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[Nelson]

Psholtz: What do you think should be done (if anything) in regards to McDonald's and Coca-Cola? Do you think they are at fault for increases in childhood obesity?

[psholtz]

MG1962 wrote: Quote: There is? I don't remember any American textbook claiming Ben Franklin invented the light bulb.


When I was in the States in Oct - The people I was staying with, their 10 year old had to do an assignment on inventions by Ben Franklin. In the text book she had - it listed the light bulb as one of his.

Given how much he did invent. I was stunned at the error
I heard AG Alberto Gonzales give a speech a couple months ago where he said it's OK for the Bush admin to electronically eavesdrop on Ameicans b/c other great Presidents like Washington and Lincoln also electronically eavesdropped on the people of America.

You could *hear* the reporters' jaws dropping ..

Gonzales didn't even flinch, and he didn't miss a beat.

Needless to say, his comments weren't broadcast on Fox/CNN/NPR..

Let's see... now was that before or after President Washington took his Moon Trip in his hypersonic NASA space place? :think:

Just proves (once again) that America is a completely cursed nation..

* Cursed by idiot leaders
* Cursed by idiot teachers
* Cursed by idiot textbooks

^^ Add those to the list..

[psholtz]

Nelson wrote: Psholtz: What do you think should be done (if anything) in regards to McDonald's and Coca-Cola? Do you think they are at fault for increases in childhood obesity?
Is McDonald's and Coke responsible for obesity (both childhood and adult varieties)?

Yes..

Without a doubt..

They're also responsible for increasing heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc.. as well as probably a range of less common but also destructive digestive disorders like peptic ulcers, liver problems, gallstones, gout, etc..

McDonald's + Coke aren't the only murderers in our food chain, either..

Nutrasweet is a real, real killer. So are genetically modified foods, irradiated foods, etc..

It's utterly insane.

I love America, but I might have to move somewhere abroad just to eat sanely. Even the food you buy in the grocery stores these days is poisoned (genetically modified vegetables; polluted, poisoned, pesticide-laden vegetables; irradiated meats + strawberries, etc). I went to Portugal on vacation for a week this summer, and the most awesome thing about the whole trip was that the food didn't suck!

It was clean, healthy food .. fit for human consumption.

Unlike the garbage they serve you here.

And while cooking for yourself, etc, is better than eating out (at McDonald's, or even at fashionable restaruants), it's still dangerous since even the food you buy in the upscale grocery stores is poisoned, genetically modified, irradiated, etc.

You just can't get away from it in this country.

What can you do about it?

Nothing, really.

You could try to overthrow the military-industrial complex that rules this nation, since they're the one's responsible for the poisoning, but you'd be talking about a total social/economic/political revolution affecting all aspects of American life.

Americans aren't ready for that.

They enjoy their slavery.

They enjoy being fed poisoned food.

You see, poisoned food keeps the doctors in business.

You want a cure for cancer?

Sorry.. can't have that.

That would put all (well.. at least 1/3) of our doctors out of work and out on the streets, panhandling for a daily meal.

Our military-industrial is designed to promote and sell crime, disease, misery and disease.

McDonalds + Coke are the symptoms of that.

[Wizard From Oz]

Quote: And while cooking for yourself, etc, is better than eating out (at McDonald's, or even at fashionable restaruants), it's still dangerous since even the food you buy in the upscale grocery stores is poisoned, genetically modified, irradiated, etc

Think about Tasmania, or more specific, King Island. They are extremely protective of their organic approach to farming

[Nelson]

Unfortunately I feel as though you only answered one of my two questions. Do you think that fast-food restaurants should be legally responsible for obesity in the same sense that cigarette companies have been legally culpable for lung cancer?

[psholtz]

MG1962 wrote: Quote: And while cooking for yourself, etc, is better than eating out (at McDonald's, or even at fashionable restaruants), it's still dangerous since even the food you buy in the upscale grocery stores is poisoned, genetically modified, irradiated, etc

Think about Tasmania, or more specific, King Island. They are extremely protective of their organic approach to farming
I'll have to check it out.. thanks! :tu:

[psholtz]

Nelson wrote: Unfortunately I feel as though you only answered one of my two questions. Do you think that fast-food restaurants should be legally responsible for obesity in the same sense that cigarette companies have been legally culpable for lung cancer?
I don't know that smoking necessarily causes lung cancer..

I don't know that Americans came down w/ lung cancer in especialy high numbers until after WWII..

European smokers still today generally have lower lung cancer rates than American smokers do.

I think a huge amount of the blame can be placed on the fact that the North American continent today is little more than a nuclear wasteland, compliments of your military-industrial complex that's conducted hundreds/thousands of open-air nuclear tests out in Nevada + New Mexico, and then you have all that fallout waft eastward over the rest of the country on the jet stream, etc.

Smoking may be a co-factor, but I think the elevated radiation levels in the air have a lot to do w/ the incidence rate of lung cancer.

Now I do know that cigarette makers add things to the cigarettes to make them even more addictive that normal tobacco .. and that's certainly unethical. They also advertise to minors, which is unethical.

Should fast food be regulated by the government in some manner?

I dunno .. generally speaking all government regulation does is increase the barriers to entry for new companies, and so it's just a way of enforcing or re-inforcing monopolies, etc.

The problem w/ government in general is that it's trying to regulate everything that it SHOULDN'T be regulating, and it's neglecting to regulate the 2 or 3 things that it's Constitutionally responsible for regulating..

According to the Constitution, the government is supposed to regulate the money supply. Do they do that? Nope.. not on your life.

According to the Constitution, the government is supposed to regulate the borders.. Do they do that ? Nope.. no way.

According to the Constitution, the government is supposed to protect individual freedom and liberties.. Do they do that? Don't make me laugh.. :lol:

So you're asking me if they should regulate fast food?

How about they close down the Board of Education, Homeland Security, CIA, FEMA, the FCC, the Federal Reserve, they turn the power of regulating the money supply back to Congress, they slash our military so that we can recall our troops from the 150+ nations they're currently stationed in and bring them back here to serve on the Mexican border, they nix all these free trade deals and they raise tariffs through the roof so we can protect our own jobs and industry and start paying back some of these debts + trade imbalances that are going to do us in if left neglected and then how about they arrest the traitorous criminals who put us in this pickle?

How about the government do all that first?

Then we can talk about regulating the fast food market.

Although I think legally right now they *could* do that.

Bush reclassified fast food as a "manufacturing" industry in late 2004.. and I know the government has all kinds of controls over manufacturing, so it's probably in their power to do some such thing..

[Wizard From Oz]

Quote: MG1962 wrote:
We have the best Eduaction system in the world.
But you actually have to attend school to obtain the benefit.



Sorry but I have to disagree with you there - Any country that has a text book that claims Ben Franklin invented the light bulb is in serious trouble


There is? I don't remember any American textbook claiming Ben Franklin invented the light bulb.

Unless of course it's another country besides the U.S. Maybe it was France because they adored Ben Franklin

Well it seems we are in the same boat as you guys :(

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[War Approving Democrat]

MG1962 wrote: Quote: Where did this person live do you now?

A University town in Kansas
The schools there might not be that great.

[Wizard From Oz]

Quote: MG1962 wrote:
Where did this person live do you now?


A University town in Kansas

The schools there might not be that great.

LOL - see my previous post - I should have the egg off my face by Xmass

[Vakten]

psholtz wrote: Nelson wrote: Psholtz: What do you think should be done (if anything) in regards to McDonald's and Coca-Cola? Do you think they are at fault for increases in childhood obesity?
Is McDonald's and Coke responsible for obesity (both childhood and adult varieties)?

Yes..

Without a doubt..

They're also responsible for increasing heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc.. as well as probably a range of less common but also destructive digestive disorders like peptic ulcers, liver problems, gallstones, gout, etc..

McDonald's + Coke aren't the only murderers in our food chain, either..

Nutrasweet is a real, real killer. So are genetically modified foods, irradiated foods, etc..

It's utterly insane.

I love America, but I might have to move somewhere abroad just to eat sanely. Even the food you buy in the grocery stores these days is poisoned (genetically modified vegetables; polluted, poisoned, pesticide-laden vegetables; irradiated meats + strawberries, etc). I went to Portugal on vacation for a week this summer, and the most awesome thing about the whole trip was that the food didn't suck!

It was clean, healthy food .. fit for human consumption.

Unlike the garbage they serve you here.

And while cooking for yourself, etc, is better than eating out (at McDonald's, or even at fashionable restaruants), it's still dangerous since even the food you buy in the upscale grocery stores is poisoned, genetically modified, irradiated, etc.

You just can't get away from it in this country.

What can you do about it?

Nothing, really.

You could try to overthrow the military-industrial complex that rules this nation, since they're the one's responsible for the poisoning, but you'd be talking about a total social/economic/political revolution affecting all aspects of American life.

Americans aren't ready for that.

They enjoy their slavery.

They enjoy being fed poisoned food.

You see, poisoned food keeps the doctors in business.

You want a cure for cancer?

Sorry.. can't have that.

That would put all (well.. at least 1/3) of our doctors out of work and out on the streets, panhandling for a daily meal.

Our military-industrial is designed to promote and sell crime, disease, misery and disease.

McDonalds + Coke are the symptoms of that.

While doctors look for treatments for cancer....It seems to me that where cancer and other ailments come from most times, is our food suppily.

How we handle it...by practicing personal responcibility and not eating garbage, or by government mandate (because who knows if you can get enough people interested in saving themselves when they can't have their cheeseburgers) I'll leave to others to debate.

It seems to me however, that all this artificial stuff put into our food is killing us off.

[Ozzone]

MG1962 wrote: Quote: There is? I don't remember any American textbook claiming Ben Franklin invented the light bulb.


When I was in the States in Oct - The people I was staying with, their 10 year old had to do an assignment on inventions by Ben Franklin. In the text book she had - it listed the light bulb as one of his.

Given how much he did invent. I was stunned at the error

Well obviously someone needs to tell that book company to fix it. Franklin had nothing to do with the invention of the light bulb.

[Ozzone]

ontheyslay wrote: Ozzone wrote: Revenant wrote: First...what is the rationale for "Greatest"?

This topic makes no sense whatsoever.

I agree. We've tried for 7 pages to debate this. It seems the socialists think America s*cks because it isn't the idol like Sweden.

At least that's what I got from it.

I know, why would we want to try to improve this country by using examples from what works in other countries.

Because it's more like trying to compare one state to another country.