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blockhead · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 597 Location: SouthWest

Oh boy, you guys get the penguin this week, then chimpy next week.

I wish they'd stay there.

Maybe Cheney is working on another "9/11" type plot and needs some Saudi "volunteers".

Why do you think Cheney is going to visit the King?

Wednesday, November 22, 2006

Vice President Cheney to visit Saudi Arabia

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Vice President Dick Cheney will leave for Saudi Arabia the day after Thanksgiving for talks with King Abdullah.

The vice president's office said Wednesday that Cheney would meet with Abdullah on Saturday to discuss developments in the Middle East, then return to Washington with no other stops planned. The United States and Saudi Arabia have a host of shared interests, including Arab-Israeli relations.

The Bush administration wants Saudi Arabia to put greater diplomatic muscle behind the secular Palestinian president in his standoff with Hamas militants, and to bolster moderate secular governments in Lebanon and Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Egypt both have told the administration that the Middle East's many volatile conflicts are hinged to Israel's long conflict with the Palestinians.

President Bush is headed to the Middle East next week to meet with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki in Jordan.

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalticker/2006/11/vice-president-cheney-to-visit-saudi.html

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 11438 Location: Zagreb

diplomatic talks=terror plan?

there's a place called the alternate theories forum for posts like this...

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 7752 Location: Petah Tikva

Quote: Maybe Cheney is working on another "9/11" type plot and needs some Saudi "volunteers".

Oh please, your not serious about that are you?

Quote: Why do you think Cheney is going to visit the King?

Because he's the Vice President? Perhaps it's a good thing that he gets out of the country to visit with an important foriegn leader?

blockhead · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 597 Location: SouthWest

The Comrade wrote: diplomatic talks=terror plan?

there's a place called the alternate theories forum for posts like this...

Cheney is a "diplomat"?

HAHAHAHAH!

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 7752 Location: Petah Tikva

He's an envoy, he's the vice president for crying out loud.

blockhead · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 597 Location: SouthWest

superskippy wrote: He's an envoy, he's the vice president for crying out loud.

You don't have to remind me.

Here's some of Cheney's "diplomacy".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3699-2004Jun24.html

...

On Tuesday, Cheney, serving in his role as president of the Senate, appeared in the chamber for a photo session. A chance meeting with Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (Vt.), the ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, became an argument about Cheney's ties to Halliburton Co., an international energy services corporation, and President Bush's judicial nominees. The exchange ended when Cheney offered some crass advice.

"f**k yourself," said the man who is a heartbeat from the presidency.

Leahy's spokesman, David Carle, yesterday confirmed the brief but fierce exchange. "The vice president seemed to be taking personally the criticism that Senator Leahy and others have leveled against Halliburton's sole-source contracts in Iraq," Carle said.

...

The Comrade · Joined: 16 Jul 2006 Posts: 11438 Location: Zagreb

THIS IS WHERE THIS THREAD BELONGS. GO POST IT THERE.

blockhead · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 597 Location: SouthWest

The Comrade wrote: THIS IS WHERE THIS THREAD BELONGS. GO POST IT THERE.

Actually Cheney is going to Saudi Arabia and my question about why is he going there is a valid one, not an Alternative Theory. My comment about his 9/11 plot was sarcastic.

Please unbunch your panties.

PS... See your signature.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 7752 Location: Petah Tikva

Rather funny, but it only shows that you think he would make a bad diplomat. It doesnt dismiss that he is the Vice President and a defacto credited envoy.

Venom · Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 807

Blockhead wrote: Here's some of Cheney's "diplomacy".
He was talking to a US Senator, not a foreign leader......
I guess we could ignore them and not have the Vice President or President ever meet with them. That would go for great foreign diplomacy to ignore them....

Also I find it quite funny that you point to the VP's use of curse words as a sign of his inability to take part in diplomacy, yet you refer to someone you don't agree with with insults such a calling a man a pengiun and another a chimp.
Blockhead wrote: Oh boy, you guys get the penguin this week, then chimpy next week.
Fantastic double standard, you can insult someone whom you disagree with, yet they shouldn't be allowed to do the same.

blockhead · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 597 Location: SouthWest

Venom wrote: Blockhead wrote: Here's some of Cheney's "diplomacy".
He was talking to a US Senator, not a foreign leader......
I guess we could ignore them and not have the Vice President or President ever meet with them. That would go for great foreign diplomacy to ignore them....

Also I find it quite funny that you point to the VP's use of curse words as a sign of his inability to take part in diplomacy, yet you refer to someone you don't agree with with insults such a calling a man a pengiun and another a chimp.
Blockhead wrote: Oh boy, you guys get the penguin this week, then chimpy next week.
Fantastic double standard, you can insult someone whom you disagree with, yet they shouldn't be allowed to do the same.

I'm not a diplomat. Nor am I the President of the Senate speaking to an elected Senator of this government.

This government doesn't do diplomacy, it's worth pointing out that it's not really correct to call it diplomacy if he invariably refuses to talk to people who disagree with him..

blockhead · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 597 Location: SouthWest

superskippy wrote: Rather funny, but it only shows that you think he would make a bad diplomat. It doesnt dismiss that he is the Vice President and a defacto credited envoy.

In February of 2006, only 18% of Americans had a favorable view of Cheney.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/27/opinion/polls/main1350874.shtml

Bush is currently hovering in the low 30's.

Venom · Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 807

Blockhead wrote: This government doesn't do diplomacy, it's worth pointing out that it's not really correct to call it diplomacy if he invariably refuses to talk to people who disagree with him..
Your source lists that he did indeed talk to the Senator.
Quote: Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (Vt.), the ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, became an argument
Thats from your own source. Last time I checked you had to talk to someone to be in an argument.

Blockhead wrote: I'm not a diplomat. Nor am I the President of the Senate speaking to an elected Senator of this government.
Fantastic. You know you can be the VP and still be a human right? Personally while I do not think he chose the right place, I am glad that he would actually speak his mind instead of putting up some smoke screen.

blockhead · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 597 Location: SouthWest

Venom wrote: Blockhead wrote: This government doesn't do diplomacy, it's worth pointing out that it's not really correct to call it diplomacy if he invariably refuses to talk to people who disagree with him..
Your source lists that he did indeed talk to the Senator.
Quote: Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (Vt.), the ranking Democrat on the Judiciary Committee, became an argument
Thats from your own source. Last time I checked you had to talk to someone to be in an argument.

Blockhead wrote: I'm not a diplomat. Nor am I the President of the Senate speaking to an elected Senator of this government.
Fantastic. You know you can be the VP and still be a human right? Personally while I do not think he chose the right place, I am glad that he would actually speak his mind instead of putting up some smoke screen.

Yes he stopped talking when they disagreed and told him to go "f**k himself"

Vice President's also shoot their hunting buddies in the face.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 7752 Location: Petah Tikva

Quote: In February of 2006, only 18% of Americans had a favorable view of Cheney.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/27/opinion/polls/main1350874.sh tml

Bush is currently hovering in the low 30's.

Utterly irrelivent, they are the legal President and Vice President. The Vice President by default is a perfectly legitmate envoy and is an important one due to his high position, Presidents and Vice Presidents have normally served as envoys in highly important talks. Talking policy with the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia would seem to score up there.

blockhead · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 597 Location: SouthWest

superskippy wrote: Quote: In February of 2006, only 18% of Americans had a favorable view of Cheney.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/27/opinion/polls/main1350874.sh tml

Bush is currently hovering in the low 30's.

Utterly irrelivent, they are the legal President and Vice President. The Vice President by default is a perfectly legitmate envoy and is an important one due to his high position, Presidents and Vice Presidents have normally served as envoys in highly important talks. Talking policy with the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia would seem to score up there.

It's not "utterly irrelevent". We Americans don't like this administration, I guess you in Israel do, but just about every other country hates them as well.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 7752 Location: Petah Tikva

So what? It doesnt change the fact that he is the Vice President, he is by default an accepted envoy by all nations of the world who deal with the US, which is almost all of them. He is key in designing US policy and is thus a head envoy. Honestly your argument boils down to you dont like him and the US government is unpopular. Which in no way comes close to addressing the point.

blockhead · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 597 Location: SouthWest

superskippy wrote: So what? It doesnt change the fact that he is the Vice President, he is by default an accepted envoy by all nations of the world who deal with the US, which is almost all of them. He is key in designing US policy and is thus a head envoy. Honestly your argument boils down to you dont like him and the US government is unpopular. Which in no way comes close to addressing the point.

Why is he key in designing US policy?

Venom · Joined: 06 Sep 2006 Posts: 807

Blockhead wrote: It's not "utterly irrelevent". We Americans don't like this administration, I guess you in Israel do, but just about every other country hates them as well
Please dont speak for me. I am part of the "we" Americans I can do like the administration.

Blockhead wrote: Yes he stopped talking when they disagreed and told him to go "f**k himself"
Really you were there to hear it? You know generally when you are in an "arguement" you already disagree. So it's pretty safe to assume, they did disagree and argued, then the VP got fed up and told him to f off. That is what the article you linked to says about the incident.

Blockhead wrote: Why is he key in designing US policy? Hrmm I'm going to go ahead and go with holding the position of Vice President of the United States for 500.

superskippy · Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 7752 Location: Petah Tikva

He is the Vice President and has some inherent power and prestige as well as authority, he works closely with the President on designing policy, relations, and other issues. He is the "2nd in command" so to speak.