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[Heinz]

Swampfox.f wrote: bigstick61 wrote: While I think there are suitable grounds for Bush's impeachment, I see absolutely none for Cheney. In any case, I feel that at this point, it would be rather pointless to do so. Bush has just over two years left in office and will be under more scrutiny and will not be able to do much, so all this will do is divide the nation further.

Cheney's financial ties to Halliburton and his relation to PNAC and the MIC.

So he made money in the real world.....

This is a capitalism after all.

[Lumina]

Someone refresh my memory please. Cheney's being the CEO of Halliburton for a few years in the mid-'90's is a problem...why?

And Halliburton is the bogeyman...why? Because it can provide needed services more reliably and competently than other companies?

[Clarino]

Didn't Halliburton make a sh!tload of $$$$ from contracts awarded for the rebuilding of Iraq's infrastructure? Didn't they win those contracts uncontested? Seems fishy to me, but what do I know?

[cap'n queasy]

Not many businesses have the ability to do some of the things that Halliburton is specifically designed to do.

[blockhead]

Lumina wrote: Someone refresh my memory please. Cheney's being the CEO of Halliburton for a few years in the mid-'90's is a problem...why?

And Halliburton is the bogeyman...why? Because it can provide needed services more reliably and competently than other companies?


In the spring of 2000, while serving as Halliburton's CEO, he headed George W. Bush's Vice-Presidential search committee.

Guess who he picked?

[Chymical]

Corporations out of Government.
People in...otherwise this is a plutocracy
Jesus hates plutocracies

[Clarino]

cap'n queasy wrote: Not many businesses have the ability to do some of the things that Halliburton is specifically designed to do.

I'll bet that's what Halliburton says.

[Chymical]

Clarino wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Not many businesses have the ability to do some of the things that Halliburton is specifically designed to do.

I'll bet that's what Halliburton says.

They can charge you $5 for a nail if they like... :lol: get rebuilding! It's ok, it's all tax baby!

[callous]

Impeaching Bush and Cheney is another great win for the people who are destroying this country. It is a supreme distraction from actual problems and a monolythic profit opportunity for media outlets. The things that have happened under Bush's watch have nothing to do with him other than the fact that he signed off on them, which is, considering his well established intelligence quotient, almost no reason to blame anything on him.

[Swampfox.f]

Heinz wrote:

So he made money in the real world.....

This is a capitalism after all.

Yes, but to keep the financial ties and relationships and enter politics to give lucrative rewards to your past relationships and yourself, if you can get away with it, is wrong. Winning a position is not winning the lottery; unless you play politics like the Bush administration.

[Swampfox.f]

cap'n queasy wrote: Not many businesses have the ability to do some of the things that Halliburton is specifically designed to do.

Your right, it takes time, money, and relationships to put your own man in the VP seat. Sit back and reap the rewards.

Not many other companies specificaly molest the white house on this scale.

[Swampfox.f]

cap'n queasy wrote: Not many businesses have the ability to do some of the things that Halliburton is specifically designed to do.

Your right halliburton was the only one that invested in kickbacks through the VP. Give a severence package and you win the lottery.

[Swampfox.f]

Lumina wrote: Someone refresh my memory please. Cheney's being the CEO of Halliburton for a few years in the mid-'90's is a problem...why?

And Halliburton is the bogeyman...why? Because it can provide needed services more reliably and competently than other companies?

You mean with more overhead and price gouging? His financial ties to halliburton and his relationships should have negated any halliburton contracts to begin with, but he still hand delivered them in a fashion unsees until the Cheney administration.

[CountryGuy]

Swampfox.f wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Not many businesses have the ability to do some of the things that Halliburton is specifically designed to do.

Your right, it takes time, money, and relationships to put your own man in the VP seat. Sit back and reap the rewards.

Not many other companies specificaly molest the white house on this scale.

This has nothing to do with the point that very few companies have the intellectual capital and resources to do something like this -- Feel free to name a few, rather than say the VP gave it to them.

[blockhead]

CountryGuy wrote: Swampfox.f wrote: cap'n queasy wrote: Not many businesses have the ability to do some of the things that Halliburton is specifically designed to do.

Your right, it takes time, money, and relationships to put your own man in the VP seat. Sit back and reap the rewards.

Not many other companies specificaly molest the white house on this scale.

This has nothing to do with the point that very few companies have the intellectual capital and resources to do something like this -- Feel free to name a few, rather than say the VP gave it to them.

Do something like what?

Build a 7 million dollar prison at GITMO?

Provide water to troops?

[bigstick61]

Quote: Why stop with Bush and Cheney? i.e. It's now know, as it was suspected all along that Rumsfeld personally authorized what happened at prisons in Iraq.

There's also a book coming out, that presents evidence of high crimes for about eight individuals in the Bush Administration, that's written by an individual with a background in law, and the US Court system.

I'd hoped that US Presidents would have learned from the lessons of Nixon, they're not "above the law." I think it's high time the point is proven again.


Personally, I think that until the majority of Congressmen respect the law themselves, and not propose and vote for unconstitutional legislation, they have no room to impeach another government official for the same reasons. To do so would be hypocrisy in the extreme. Congress breaks the law even more than the President, and I'm talking about most of the members from both parties. Exceptions to this are very few.

[Refrozen Seabass]

callous wrote: Impeaching Bush and Cheney is another great win for the people who are destroying this country. It is a supreme distraction from actual problems and a monolythic profit opportunity for media outlets. The things that have happened under Bush's watch have nothing to do with him other than the fact that he signed off on them, which is, considering his well established intelligence quotient, almost no reason to blame anything on him.

It's part of the function of the U.S. government. If the President of the United States has committed an impeachable offense (or twelve), then it is the duty of the House to impeach him.

If he signed it, he's responsible. The buck stops right here.

[Refrozen Seabass]

Once upon a time the military ran its own mess halls, I believe. Suddenly there's a need not just to hire a private outfit, but an oilfield services company. That it happens to be the oilfield service company the VP was running just before entering the White House is a staggering coincidence, if you believe in coincidence.

[Heinz]

Quote: If he signed it, he's responsible. The buck stops right here

The thing is a lot of the members of congress and the senate signed it too. Maybe that's why they aren't to thrilled about persuing impeachment.

[gavnook]

cap'n queasy wrote: Not many businesses have the ability to do some of the things that Halliburton is specifically designed to do.

Such as?