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[ToonArmyIsComing]

ontheyslay wrote: ToonArmyIsComing wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: pyrophasma wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: What is the greatest country now then? Have you been there? Is it tempting to stay? Just curious. 8:)

Poland, of course.

Im going to agree, poland is flat out amazing.

Amazing? IF it weren't for the EU money, it wouldn't havee been that good.

What's your point? It's still one of the best countries to live in, regardless of where they received their funding.

Is it really that great? I don't think Poland is that great to be honest. I'd rather live in one of the Nordic countries or where I am right now: Canada.

[ontheyslay]

The Comrade wrote: ontheyslay wrote:
I said the most money and biggest miltary does not constitute the best country in the world. You have to take into account access to quality health care, education quality, standards of living, racial equality, government corruption levels, and the level of freedom. All of which, now that Bush has been in office, have seriously lacked behind most western European countries.

europe is mostly socialist. and the reason they all have healthcare is because the government taxes the s**t out of it's citizens. our education is some of hte best in the world. we actually educate everyone, unlike almost the entire world which educates the rich and the bright. almost all of the world is steeped in racism and racial inequality. government corruption does not make a country bad, it makes a government bad. and america is currently one of the most free nations in the world.

Yeah they tax the hell out of their citizens, and guess what, they all have health care, what a concept. Our education is pretty good when you compare the smartest in Europe with the smartest in the US. You're argument that the rest of the world only educates the rich doesn't really apply to most of Europe. Sweden has an extensive preschool, mid-level education, and higher education program. There are also less poor in advanced European countries. Government corruption occurs in all governments, and if you look at the level of US government corruption with that of Denmark for example, it's higher in the US.

[The Comrade]

ontheyslay wrote:
Yeah they tax the hell out of their citizens, and guess what, they all have health care, what a concept.

okay you support raising taxes to asinine amounts. good on ya.


ontheyslay wrote:
Our education is pretty good when you compare the smartest in Europe with the smartest in the US. You're argument that the rest of the world only educates the rich doesn't really apply to most of Europe. Sweden has an extensive preschool, mid-level education, and higher education program.


then there really isn't anything to argue, is there?


ontheyslay wrote:
There are also less poor in advanced European countries.

Because america has atleast five times the population of european countries and has unchecked immigration of poor aliens coming into the country.


ontheyslay wrote:
Government corruption occurs in all governments, and if you look at the level of US government corruption with that of Denmark for example, it's higher in the US.

that doesn't make a country bad. it makes a governmentbad.

[Kumar]

Ozzone wrote: If America isn't the GREATEST country in the world anymore - WHAT IS??????
It's completely subjective. Anyone living in a developed nation can present a strong case for why their country is the greatest in the world, depending on the criteria they use.

[ilovebushnotdick]

kvee wrote: Let's face it our education system s*cks, not only that but our hospitals are going down, we are hated around the world, we are losing alot of money, we are gaining more and more people within poverty. What do you guys think?
i think if i watch FOXNEWS wherever in the world i may be, the impression i get is that AMERICA totally ROCKS

[War Approving Democrat]

ontheyslay wrote: The Comrade wrote: ontheyslay wrote:
I said the most money and biggest miltary does not constitute the best country in the world. You have to take into account access to quality health care, education quality, standards of living, racial equality, government corruption levels, and the level of freedom. All of which, now that Bush has been in office, have seriously lacked behind most western European countries.

europe is mostly socialist. and the reason they all have healthcare is because the government taxes the s**t out of it's citizens. our education is some of hte best in the world. we actually educate everyone, unlike almost the entire world which educates the rich and the bright. almost all of the world is steeped in racism and racial inequality. government corruption does not make a country bad, it makes a government bad. and america is currently one of the most free nations in the world.

Yeah they tax the hell out of their citizens, and guess what, they all have health care, what a concept. Our education is pretty good when you compare the smartest in Europe with the smartest in the US. You're argument that the rest of the world only educates the rich doesn't really apply to most of Europe. Sweden has an extensive preschool, mid-level education, and higher education program. There are also less poor in advanced European countries. Government corruption occurs in all governments, and if you look at the level of US government corruption with that of Denmark for example, it's higher in the US.
Yeah the health care is NOT free. You pay for it in taxes and you pay for the poorer people too. This puts a burden on the rich that is not needed and it creates a bureaucracy on the health care system if all claims has to go through the government. Education is outdated yes but it is still good and again the government should only be responsible through high school because you increase the burden of the rich to pull the poor up. And the rich should not be forced to give to poor through any welfare if they want to that is why we have charity. Dose anyone have percentages of poverty because the population of European countries are much fewer than America's. Government corruption means bad government not nation.

[TheGirlNextDoor]

I think if you hate America that is fine and dandy. Nobody is forced to stay here, unless they're spending time at one of our lovely Federal Penitentiaries.. then naturally, they will be forced to stay.

So what's keeping you?

I really could give a flying rats ass if we are hated world wide. If I was that concerned about it, I'd pack up my family, denounce my citizenship and move out.

If you don't like it, that's your right. It's also my right to say, "Ya know.. it may not be perfect, but I love it here and this is where I'll stay."

If anyone knows where the country of Utopia is, be sure and let me know. It would be nice to live in a country that had no problems whatsoever and that everyone world wide just loved to pieces. :roll:

[Mr. Sunshine]

pyrophasma wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: What is the greatest country now then? Have you been there? Is it tempting to stay? Just curious. 8:)

Poland, of course.

Thanks to American intervention in WW II and the Cold War. :-D

[Kumar]

War Approving Democrat wrote: ontheyslay wrote: The Comrade wrote: ontheyslay wrote:
I said the most money and biggest miltary does not constitute the best country in the world. You have to take into account access to quality health care, education quality, standards of living, racial equality, government corruption levels, and the level of freedom. All of which, now that Bush has been in office, have seriously lacked behind most western European countries.

europe is mostly socialist. and the reason they all have healthcare is because the government taxes the s**t out of it's citizens. our education is some of hte best in the world. we actually educate everyone, unlike almost the entire world which educates the rich and the bright. almost all of the world is steeped in racism and racial inequality. government corruption does not make a country bad, it makes a government bad. and america is currently one of the most free nations in the world.

Yeah they tax the hell out of their citizens, and guess what, they all have health care, what a concept. Our education is pretty good when you compare the smartest in Europe with the smartest in the US. You're argument that the rest of the world only educates the rich doesn't really apply to most of Europe. Sweden has an extensive preschool, mid-level education, and higher education program. There are also less poor in advanced European countries. Government corruption occurs in all governments, and if you look at the level of US government corruption with that of Denmark for example, it's higher in the US.
Yeah the health care is NOT free. You pay for it in taxes and you pay for the poorer people too. This puts a burden on the rich that is not needed and it creates a bureaucracy on the health care system if all claims has to go through the government. Education is outdated yes but it is still good and again the government should only be responsible through high school because you increase the burden of the rich to pull the poor up. And the rich should not be forced to give to poor through any welfare if they want to that is why we have charity. Dose anyone have percentages of poverty because the population of European countries are much fewer than America's. Government corruption means bad government not nation.
The taxes paid in a country like Sweden do far more than just provide healthcare. They also ensure free daycare, free education (all the way through graduate school), and extensive family-friendly benefits. It's also inproper to say the rich are paying for the poor, since Scandinavian society in general has far more equal wealth distribution and lesser stratification.

I also don't understand why people have the impression that programs like universal healthcare are extraordinarily expensive. The Canadian government pays 50% less per capita for healthcare than the US government does.

[War Approving Democrat]

Kumar wrote: War Approving Democrat wrote: ontheyslay wrote: The Comrade wrote: ontheyslay wrote:
I said the most money and biggest miltary does not constitute the best country in the world. You have to take into account access to quality health care, education quality, standards of living, racial equality, government corruption levels, and the level of freedom. All of which, now that Bush has been in office, have seriously lacked behind most western European countries.

europe is mostly socialist. and the reason they all have healthcare is because the government taxes the s**t out of it's citizens. our education is some of hte best in the world. we actually educate everyone, unlike almost the entire world which educates the rich and the bright. almost all of the world is steeped in racism and racial inequality. government corruption does not make a country bad, it makes a government bad. and america is currently one of the most free nations in the world.

Yeah they tax the hell out of their citizens, and guess what, they all have health care, what a concept. Our education is pretty good when you compare the smartest in Europe with the smartest in the US. You're argument that the rest of the world only educates the rich doesn't really apply to most of Europe. Sweden has an extensive preschool, mid-level education, and higher education program. There are also less poor in advanced European countries. Government corruption occurs in all governments, and if you look at the level of US government corruption with that of Denmark for example, it's higher in the US.
Yeah the health care is NOT free. You pay for it in taxes and you pay for the poorer people too. This puts a burden on the rich that is not needed and it creates a bureaucracy on the health care system if all claims has to go through the government. Education is outdated yes but it is still good and again the government should only be responsible through high school because you increase the burden of the rich to pull the poor up. And the rich should not be forced to give to poor through any welfare if they want to that is why we have charity. Dose anyone have percentages of poverty because the population of European countries are much fewer than America's. Government corruption means bad government not nation.
The taxes paid in a country like Sweden do far more than just provide healthcare. They also ensure free daycare, free education (all the way through graduate school), and extensive family-friendly benefits. It's also inproper to say the rich are paying for the poor, since Scandinavian society in general has far more equal wealth distribution and lesser stratification.

I also don't understand why people have the impression that programs like universal healthcare are extraordinarily expensive. The Canadian government pays 50% less per capita for healthcare than the US government does.

I know that it pays for more than healthcare but the rich should not be forced to support the poor through these programs. and for universal healthcare America has a higher amount of Bureaucracy and how long are the waits in general wait to get things done in Canada? I have know people who lived in Canada who said that it took six months to get a MRI done there. Think about how long that will be in America?

[pyrophasma]

Kumar wrote:
The taxes paid in a country like Sweden do far more than just provide healthcare. They also ensure free daycare, free education (all the way through graduate school), and extensive family-friendly benefits. It's also inproper to say the rich are paying for the poor, since Scandinavian society in general has far more equal wealth distribution and lesser stratification.


So, people pretty much don't pay for more than they receive in benefits. If that's the case, why have the government as a middleman? Why not just buy your services yourself directly, instead of them being bought for your behalf by the government with taxes you pay them?

Social systems exist soley for many people to get more than they pay into it. Otherwise, what's the point?

[Mafioso]

Comparing the brave and heroic minute men to the disgusting tactics of the barbarian terrorists who chop the heads off and blow up Innocent people is just plain ludicrous! And it needs to stop.

[kvee]

kvee wrote: Let's face it our education system s*cks, not only that but our hospitals are going down, we are hated around the world, we are losing alot of money, we are gaining more and more people within poverty. What do you guys think? It seems like we are the British and Iraq are like the Minute men, lets put it in that context.


About the education system... lets face it our secondary education s*cks.... good news is that there has been an influx on people graduating highschool and going off to higher education (that's why college admissions are getting more strict now due to, too many people applying). More good news is that we have the best colleges in the world that recruit the smartest kids from around the world (Harvard, MIT, Darthmouth , UT =]) The bad news is people in the math and science field in our country are becoming jobless (engineers) many engineering jobs our being outsourced to people in asia, india, and china in particular. This was told to me by a professor at Rice University.

Another major flaw in the American culture is our fast food culture. Obesity is leading #1 for preventable death in the U.S.... Go look at Europe so many hot , fit, girls walking around,.... Dont you want that? America is the fattest nation in the world!

[TheGirlNextDoor]

Zadoc wrote: Thrilla wrote: Zadoc wrote: Thrilla wrote:

now... are you going to substantiate your statements? (<--- that's a question mark )



Yes, and it is also so close to being an actual sentance too!

Still, though, you have yet to demonstrate that you are in tenure of any type of mental aptitude that would be necessary to challenge any statement that I have made.

If you make a challenge, I will refute you as effortlessly as I squash a cockroach, or anyone else who is at your level of reason. Until then, I deem that your comments lack any and all raison d'être.

Here is an example, "I disagree with statement X because of reasons, A, B and C."

Learn the rules of debate.

However, you have yet to take a position, make on clear, or communicate in complete sentences.

Perhaps first you should learn the rules of English.

Really, your continuous murder of the English language makes understanding you a convoluted task.

What is your excuse for this? I am a wrong to assume that you are a grown adult?

If so, then you have no excuse to have English skills that a ten year old could put to shame. The way that you communicate in this forum is equitant to walking down Time Square wearing a t-shirt that says, "My Penis is < 1 inch... erect."

this will be your last post insulting me....either by you choosing to change you style.. or by me choosing for you....i said i was done with your game.... do not test me

I like how you lose with grace! I guess if you can't win it's just as fun to be a bully?

I have reported this post of yours.

You need to check your PM's - Zadoc.

[Vakten]

kvee wrote: Let's face it our education system s*cks, not only that but our hospitals are going down, we are hated around the world, we are losing alot of money, we are gaining more and more people within poverty. What do you guys think? It seems like we are the British and Iraq are like the Minute men, lets put it in that context.

How can America be #1 when our leaders do not even acknowledge that America even exists?

Bush thinks our borders are speedbumps imparing the spread of not-so free trade, and he thinks he should lead the way pairing every willing worker with every willing employer.

Tom Tancredo ..every time the president says this... petitions Bush with the question mark/exclamation point responce to this by saying "Every...willing worker!?"

To hell with American's education systems which where not prepared for Americans that have to compete with a world full of workers that may be better educated then we are... Alot of Americans got good "after" school and became the brains that they became while working on the job. Good ol OJT.

To hell with the healthcare system that aren't ready to have a world of people to care for. If we're going to pair every worker with every willing employer, then our hospitals have to be prepared for the extra load do they not? On this topic, what about health insurance....we got alot more workers to cover too don't we if we're going to be open to the world? Yet we aren't ready for that either where we. We're restricted on resources and thus, insurence goes up unless we increase these medical resources to meet the new demand.

To hell with social security that can't even give what it's supposed to to Americans, let alone a world full of people. Yet we're opening it to "new workers" that where once illegal aliens.

To hell with our law enforcement and military that isn't prepared to deal with a world full of crime. The world is filled with alot more crime then just the homegrown crime that springs from America. But when you have a "1 world" philosophy, and no partners in the world to help you...you gotta defend yourself. But our leaders won't look at that.

We ran headfirst into free trade with no thought what-so-ever. I blame Clinton for signing us up for this, and I blame Bush for running with it.

Do you all realize that we don't even have an option? Both parties are free traders. Both parties think that "1 world" is a good thing.

I don't feel that way. I feel that America's borders aren't speed bumps. They are a measure of our soverienty.

If we defend them from invasion, and use them to help our homegrown businesses compete with a world full of people that desire nothing but to exploit us, we'd be in a whole lot better position.

[milton friedman]

Ozzone wrote: Thrilla wrote: Zadoc wrote: Thrilla wrote: Zadoc wrote: Thrilla wrote:

now... are you going to substantiate your statements? (<--- that's a question mark )



Yes, and it is also so close to being an actual sentance too!

Still, though, you have yet to demonstrate that you are in tenure of any type of mental aptitude that would be necessary to challenge any statement that I have made.

If you make a challenge, I will refute you as effortlessly as I squash a cockroach, or anyone else who is at your level of reason. Until then, I deem that your comments lack any and all raison d'être.

Here is an example, "I disagree with statement X because of reasons, A, B and C."

Learn the rules of debate.

However, you have yet to take a position, make on clear, or communicate in complete sentences.

Perhaps first you should learn the rules of English.

Really, your continuous murder of the English language makes understanding you a convoluted task.

What is your excuse for this? I am a wrong to assume that you are a grown adult?

If so, then you have no excuse to have English skills that a ten year old could put to shame. The way that you communicate in this forum is equitant to walking down Time Square wearing a t-shirt that says, "My Penis is < 1 inch... erect."

this will be your last post insulting me....either by you choosing to change you style.. or by me choosing for you....i said i was done with your game.... do not test me

I like how you lose with grace! lose what? ... the "be an asshat" game?... ok.. :roll:

Quote: I have reported this post of yours. yes.. i know.. who do you think checks reported posts?



Haha...

[ontheyslay]

TheGirlNextDoor wrote: I think if you hate America that is fine and dandy. Nobody is forced to stay here, unless they're spending time at one of our lovely Federal Penitentiaries.. then naturally, they will be forced to stay.

So what's keeping you?

I really could give a flying rats ass if we are hated world wide. If I was that concerned about it, I'd pack up my family, denounce my citizenship and move out.

If you don't like it, that's your right. It's also my right to say, "Ya know.. it may not be perfect, but I love it here and this is where I'll stay."

If anyone knows where the country of Utopia is, be sure and let me know. It would be nice to live in a country that had no problems whatsoever and that everyone world wide just loved to pieces. :roll:

Just because you don't think America is the best country in the world doesn't mean you hate America, save the Sean Hannity rehetoric for a less educated bunch.

[ontheyslay]

War Approving Democrat wrote: Kumar wrote: War Approving Democrat wrote: ontheyslay wrote: The Comrade wrote: ontheyslay wrote:
I said the most money and biggest miltary does not constitute the best country in the world. You have to take into account access to quality health care, education quality, standards of living, racial equality, government corruption levels, and the level of freedom. All of which, now that Bush has been in office, have seriously lacked behind most western European countries.

europe is mostly socialist. and the reason they all have healthcare is because the government taxes the s**t out of it's citizens. our education is some of hte best in the world. we actually educate everyone, unlike almost the entire world which educates the rich and the bright. almost all of the world is steeped in racism and racial inequality. government corruption does not make a country bad, it makes a government bad. and america is currently one of the most free nations in the world.

Yeah they tax the hell out of their citizens, and guess what, they all have health care, what a concept. Our education is pretty good when you compare the smartest in Europe with the smartest in the US. You're argument that the rest of the world only educates the rich doesn't really apply to most of Europe. Sweden has an extensive preschool, mid-level education, and higher education program. There are also less poor in advanced European countries. Government corruption occurs in all governments, and if you look at the level of US government corruption with that of Denmark for example, it's higher in the US.
Yeah the health care is NOT free. You pay for it in taxes and you pay for the poorer people too. This puts a burden on the rich that is not needed and it creates a bureaucracy on the health care system if all claims has to go through the government. Education is outdated yes but it is still good and again the government should only be responsible through high school because you increase the burden of the rich to pull the poor up. And the rich should not be forced to give to poor through any welfare if they want to that is why we have charity. Dose anyone have percentages of poverty because the population of European countries are much fewer than America's. Government corruption means bad government not nation.
The taxes paid in a country like Sweden do far more than just provide healthcare. They also ensure free daycare, free education (all the way through graduate school), and extensive family-friendly benefits. It's also inproper to say the rich are paying for the poor, since Scandinavian society in general has far more equal wealth distribution and lesser stratification.

I also don't understand why people have the impression that programs like universal healthcare are extraordinarily expensive. The Canadian government pays 50% less per capita for healthcare than the US government does.

I know that it pays for more than healthcare but the rich should not be forced to support the poor through these programs. and for universal healthcare America has a higher amount of Bureaucracy and how long are the waits in general wait to get things done in Canada? I have know people who lived in Canada who said that it took six months to get a MRI done there. Think about how long that will be in America?

Your argument that the rich support the poor is unwarrented, and simply not true. Everyone pays high taxes, not just the rich. The lines are also not that bad either, my father father was visiting Canada over the holidays last year, and they rushed him in wen he had chest pains, because he has heart problems and needed emergency surgery. It depends on the severity of the illness. If someone needs an operation urgently, they will get it.

[psholtz]

pyrophasma wrote: Social systems exist soley for many people to get more than they pay into it. Otherwise, what's the point?
No social welfare system is sustainable over the long term.

They exist only to make you weak and dependent.. easier to control, and if necessary, easier to kill.

Governments should never be trusted in this capacity.

[[Bible]Monkey]

Zadoc wrote: Yes, and it is also so close to being an actual sentance too!

Still, though, you have yet to demonstrate that you are in tenure of any type of mental aptitude that would be necessary to challenge any statement that I have made.

If you make a challenge, I will refute you as effortlessly as I squash a cockroach, or anyone else who is at your level of reason. Until then, I deem that your comments lack any and all raison d'être.

Here is an example, "I disagree with statement X because of reasons, A, B and C."

Learn the rules of debate.

However, you have yet to take a position, make on clear, or communicate in complete sentences.

Perhaps first you should learn the rules of English.

Really, your continuous murder of the English language makes understanding you a convoluted task.

What is your excuse for this? I am a wrong to assume that you are a grown adult?

If so, then you have no excuse to have English skills that a ten year old could put to shame. The way that you communicate in this forum is equitant to walking down Time Square wearing a t-shirt that says, "My Penis is < 1 inch... erect."

In my opinion , your arguements are based in the fragile logic of personal insult and ad hominem. You had made an unsubstantiated assertion about the effect of Republican policy, when questioned , you attacked the questioner ,and the method he used to question you, rather than providing a cogent defense ( when many are available to you).

Your subsequent posts-if you are honest, and examine them objectively yourself-are a continuation of unintelligent ego defense.

Basically, you have shown yourself to be a yap-yap Dog



And Thrilla-a former objective poster-turned-moderator, has again shown himself to be a Doberman-who has to put up with yap-yap dogs, and in your case is showing the patience of Job.........