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Zadoc · Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 199 Location: Phoenix, AZ

Affirmative Action should exist in leveling the playing field between economic standings, not between races. A rich black person or Latino has just as good of a chance being accepted into Yale as a rich white kid.

However, under Affirmative Action, it can be argued that a poor white kid may have greater difficulty getting into Yale than an equally poor black or Latino kid with equal scholastic achievements.

If Affirmative Action were based on economic status, it wouldn't take into the effect of the equation an element that is irrelevant: race. It would take into affect economic background. This would still greatly favor minorities over whites, of course, however, it would be based on a variable of substance.

It does happen to be true that minority races, specifically blacks and Hispanics, are disproportionately poor and are disproportionately more poorly educated.

This is a symptom of coming from poverty, not a symptom of being black or brown. It is difficult to break out of poverty, obtain that higher education, and obtain that better job.

One hundred years ago, some of the largest ghettos in the United States were Chinese neighborhoods. The Japanese were even interred during WWII. However, there is little no evidence to suggest that there is widespread racism towards Asians. In fact, Asians are often times not eligible for special considerations under Affirmative Action.

The largest form of discrimination in this country is class discrimination, class warfare. The upper class has been **** on the middle and lower class for decades - particularly over the past 6 years.

Sure, there are still racists who actually are able to not like someone because of ethnicity. But, in general, people don't look down on Mexicans for being Mexican, they look down on those that don't speak English and act like it's our fault for not speaking Spanish. In general, people don't look down on blacks because they are black, they look down on blacks who wear gang paraphernalia and speak like, "what you is" and "who you ain't..." the exact same reasons that Cosby described.

If anyone wants to be treated as any kind of an equal in this country, then there need to be serious and significant social-economic reforms. Taxes need to be levied more heavily against the top 5% to 15% wealthiest Americans, especially in the form of capital gains taxes and dividend taxes. Those taxes then need to be turned into credit, budget and debt education programs for the poor. They need to be turned into scholarships and job programs for the poor. They need to be turned into housing and renovation projects, for poor inner-city neighborhoods.

When the President of the United States is talking about eliminating taxes on dividends, he is really expressing his desire to discriminate against the middle and lower class citizens of this country, and no one knows it, because the majority of the country who feels disenfranchised choose to be left out of the system, don't vote, and don't care to vote, and don't care about anyone or anything but themselves.

Prejudice in this country's establishment is economic, and it effects all races.

Rhoades · Joined: 24 Jun 2005 Posts: 1169 Location: Pennsylvania

Affirmative action shouldn't exist period. It doesn't need fixed, it needs deleted.

Thrilla · Joined: 23 May 2005 Posts: 20866 Location: Sin City

Quote: Affirmative Action should exist in leveling the playing field between economic standings, not between races. no.. it should be abolished... it is governmental discrimination.

Zadoc · Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 199 Location: Phoenix, AZ

Thrilla wrote: Quote: Affirmative Action should exist in leveling the playing field between economic standings, not between races. no.. it should be abolished... it is governmental discrimination.

So, you are in favor of keeping poor Americans in the ghettos then, yes?

Swampfox.f · Joined: 08 Nov 2006 Posts: 248

Zadoc wrote: Thrilla wrote: Quote: Affirmative Action should exist in leveling the playing field between economic standings, not between races. no.. it should be abolished... it is governmental discrimination.

So, you are in favor of keeping poor Americans in the ghettos then, yes?

So you are saying only blacks and minorities are poor? What of all the help minorities get in the middle and upper class? Should the fact that they are not supreme in numbers give them special privelages?

Thrilla · Joined: 23 May 2005 Posts: 20866 Location: Sin City

Zadoc wrote: Thrilla wrote: Quote: Affirmative Action should exist in leveling the playing field between economic standings, not between races. no.. it should be abolished... it is governmental discrimination.

So, you are in favor of keeping poor Americans in the ghettos then, yes? did i say that?...didnt think so

Im not in favor of anyone being in a ghetto....and im not in favor of the government discriminating against anyone either....
stop looking to government for answers to lifes woes... the answer you get will most likely cause more woes

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 11660 Location: Zagreb

Zadoc wrote:
So, you are in favor of keeping poor Americans in the ghettos then, yes?

no one is in favor of that. we're in favor of equality.

when someone doesn't get into a college because they aren't white, or because they have the money to pay for it, that is discrimination.

soldierofsoul · Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Posts: 256 Location: Fl

Swampfox.f wrote: Zadoc wrote: Thrilla wrote: Quote: Affirmative Action should exist in leveling the playing field between economic standings, not between races. no.. it should be abolished... it is governmental discrimination.

So, you are in favor of keeping poor Americans in the ghettos then, yes?

So you are saying only blacks and minorities are poor? What of all the help minorities get in the middle and upper class? Should the fact that they are not supreme in numbers give them special privelages?

Well I'm white and grew up in the ghetto, and I am still here somewhat, and I think affirmative action is rascist, just like the negro college fund...If people wan't to live there lives in gangs, selling drugs, etc., they can do how they please, but they can go to college if they want to(or the military), if not, they arnt worthy too anyways. We do have freewill.

Vexillum · Joined: 12 Nov 2006 Posts: 466

Blacks need Affirmative Action if you want them to be in college and professional jobs.

Zadoc · Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 199 Location: Phoenix, AZ

Swampfox.f wrote: Zadoc wrote: Thrilla wrote: Quote: Affirmative Action should exist in leveling the playing field between economic standings, not between races. no.. it should be abolished... it is governmental discrimination.

So, you are in favor of keeping poor Americans in the ghettos then, yes?

So you are saying only blacks and minorities are poor?

Did I say that? It is quite clear that you did not read my post. Why are you even bothering to respond in this thread without having read the post?

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 11660 Location: Zagreb

Vexillum wrote: Blacks need Affirmative Action if you want them to be in college and professional jobs.

so blacks are just too stupid and poor to get into college themselves?

Zadoc · Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 199 Location: Phoenix, AZ

The Comrade wrote: Zadoc wrote:
So, you are in favor of keeping poor Americans in the ghettos then, yes?

no one is in favor of that. we're in favor of equality.

So am I. Did you read my post? Hmm?

Ozzone · Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject:

The Comrade wrote: Zadoc wrote:
So, you are in favor of keeping poor Americans in the ghettos then, yes?

no one is in favor of that. we're in favor of equality.

when someone doesn't get into a college because they aren't white, or because they have the money to pay for it, that is discrimination.

Having more money isn't discrimination except in the eyes of a socialist.

Zadoc · Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 199 Location: Phoenix, AZ

Ozzone wrote: The Comrade wrote: Zadoc wrote:
So, you are in favor of keeping poor Americans in the ghettos then, yes?

no one is in favor of that. we're in favor of equality.

when someone doesn't get into a college because they aren't white, or because they have the money to pay for it, that is discrimination.

Having more money isn't discrimination except in the eyes of a socialist.

Keeping money is an upper-ultra-eletist class and passing laws to prevent the middle and lower classes from obtaining wealth is discrimination in the eyes of any human being who is not a bigot.

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 11660 Location: Zagreb

Zadoc wrote:

So am I. Did you read my post? Hmm?

giving one group an unfair advantage for simply existing is not equality.

soldierofsoul · Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Posts: 256 Location: Fl

America is full of double standards, I wish people would stop whining, get a job, stop living on welfare.

Zadoc · Joined: 09 Nov 2006 Posts: 199 Location: Phoenix, AZ

The Comrade wrote: Zadoc wrote:

So am I. Did you read my post? Hmm?

giving one group an unfair advantage for simply existing is not equality.

If you can show me where I advocate giving one group an unfair advantage I will give you a dollar.

Thrilla · Joined: 23 May 2005 Posts: 20866 Location: Sin City

Zadoc wrote: Ozzone wrote: The Comrade wrote: Zadoc wrote:
So, you are in favor of keeping poor Americans in the ghettos then, yes?

no one is in favor of that. we're in favor of equality.

when someone doesn't get into a college because they aren't white, or because they have the money to pay for it, that is discrimination.

Having more money isn't discrimination except in the eyes of a socialist.

Keeping money is an upper-ultra-eletist class and passing laws to prevent the middle and lower classes from obtaining wealth is discrimination in the eyes of any human being who is not a bigot. if keeping my money makes me a bigot....so be it... call me a bigot.
what law sare passed to prevent obtaining wealth?

AA is still discriminatory and as.. such should be abolished, never to be brought back.

Ozzone · Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 5:14 pm Post subject:

Zadoc wrote: Ozzone wrote: The Comrade wrote: Zadoc wrote:
So, you are in favor of keeping poor Americans in the ghettos then, yes?

no one is in favor of that. we're in favor of equality.

when someone doesn't get into a college because they aren't white, or because they have the money to pay for it, that is discrimination.

Having more money isn't discrimination except in the eyes of a socialist.

Keeping money is an upper-ultra-eletist class and passing laws to prevent the middle and lower classes from obtaining wealth is discrimination in the eyes of any human being who is not a bigot.

upper-ultra-eletist class? :rofl: Keeping money is something everyone does or wants to do that isn't a SOCIALIST. (P.S. Learn how to spell elite - it should be on the first page of the Socialist Bible in the chapter on Evil).

Show me a single law that prevents middle and lower classes from obtaining wealth. Just one law. I'll be waiting.

And like Thrilla said, if keeping money is being a bigot, call me MASTER BIGOT. I don't really care if it offends you.

ontheyslay · Joined: 26 Oct 2006 Posts: 274 Location: Michigan

soldierofsoul wrote: America is full of double standards, I wish people would stop whining, get a job, stop living on welfare.

I know man, these poor people need to get off their lazy ass and get a $90,000 a year job. I mean all you have to do is go to college, and what's that? All it takes is thousands of dollars a semester, while at the same time trying to pay gas, food, and bills. And if they have kids, all they have to pay is like what 250 to 300 a week for day care, that's nothing. :roll:

Someone who has no money needs government help to get a college degree, welfare programs can help immensely. You just need to fix it so it cannot be abused.