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[Swampfox.f]

Kilo Tango wrote: The sectarian violence is being carried out by an extremely small minority of zealots operating under various motivations. The vast majority of Iraqis are not involved in sectarian violence.

No one went into Iraq for personal reasons.


You need to look into PNAC, it's members, and their relations to the military-industrial complex. Tie it in with international oil and you begin to see a different picture.

Unfortunately the world does not work in your idealistic viewpoint.

[lovebush]

Trajan wrote: How many Sunnis died from Shia action before the Bush adventure?

well I guess you have a point. it was mostly Sunnis killing shia befor the war, oh and sunnis killing kurds, and sunnis leading the country into war with Iran and invading Kuwiat. yup this shia killing thing, thats new!

[beachbum bob]

Swampfox.f wrote: Kilo Tango wrote: The sectarian violence is being carried out by an extremely small minority of zealots operating under various motivations. The vast majority of Iraqis are not involved in sectarian violence.

No one went into Iraq for personal reasons.


You need to look into PNAC, it's members, and their relations to the military-industrial complex. Tie it in with international oil and you begin to see a different picture.

Unfortunately the world does not work in your idealistic viewpoint.

its not idealism when its based on denial of facts

[Rankor and Pissing]

beachbum bob wrote: Swampfox.f wrote: Kilo Tango wrote: The sectarian violence is being carried out by an extremely small minority of zealots operating under various motivations. The vast majority of Iraqis are not involved in sectarian violence.

No one went into Iraq for personal reasons.


You need to look into PNAC, it's members, and their relations to the military-industrial complex. Tie it in with international oil and you begin to see a different picture.

Unfortunately the world does not work in your idealistic viewpoint.

its not idealism when its based on denial of facts

Oh come on... buck up young man! The Democrats are now in Congress and will save the day! They'll make sure we leave quickly and will make sure hundreds of thousands of new terrorists can have the opportunity to hate America in relative safety in Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan. :tu:

[Sands]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: Oh come on... buck up young man! The Democrats are now in Congress and will save the day! They'll make sure we leave quickly and will make sure hundreds of thousands of new terrorists can have the opportunity to hate America in relative safety in Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan. :tu:
They don't have to...The Republicans have already accomplished that task except for the leaving part.

[Tono]

All the more reason to send in more troops.

[Swampfox.f]

Tono wrote: All the more reason to send in more troops.

The problem with that is who foots the bill? Why is it that incompetent politicians don't have to sacrifice their financial lives for their mistakes? All the neo-con's financial lives should be liquidated, and Cheney imprisoned.

[Tono]

Swampfox.f wrote: Why is it that incompetent politicians don't have to sacrifice their financial lives for their mistakes?

Would that include all who voted for the war, or just those who acted on those votes?

[Sands]

Tono wrote: All the more reason to send in more troops.
That's not going to happen.

[Sands]

Tono wrote: Swampfox.f wrote: Why is it that incompetent politicians don't have to sacrifice their financial lives for their mistakes?

Would that include all who voted for the war, or just those who acted on those votes?
It could be worked out so that those most culpable would be held accountable for their decisions.

[Rankor and Pissing]

Sands wrote: Rankor and Pissing wrote: Oh come on... buck up young man! The Democrats are now in Congress and will save the day! They'll make sure we leave quickly and will make sure hundreds of thousands of new terrorists can have the opportunity to hate America in relative safety in Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan. :tu:
They don't have to...The Republicans have already accomplished that task except for the leaving part.

Agreed. And the least the Dems can do is perpetuate it and not f**k things up for the en masse murder that's sure to come. What ever would the Dems complain about for the next 20 years!? :lol:

[Sands]

Rankor and Pissing wrote:
Agreed. And the least the Dems can do is perpetuate it and not f**k things up for the en masse murder that's sure to come.

Sure to come??? Have you not been keeping abreast of the news lately??? It's already here and has been for months under the Republican's watch.

[Tono]

Sands wrote: It could be worked out so that those most culpable would be held accountable for their decisions.

No it couldn't. We are governed by a "two-party" system. Our leaders won't allow themselves to be exposed like that. Besides, I think they'll be too busy voting themselves another raise.

[Swampfox.f]

Tono wrote: Swampfox.f wrote: Why is it that incompetent politicians don't have to sacrifice their financial lives for their mistakes?

Would that include all who voted for the war, or just those who acted on those votes?


All who voted for it with the exception of those who voted just for the war in Afghanistan and not Iraq.

[The American]

beachbum bob wrote: Swampfox.f wrote: Kilo Tango wrote: The sectarian violence is being carried out by an extremely small minority of zealots operating under various motivations. The vast majority of Iraqis are not involved in sectarian violence.

No one went into Iraq for personal reasons.


You need to look into PNAC, it's members, and their relations to the military-industrial complex. Tie it in with international oil and you begin to see a different picture.

Unfortunately the world does not work in your idealistic viewpoint.

its not idealism when its based on denial of facts

Let's look at the facts then. There is no denial radical Islam has been around for a long long time. However, when it is brought to our own shores we should wait again to fight it within our own country? Not so fast. It is no secret Islam's hand is against Islam as well. But what for reason? The same reason it is against the rest of the world who do not conform. The attacks suffered by radical Islam brings forth a time to put an end to it once and for all. Not deal with it as we have in the past. Democracy can be and will be accepted by those of the Islamic faith. How can this be said?

Because they have taken the step toward it, they have embraced the seed, by election and and the will to fight for it. Turn your back and ignore it, and you light the stick of dynamite that fuels it. Retaliation in the past has not been by reason, but by excuse. What excuse will we see next? The unwillingness to use a spoon instead of a fork for green beans?

War is here, and we have not brought it. We as well as those in Islam demanding peace has suffered attacks for the last three decades. Time is at hand to declare enough is enough. To overide concept with concept, one has to be provided of better taste. The Majority in Iraq and Afghanistan have made that choice. It is called democracy.

Trig.

[thefranzkafkafront]

The American wrote:
War is here, and we have not brought it. We as well as those in Islam demanding peace has suffered attacks for the last three decades. Time is at hand to declare enough is enough. To overide concept with concept, one has to be provided of better taste. The Majority in Iraq and Afghanistan have made that choice. It is called democracy.

You did see who won the Iraqi Parlimentary election right?

Also Afganistan is a f***ing mess, hardly a good case study.

[The American]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: The American wrote:
War is here, and we have not brought it. We as well as those in Islam demanding peace has suffered attacks for the last three decades. Time is at hand to declare enough is enough. To overide concept with concept, one has to be provided of better taste. The Majority in Iraq and Afghanistan have made that choice. It is called democracy.

You did see who won the Iraqi Parlimentary election right?

Also Afganistan is a f***ing mess, hardly a good case study.

There has to be a start somewhere. Islamic culture is behind times. The way to deal with disagreements is by the knife. However, it is hard to stick a steel point into a concept. It is concept they fight. They call it Jihad. JIhad against Democracy is a no win situation. To turn your back and ignore it, it won't be long before it visits your neighborhood again. The ideology of Islam fighting Islam has not contained itself. It has spread dramatically across the globe.

It effects those who have a choice to live peacefully among each other, in the fact it is not right to have your throat slit, because you choose french fries over mashed potatoes. Introducing democracy into a world that desires it when opposition is dead set on killing it, you will have a mess such as you see in Iraq and Afghanistan. However, if that seed is protected against the weather, it will grow and spread effecting its neighbors as it goes. That my friend, is the whole meaning of the term "Changing the face of the Middle East ". In that change against radical concepts, one has to expect to experience a black eye during that face change.

I get it.

Trig.

[Heinz]

Quote: But Bush was going to bring democracy with violence and it would end the struggle right?

That's what he thought he was going to bring....

1200 years of fighting isn't going to end in 3 years.....democracy be damned.

[Heinz]

Quote: Not interested in what the two sects do outside of Iraq. Only in what took place before the Bush adventure in Iraq.
And how Goodwin of you.................

So are you denying that it's easy to quell a rebellion if you perform genocide on the competition?

If you are, please go back to school.

[Heinz]

Quote: and its good to know that many still feel bushco has no responsibility for what he does....
why should he??? never been accountable to date yet

If Bush kicks and old lady waiting to cross the street, I'll blame Bush. If he hires a good for nothing to head FEMA, like he already did, I'll blame Bush.

I won't blame Bush for violence that has existed for almost 1500 years.

You will, only because your probably the biggest hack on these forums.