they have the money to pay for it, that is discrimination.

Having more money isn't discrimination except in the eyes of a socialist.

Quote:
Show me a single law that prevents middle and lower classes from obtaining wealth. Just one law. I'll be waiting.

And like Thrilla said, if keeping money is being a bigot, call me MASTER BIGOT. I don't really care if it offends you.

Thrilla is an intellectual degenerate who incorrectly inferred that that my statement was specifically targeted towards individuals. In the United States, 33.4% of all of the wealth is limited to the top 1% of the population, and that number is growing. The Next 4% have 25.8% of the wealth. Almost 60% of the entire wealth of America is held and controlled by only 5% of the population.

P.S. Here is an example of one law: http://money.cnn.com/2003/05/20/news/buffett_tax/ :lol: :lol: an intellectual degenerate... ive been called better names.. but at least that one sounds catchy

hey..how about some more appeals to emotion to get your arguement across.... ask me if im against saving puppies or something now... it really contrasts my style of intellectual degeneration and makes you shine like the true intellectual goliath you are. :-D

now... back to affirmative action being used as a tool for socialism .... as opposed to its intended use of measures used to make up for past discriminations by..... uhh... discriminating against a different group of people.

[Zadoc]

The Comrade wrote: Zadoc wrote:

If you can show me where I advocate giving one group an unfair advantage I will give you a dollar.


Quote: If Affirmative Action were based on economic status, it wouldn't take into the effect of the equation an element that is irrelevant: race. It would take into affect economic background. This would still greatly favor minorities over whites, of course, however, it would be based on a variable of substance

Just because more poor people are black and Mexican than white, does not mean it gives blacks and Mexicans an unfair advantage, because it gives poor white the same oppritunity.

So, where's your argument?

[soldierofsoul]

ontheyslay wrote: Quote: Which millions have done. Want some examples?

Thanks to government programs, of which not everyone is elligible.

Quote: They chose to have kids. It was their choice. Some people choose not to and work their way through college.

As I've said, people should not be penalized for the rest of their lives because of a couple wrong choices. I guess you're view would be a good reason for abortion. They can't take care of them so abort them.

It is a lot easier for a child who comes from a rich family to go to college than someone who comes from a poor family. You should not penalize someones children because their parents weren't as economically productive.

Who is not elligible?

And know that does not give any favor of abortion, they can do as they want to do, it is called free will...if they wanted to go to college they should have not made the decision to have a kid, simple as that.

[The Comrade]

Zadoc wrote:

Just because more poor people are black and Mexican than white, does not mean it gives blacks and Mexicans an unfair advantage, because it gives poor white the same oppritunity.

funny because what i quoted does in fact say minorities will be favored more.

now unless you want to claim you didn't type that, that quote shows how little you favor equality.

[Zadoc]

The Comrade wrote: Zadoc wrote:

Just because more poor people are black and Mexican than white, does not mean it gives blacks and Mexicans an unfair advantage, because it gives poor white the same oppritunity.

funny because what i quoted does in fact say minorities will be favored more.

now unless you want to claim you didn't type that, that quote shows how little you favor equality.

The fact is, in the United States, there more poor black and Mexican people than white people.

If a program is created that assists all manner of poor Americans to attend college, then by number there will be a greater number of minorities who are eligible for the program, but a proportionally equal number of whites.

Really, if you are unable to comprehend at this point, please just give up. There is no way for me to dumb down the concept any further.