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Otacon
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The Newb wrote: mr.snruB wrote: Progress vs. Gloom and Doom, ie: Fantasy vs. Reality
what would you tell an i witness, say a soldier, who claims there is plenty of good happening in iraq?
Terrorism is worse now than prior to the invasion. Besides, the Iraqi people don't really want us in their country, so why can't we respect their wishes and leave? |
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rhill230
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Quote: what would you tell an i witness, say a soldier, who claims there is plenty of good happening in iraq?
What would you say if I told you that I just talked to someone who just got back from Iraq not two weeks ago and he said that the country is in total chaos right now?
We can play the "I talked to this guy game" all day. |
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The American
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: Progress v. Gloom and Doom in Iraq |
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Chingu wrote: There are those who want to focus only on the terrible things going on in Iraq. we know about those because the media focuses on them and the complicit socialist left reinforces the view that nothing is going right. Well, I'm here to tell you that there are a lot of things going right despite the fact that there are also things going wrong.
the reality is that the vast majority of Iraqi's are peace loving people who simply want to live their lives without the fear of getting burned to death or shot in the head or bombed. Our mission, in supporting the freely elected Iraqi government, is to assist the Iraqi government and that vast majority of people in succeeding to accomplish that goal. That's not an easy task obviously.
We face enemies of peace and stability in Iraq. these enemies come in many forms and are driven by many motivations. But there is one thing that is common among them all. These enemies are evil and terrible people who need to be stopped.
So, to contrast the never ending and biased onslaught of negativity and sensationalized news and rhetoric from the left - I am posting just a peek at some of the positive things going on. there are many more things which I could post and probably will -but alas, I have to cook yet another Thanksgiving meal for those in my familiy - myself included - who were unable to take part in the traditional one.
https://www.rebuilding-iraq.net/portal/page?_pageid=95,1&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsUfB-hL-7khttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4wvnT1vERQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh6VX1M3Sgw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqp67yfO0cc
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/24182.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghdwdS72aoA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVfe8dpodJI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mxJUADeBdo
http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=645861
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGmTWw4cr0w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tKIBgPSf0g
http://newdelhi.usembassy.gov/cdare8.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve7Q8OTHPcU
And I could just keep this list going and going.
You see how some with media being complicit, fail to show you the real story. The focus only on the negative. There is reality, and then there is the socialist left's alternate reality where everything s*cks and everything is bad and nothing will ever work. One is forced to wonder what exactly it is that the far left wants? Do they want the world to fall apart into Chaos? That seems the case.
One poster here decided that the following was more important to show you than what I have posted. I'm lending balance. It's easy to pick out a few bad apples doing sorry stuff but it is terrible to portray it as typical. It isn't.
Our other poster posted this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9A_vxIOB-I&eurl=
"Winning hearts and minds"
See Sami run
See America run
Out of tune with the Universe
Disgusting!
Well, it is disgusting. But, rational people can see how the stress and mental fatigue of a war torn place like that can effect some people. These folks are not a good representation of what we do. The ones I've depicted in my links are. And, I would suggest that there are 1,000 to 1 good v bad apples in our military.
Changing the face of the Middle East as we have known, is not an easy task. Especially when the media is focused on it, as they lent ways of undermining in previous wars. They tend to leak ways we use to stop terrorist attacks to the world. However, during and in the midst of civil uproar in Iraq, there are many positive things taking place. Improvements are hard to find, that are being reported. It is not because they do not exist, it is because they are ignored.
Quote: Help Iraq Build Government Capacity and Provide Essential Services
The Assyria Women’s Center was dedicated this month. The $230,000 Commander's
Emergency Response Program (CERP) project is a 400 square-meter facility that
includes computers and sewing machines to encourage female business opportunities
and benefits 4,600 Assyria Village residents as well as other area women.
Increase International Support for Iraq
The European Commission launched talks with the Iraqi government in Brussels on
November 20 for a bilateral trade and co-operation agreement. The accord aims to
boost the European Union’s relations with Iraq and integrate the country into the
world economy.
Transition Iraq to Security Self-Reliance – Iraqi Security
Forces
Total Trained & Equipped ISF:
~322,600****
Ministry of Defense Forces = ~134,400** TOTAL
Ministry of Interior Forces = ~188,200** TOTAL
* Ministry of Interior Forces: Unauthorized absence personnel are included in these numbers
** Ministry of Defense Forces: Unauthorized absence personnel are not included in these numbers
*** Army numbers include Special Operations Forces and Support Forces
**** Does not include the approximately 144,000 Facilities Protection Service personnel working in 27
ministries
Data as of November 15, 2006
Employment Update:
Iraqis Last Week = 106,255
Last Week = 107,191
% Increase on the Week = 0.88%
CERP employment numbers are representative of Baghdad only.
Crude Oil Production
Weekly Average (November 13 – 19) of 2.20 Million Barrels Per Day (MBPD)
Crude Oil Export
• 2005 Revenue Estimate: $23.5 Billion
• 2006 Revenue Estimate: $28.5 Billion (Year to Date)
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/76862.pdf
There is 20 more pages of progress in Iraq just this last week. This includes weapon recovery, taken from insurgency. It does not get reported, and whether people like it or not, life goes on there. People do not cower in there homes afraid to go outside due to violent attacks. They are concerned about their future, and they desire peace.
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Heinz
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Quote: Where did I state that I support violence against violence? I support only passive resistance.
Is that what you call kidnapping Israeli soldiers? Lose the semantics as no one here is a politican.
Quote: I don't support terrorism, whether it's Coalition, Palestinian, or Israeli terrorism, so don't put words into my mouth. It doesn't make your position look any better.
You just use semantics to support your position. Try harder next time. I also like how you adress nothing else in the post. |
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The American
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Otacon wrote: The Newb wrote: mr.snruB wrote: Progress vs. Gloom and Doom, ie: Fantasy vs. Reality
what would you tell an i witness, say a soldier, who claims there is plenty of good happening in iraq?
Terrorism is worse now than prior to the invasion. Besides, the Iraqi people don't really want us in their country, so why can't we respect their wishes and leave?
Why should we respect the wishes of such a low percentage? |
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mr.snruB
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The Newb wrote: mr.snruB wrote: Progress vs. Gloom and Doom, ie: Fantasy vs. Reality
what would you tell an i witness, say a soldier, who claims there is plenty of good happening in iraq?
The same thing I'd tell someone who said that there is no crime/poverty in New York after only going to Broadway |
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The Newb
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rhill230 wrote: Quote: what would you tell an i witness, say a soldier, who claims there is plenty of good happening in iraq?
What would you say if I told you that I just talked to someone who just got back from Iraq not two weeks ago and he said that the country is in total chaos right now?
We can play the "I talked to this guy game" all day.
i didnt "talk" to anybody i am that guy that sees more than doom and gloom i was there all of 2005 so i will not play that game either |
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The Newb
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mr.snruB wrote: The Newb wrote: mr.snruB wrote: Progress vs. Gloom and Doom, ie: Fantasy vs. Reality
what would you tell an i witness, say a soldier, who claims there is plenty of good happening in iraq?
The same thing I'd tell someone who said that there is no crime/poverty in New York after only going to Broadway
so when i was staioned in baghdad for all of 2005 and saw with my own eyes good things happening it is not good enough for you? sure there is bad, there are bombings, and kidnappings, and murder, yet there is good that NO ONE on the left even acknowledge .... |
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mr.snruB
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The Newb wrote: rhill230 wrote: Quote: what would you tell an i witness, say a soldier, who claims there is plenty of good happening in iraq?
What would you say if I told you that I just talked to someone who just got back from Iraq not two weeks ago and he said that the country is in total chaos right now?
We can play the "I talked to this guy game" all day.
i didnt "talk" to anybody i am that guy that sees more than doom and gloom i was there all of 2005 so i will not play that game either
Where were you in Iraq? |
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The Newb
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mr.snruB wrote: The Newb wrote: rhill230 wrote: Quote: what would you tell an i witness, say a soldier, who claims there is plenty of good happening in iraq?
What would you say if I told you that I just talked to someone who just got back from Iraq not two weeks ago and he said that the country is in total chaos right now?
We can play the "I talked to this guy game" all day.
i didnt "talk" to anybody i am that guy that sees more than doom and gloom i was there all of 2005 so i will not play that game either
Where were you in Iraq?
baghdad, youposted at the same time as me appearently |
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Vexillum
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The claim that Iraq has a Free Press is about as true Bush's claim that Iraq was full of stockpiles of WMDs. The US military regularly plants stories in the Iraq media and media outlets have to be careful to avoid being charged with sedition.
Those who lied America into war would like the media to ignore the massive death and suffering in Iraq and instead paint a rosy picture. They want the American people to support more wars. |
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mr.snruB
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The Newb wrote: mr.snruB wrote: The Newb wrote: mr.snruB wrote: Progress vs. Gloom and Doom, ie: Fantasy vs. Reality
what would you tell an i witness, say a soldier, who claims there is plenty of good happening in iraq?
The same thing I'd tell someone who said that there is no crime/poverty in New York after only going to Broadway
so when i was staioned in baghdad for all of 2005 and saw with my own eyes good things happening it is not good enough for you? sure there is bad, there are bombings, and kidnappings, and murder, yet there is good that NO ONE on the left even acknowledge ....
Like what |
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Yukimor
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| Chingu, Chingu, Don't you know that wars have always been going on in the mid-east? You speak like you know their culture. Their bible might not tell them to go and kill their own race, but hey, their religion does. |
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The Newb
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mr.snruB wrote: The Newb wrote: mr.snruB wrote: The Newb wrote: mr.snruB wrote: Progress vs. Gloom and Doom, ie: Fantasy vs. Reality
what would you tell an i witness, say a soldier, who claims there is plenty of good happening in iraq?
The same thing I'd tell someone who said that there is no crime/poverty in New York after only going to Broadway
so when i was staioned in baghdad for all of 2005 and saw with my own eyes good things happening it is not good enough for you? sure there is bad, there are bombings, and kidnappings, and murder, yet there is good that NO ONE on the left even acknowledge ....
Like what
[url]https://www.rebuilding-iraq.net/portal/page?_pageid=95,1&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL [/url]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsUfB-hL-7k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4wvnT1v
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh6VX1M3SgwERQ [/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqp67yfO0cc [/url]
[url]http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/24182.htm [/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghdwdS72aoA [/url]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVfe8dpodJI
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mxJUADeBdo [/url]
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=645861 [/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGmTWw4cr0w [/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tKIBgPSf0g [/url][url]http://newdelhi.usembassy.gov/cdare8.html [/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve7Q8OTHPcU [/url]
you didnt see the OP? that is only a small percentage of things but a good represenative of |
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The American
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| Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Vexillum wrote: The claim that Iraq has a Free Press is about as true Bush's claim that Iraq was full of stockpiles of WMDs. The US military regularly plants stories in the Iraq media and media outlets have to be careful to avoid being charged with sedition.
Those who lied America into war would like the media to ignore the massive death and suffering in Iraq and instead paint a rosy picture. They want the American people to support more wars.
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The American
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Yukimor wrote: Chingu, Chingu, Don't you know that wars have always been going on in the mid-east? You speak like you know their culture. Their bible might not tell them to go and kill their own race, but hey, their religion does.
Quote it, and give reference please. |
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mr.snruB
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The Newb wrote: mr.snruB wrote: The Newb wrote: mr.snruB wrote: The Newb wrote: mr.snruB wrote: Progress vs. Gloom and Doom, ie: Fantasy vs. Reality
what would you tell an i witness, say a soldier, who claims there is plenty of good happening in iraq?
The same thing I'd tell someone who said that there is no crime/poverty in New York after only going to Broadway
so when i was staioned in baghdad for all of 2005 and saw with my own eyes good things happening it is not good enough for you? sure there is bad, there are bombings, and kidnappings, and murder, yet there is good that NO ONE on the left even acknowledge ....
Like what
[url]https://www.rebuilding-iraq.net/portal/page?_pageid=95,1&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL [/url]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsUfB-hL-7k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4wvnT1v
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh6VX1M3SgwERQ [/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqp67yfO0cc [/url]
[url]http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/24182.htm [/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghdwdS72aoA [/url]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVfe8dpodJI
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mxJUADeBdo [/url]
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=645861 [/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGmTWw4cr0w [/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tKIBgPSf0g [/url][url]http://newdelhi.usembassy.gov/cdare8.html [/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve7Q8OTHPcU [/url]
you didnt see the OP? that is only a small percentage of things but a good represenative of
Do you mind simply telling me what all those links contains? I don't feel like going on for half an hour following all of the links trying to get a little information |
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Yukimor
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| Oh yeah, and why should we be involved in the war? Because of OIL :x Duh, i don't care how the republicans try to justify it, WE are in it for the OIl, other people try to say, well, their refineries are no good, that's total B.S. we could go over, pump oil for one moth and that money will pay for the refinery itself! And our stupid, stupid president brought us over there now, and we can't get out! if we do, terrorism will follow us back to the states! :!: |
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The Newb
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mr.snruB wrote: The Newb wrote: mr.snruB wrote: The Newb wrote: mr.snruB wrote: The Newb wrote: mr.snruB wrote: Progress vs. Gloom and Doom, ie: Fantasy vs. Reality
what would you tell an i witness, say a soldier, who claims there is plenty of good happening in iraq?
The same thing I'd tell someone who said that there is no crime/poverty in New York after only going to Broadway
so when i was staioned in baghdad for all of 2005 and saw with my own eyes good things happening it is not good enough for you? sure there is bad, there are bombings, and kidnappings, and murder, yet there is good that NO ONE on the left even acknowledge ....
Like what
[url]https://www.rebuilding-iraq.net/portal/page?_pageid=95,1&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL [/url]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsUfB-hL-7k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4wvnT1v
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh6VX1M3SgwERQ [/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqp67yfO0cc [/url]
[url]http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/24182.htm [/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghdwdS72aoA [/url]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVfe8dpodJI
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mxJUADeBdo [/url]
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/International/IraqCoverage/story?id=645861 [/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGmTWw4cr0w [/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tKIBgPSf0g [/url][url]http://newdelhi.usembassy.gov/cdare8.html [/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve7Q8OTHPcU [/url]
you didnt see the OP? that is only a small percentage of things but a good represenative of
Do you mind simply telling me what all those links contains? I don't feel like going on for half an hour following all of the links trying to get a little information
that would be the porblem that we are having with the left, lack of wanting to veiw things contradictory to what they "believe" to be the status qou..... |
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The American
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Yukimor wrote: Oh yeah, and why should we be involved in the war? Because of OIL :x Duh, i don't care how the republicans try to justify it, WE are in it for the OIl, other people try to say, well, their refineries are no good, that's total B.S. we could go over, pump oil for one moth and that money will pay for the refinery itself! And our stupid, stupid president brought us over there now, and we can't get out! if we do, terrorism will follow us back to the states! :!:
Quote: Don't you know that wars have always been going on in the mid-east? You speak like you know their culture. Their bible might not tell them to go and kill their own race, but hey, their religion does.
Quote it, and give reference please. |
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