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Vargo · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 205

“I will avenge; I will avenge”, screamed a relative of one of those who perished in the Israeli artillery attack on Beit Hanoun, on Wednesday morning, Nov. 8

Quote: “God is greater than Israel and America,” was the echoing cry of tens of thousands of Palestinians, who descended into the graveyard in grief stricken Beit Hanoun, in the northern Gaza Strip. They congregated in yet another familiar scene, to bury their loved ones, killed by Israel’s brutal war against the Palestinians. This time, the loss is too great to bear, even by the standards of the people of Gaza: Eighteen ambulances lined up, carrying the mutilated bodies of eighteen members of the same extended family, the great majority of whom were women and children; all civilians.

While a man initiates the burial ceremony by stepping forward carrying the lifeless body of his one-year-old baby; the tough posture that Gaza’s men often wish to exhibit was overshadowed by incomprehensive grief; relatives and friends were collapsing in droves; others reached toward the sky, in despair. Only God could hear them now. Two more tiny bodies, swaddled in white made their way through the crowd; more followed.

The total number of those killed in the Israeli bombing of the civilian neighborhood rose to 20, to be added to over 50 others killed earlier in the same Israeli military assault dubbed “Clouds of Autumn”, which converged mainly on Beit Hanoun; the latest two figures are to be included in the overall count of the 350 Palestinians killed since last June, in the wider military operation carried out in Gaza and dubbed “Summer Rains.”

This is the quik and main point if your more interested the read this
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7&section=0&article=88826&d=15&m=11&y=2006
Isreal is obviously doing more wrong then right...What the hell do they hope to accomplish? To fight the people who are fighting back to take isreal off their land... and seriously they are making it worse now there is obviously more of a chance for them to be attacked on isreali land (formerly Palestinian). Who is isreal fighting again...refresh my mind are they fighting the fighters who are fighting isreal off the land OR is isreal fighting the Civilians :think: what do you think?

Longhorn · Joined: 25 Jun 2006 Posts: 46

Israel is killing killer muslims who want to kill every last one of them. They are dealing with scum who blow themselves up in the name of allah in an attempt to kill as many women and children as possible. All Israel needs is a bunch of self righteous (yet internationally insignificant) canadians to tell them how to defend themselves from these killer muslims. On top of that, lets not get our information from a terrorist supporting source. Hell, if you were to get all of your information from the arabs, you would think the whole world is causing them to be terrorists.

It sickens me that you would have the audacity to have a MLK avatar and support such a hateful people that act totally opposite of what MLK preached. He wasn't about blowing up little babies like your killer muslim cohorts.

Richard Owl Mirror · Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9002

“I will avenge; I will avenge”

Will this person be seeking revenge against those who caused the Israeli's need to send shells near that location?

These same people who cry “I will avenge; I will avenge”, are the brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers
of those firing 80-100 rockets a day into Israeli civilian neighborhoods.

Perhaps an Israeli brother, sister, mother, father had earlier shouted out “I will avenge; I will avenge” ?

The American · Joined: 23 Oct 2004 Posts: 3474 Location: Oklahoma

Longhorn wrote: Israel is killing killer muslims who want to kill every last one of them. They are dealing with scum who blow themselves up in the name of allah in an attempt to kill as many women and children as possible. All Israel needs is a bunch of self righteous (yet internationally insignificant) canadians to tell them how to defend themselves from these killer muslims. On top of that, lets not get our information from a terrorist supporting source. Hell, if you were to get all of your information from the arabs, you would think the whole world is causing them to be terrorists.

It sickens me that you would have the audacity to have a MLK avatar and support such a hateful people that act totally opposite of what MLK preached. He wasn't about blowing up little babies like your killer muslim cohorts.

:clap:

I agree.

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

Longhorn wrote: Israel is killing killer muslims who want to kill every last one of them. They are dealing with scum who blow themselves up in the name of allah in an attempt to kill as many women and children as possible. All Israel needs is a bunch of self righteous (yet internationally insignificant) canadians to tell them how to defend themselves from these killer muslims. On top of that, lets not get our information from a terrorist supporting source. Hell, if you were to get all of your information from the arabs, you would think the whole world is causing them to be terrorists.

It sickens me that you would have the audacity to have a MLK avatar and support such a hateful people that act totally opposite of what MLK preached. He wasn't about blowing up little babies like your killer muslim cohorts.

You're obviously not very well informed as to the situation. It's probably quite nice to be able to rationalise murder by saying "Hey, there goes a killer muslim" without even realising that Palestinians are of no specific religion. That's right, you get Christians, Mulsims, Druze... It's almost as though you use the term "killer muslim" to defend the killing of anyone who happens to be from the ME and not Israeli.

In relation to this specific event, the IDF messed up. Either deliberatly or not, but the messed up. They clearly lack to ability to effectively manage and police a people living under occupation and should do the only right things which is hand over responsibility for Gaza and the West Bank to the UN until a Palestinian Security force can be effectively trained and supported.

You can drop your little buzzwords of "terrorist" and "killer muslim" as much as you want to try and justify the 18 deaths (including 13 members of the same family) but blocking out reality is not something conducive to acheiving any sort of peaceful resolution.

...and here's some Israelis who disagree with your opinion..
http://www.btselem.org/english/firearms/20061108_War_Crime_in_Beit_Hanun.asp

Longhorn · Joined: 25 Jun 2006 Posts: 46

slitedeviance wrote: Longhorn wrote: Israel is killing killer muslims who want to kill every last one of them. They are dealing with scum who blow themselves up in the name of allah in an attempt to kill as many women and children as possible. All Israel needs is a bunch of self righteous (yet internationally insignificant) canadians to tell them how to defend themselves from these killer muslims. On top of that, lets not get our information from a terrorist supporting source. Hell, if you were to get all of your information from the arabs, you would think the whole world is causing them to be terrorists.

It sickens me that you would have the audacity to have a MLK avatar and support such a hateful people that act totally opposite of what MLK preached. He wasn't about blowing up little babies like your killer muslim cohorts.

You're obviously not very well informed as to the situation. It's probably quite nice to be able to rationalise murder by saying "Hey, there goes a killer muslim" without even realising that Palestinians are of no specific religion. That's right, you get Christians, Mulsims, Druze... It's almost as though you use the term "killer muslim" to defend the killing of anyone who happens to be from the ME and not Israeli.

In relation to this specific event, the IDF messed up. Either deliberatly or not, but the messed up. They clearly lack to ability to effectively manage and police a people living under occupation and should do the only right things which is hand over responsibility for Gaza and the West Bank to the UN until a Palestinian Security force can be effectively trained and supported.

You can drop your little buzzwords of "terrorist" and "killer muslim" as much as you want to try and justify the 18 deaths (including 13 members of the same family) but blocking out reality is not something conducive to acheiving any sort of peaceful resolution.

...and here's some Israelis who disagree with your opinion..
http://www.btselem.org/english/firearms/20061108_War_Crime_in_Beit_Hanun.asp
Blocking out reality. The reality of the matter is that Germans tried to exterminate the Jews. Arabs are trying to exterminate the Jews right now. Israel has every right to defend themselves with overwhelming force when the killer muslims are targeting women and children in the name of their disturbed religion.

The reality is that the Palestinians have allowed institutionalized terrorism to rule their society. The reality of it is that the muslims are guilty, not the Jews. HOw many of your children will you let die before you use overwhelming force to defend your family? I realize most of you Europeans are muslim sympathizers and could care less about the Jewish people, but damn, how can you be so cold blooded to support killer muslims.

Get a grip on reality...your not safe from the killer muslims either. Hell, you should be thankful to Israel for eliminating that risk.

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

Longhorn wrote: Blocking out reality. The reality of the matter is that Germans tried to exterminate the Jews. Arabs are trying to exterminate the Jews right now. Israel has every right to defend themselves with overwhelming force when the killer muslims are targeting women and children in the name of their disturbed religion.

The reality is that the Palestinians have allowed institutionalized terrorism to rule their society. The reality of it is that the muslims are guilty, not the Jews. HOw many of your children will you let die before you use overwhelming force to defend your family? I realize most of you Europeans are muslim sympathizers and could care less about the Jewish people, but damn, how can you be so cold blooded to support killer muslims.

Get a grip on reality...your not safe from the killer muslims either. Hell, you should be thankful to Israel for eliminating that risk.

Thankful to Israel for wiping out some women and children who were asleep in their home?

Okaaaay, so when you're done quaking in fear from the "killer muslims" that apparently live under my bed as well now, maybe you'd respond to the following points:

* I never denied that Israel has the right to defend itself. However, it is clearly unable to care for the safety and wellbeing of a people living under occupation (and you appear to have missed the part where I pointed out Palestinians aren't just Muslims, but are Christians as well).

* Israel is also responsible for the murders of women and children. Is your point that women and children need to be protected, or that Israelis are worth more than Palestinians?

* How do you differentiate between a "killler" muslim, and the non-"killer" variety. Does one come with a warning label?

* The fact that you are happy to generalise about an entire religion without actually considering what - you - are - saying. If I was to use your logic, I could disseminate that you are a child abuser, murderer, multiple rapist, torturer and terrorist... guess why? Because Americans have committed these acts in the past.

* The idea that, as well as "Killer Muslims", I have cancer, heart disease, diabetes, lung failure, liver sclerosis and about a million other conditions that also make me unsafe. What should I do to target these??????????? OMG!! OMG!!

* Also, what is your response to the piece by B'Telsem?

figaro · Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Posts: 136

Longhorn wrote: Israel is killing killer muslims who want to kill every last one of them. They are dealing with scum who blow themselves up in the name of allah in an attempt to kill as many women and children as possible. All Israel needs is a bunch of self righteous (yet internationally insignificant) canadians to tell them how to defend themselves from these killer muslims. On top of that, lets not get our information from a terrorist supporting source. Hell, if you were to get all of your information from the arabs, you would think the whole world is causing them to be terrorists.

It sickens me that you would have the audacity to have a MLK avatar and support such a hateful people that act totally opposite of what MLK preached. He wasn't about blowing up little babies like your killer muslim cohorts.

It sickens me that creatures like yourself are allowed to exist and post on this forum .

If anyone criticising that loathsome Zionist state of Israel were to post in a similar vein, he, she, it, would promptly excluded from this forum.

Wonder what the precise functions really are; of the so called "moderators" of this forum,?

That cowardly Zionist state of Israel can only exist with big brother USA's
protection. The USA is getting a deserved hiding in Iraq, as it did in Viet Nam.

Israel got a taste of what lies in store for it, when it fought the Hezbollah in Lebanon.

Neither the USA, nor loathsome Zionists can fight a prolonged war; they're both broiler chickens.

Arabs and Iranians can continue fighting to the last man, woman and child.

Arabs and Iranians will not go meekly to gas chambers in a cowardly fashion and tiresomely resurrect "holocausts".

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Quote: Arabs and Iranians will not go meekly to gas chambers in a cowardly fashion and tiresomely resurrect "holocausts".

They are far more likely to start building and using gas chambers than be thrown into them.

They are the ones talking about eradicating people, not Israel.

figaro · Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Posts: 136

cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: Arabs and Iranians will not go meekly to gas chambers in a cowardly fashion and tiresomely resurrect "holocausts".

They are far more likely to start building and using gas chambers than be thrown into them.

They are the ones talking about eradicating people, not Israel.

Really ??

For your information ; the largest number of Jews in the middle east outside of Israel, exist in Iran

As for the Iranian president's remarks regarding Israel's right to exist;
how many times have I heard Nathanyahu (Israel's ex- premier) say that he will never accept a Palestinian state.

Several members of Israel's present cabinet say that they'll never accept a Palestinian state.

Israel can only exist with help from the USA. Neither Israel, nor the USA can sustain a prolonged war. After the drubbing that the USA is getting in
Iraq, it is, with tail between it's legs, being forced to talk to Iran.

Consider what will happen to Israel when China supercedes the USA as the primary economic power in the world, in fifty years, or so.

Remember that the Arabs have long memories.

Really hope that I'll be alive to see what becomes of Israel, the day
that the USA becomes second to China.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Quote: the largest number of Jews in the middle east outside of Israel, exist in Iran

Is that supposed to change the fact that they are constantly talking about eradicating Jews somehow?

Part of both the political ideology and theology of these groups of radical Islamists is the idea that Jews have brewed up some satanic conspiracy that is a danger to the world and that they have to be eradicated because. Their leaders routinely get in front of large groups of these folks and scream this exact ideology at them over and over. They've twisted their religious teachings to fit this view of the world. This is simply brainwashing the population with propaganda.

How is this the slightest bit different than the ideology and theology that brought about the Holocaust?

Black Sheep 5 · Joined: 08 Oct 2005 Posts: 1776 Location: Phoenix

Quote: JERUSALEM — A Palestinian rocket fired from Gaza exploded on a street in southern Israel on Wednesday, killing one passerby, critically injuring another, and raising the possibility of a new Israeli military offensive against militant rocket squads.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,229517,00.html

If Mexico was sending rockets across the border would you be willing to shell rocket firing sites?

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

cap'n queasy wrote: Quote: the largest number of Jews in the middle east outside of Israel, exist in Iran

Is that supposed to change the fact that they are constantly talking about eradicating Jews somehow?

Can you provide a quote to support this... and not the whole "destruction of the Israeli state" stuff, but a direct reference where anyone in the Iranian administration talks about eradicating jews?

Kilo Tango · Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 8607 Location: D.C.

slitedeviance wrote: Longhorn wrote: Israel is killing killer muslims who want to kill every last one of them. They are dealing with scum who blow themselves up in the name of allah in an attempt to kill as many women and children as possible. All Israel needs is a bunch of self righteous (yet internationally insignificant) canadians to tell them how to defend themselves from these killer muslims. On top of that, lets not get our information from a terrorist supporting source. Hell, if you were to get all of your information from the arabs, you would think the whole world is causing them to be terrorists.

It sickens me that you would have the audacity to have a MLK avatar and support such a hateful people that act totally opposite of what MLK preached. He wasn't about blowing up little babies like your killer muslim cohorts.

You're obviously not very well informed as to the situation. It's probably quite nice to be able to rationalise murder by saying "Hey, there goes a killer muslim" without even realising that Palestinians are of no specific religion. That's right, you get Christians, Mulsims, Druze... It's almost as though you use the term "killer muslim" to defend the killing of anyone who happens to be from the ME and not Israeli.

In relation to this specific event, the IDF messed up. Either deliberatly or not, but the messed up. They clearly lack to ability to effectively manage and police a people living under occupation and should do the only right things which is hand over responsibility for Gaza and the West Bank to the UN until a Palestinian Security force can be effectively trained and supported.

You can drop your little buzzwords of "terrorist" and "killer muslim" as much as you want to try and justify the 18 deaths (including 13 members of the same family) but blocking out reality is not something conducive to acheiving any sort of peaceful resolution.

...and here's some Israelis who disagree with your opinion..
http://www.btselem.org/english/firearms/20061108_War_Crime_in_Beit_Hanun.asp The Palestinians blowing themselves up inside Israel and firing rockets into Israel are muslims.

cap'n queasy · Joined: 15 May 2004 Posts: 34968

Eradicating "zionism" is clearly a euphemism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3z-B7L8LQ4

Sucker Punch · Joined: 08 Nov 2006 Posts: 189

Longhorn wrote: Israel is killing killer muslims who want to kill every last one of them. They are dealing with scum who blow themselves up in the name of allah in an attempt to kill as many women and children as possible. All Israel needs is a bunch of self righteous (yet internationally insignificant) canadians to tell them how to defend themselves from these killer muslims. On top of that, lets not get our information from a terrorist supporting source. Hell, if you were to get all of your information from the arabs, you would think the whole world is causing them to be terrorists.

It sickens me that you would have the audacity to have a MLK avatar and support such a hateful people that act totally opposite of what MLK preached. He wasn't about blowing up little babies like your killer muslim cohorts.

Wow, what an elitist hate monger.

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

cap'n queasy wrote: Eradicating "zionism" is clearly a euphemism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3z-B7L8LQ4

So it's an assumption you're making, and it's not the same as...

Quote: constantly talking about eradicating Jews

?

TheGirlNextDoor · Joined: 08 Jul 2004 Posts: 22608

figaro wrote: Longhorn wrote: Israel is killing killer muslims who want to kill every last one of them. They are dealing with scum who blow themselves up in the name of allah in an attempt to kill as many women and children as possible. All Israel needs is a bunch of self righteous (yet internationally insignificant) canadians to tell them how to defend themselves from these killer muslims. On top of that, lets not get our information from a terrorist supporting source. Hell, if you were to get all of your information from the arabs, you would think the whole world is causing them to be terrorists.

It sickens me that you would have the audacity to have a MLK avatar and support such a hateful people that act totally opposite of what MLK preached. He wasn't about blowing up little babies like your killer muslim cohorts.

It sickens me that [b]creatures like yourself are allowed to exist and post on this forum .

If anyone criticising that loathsome Zionist state of Israel were to post in a similar vein, he, she, it, would promptly excluded from this forum.

Wonder what the precise functions really are; of the so called "moderators" of this forum,?
[/b]
That cowardly Zionist state of Israel can only exist with big brother USA's
protection. The USA is getting a deserved hiding in Iraq, as it did in Viet Nam.

Israel got a taste of what lies in store for it, when it fought the Hezbollah in Lebanon.

Neither the USA, nor loathsome Zionists can fight a prolonged war; they're both broiler chickens.

Arabs and Iranians can continue fighting to the last man, woman and child.

Arabs and Iranians will not go meekly to gas chambers in a cowardly fashion and tiresomely resurrect "holocausts".

Why don't you give people a chance here? As in the "moderation" staff. We are not and cannot be online at all hours of the night.

Use the report post button please, and have some patience and when one of us is online we will look into it.

THANK YOU.

Richard Owl Mirror · Joined: 28 May 2006 Posts: 9002

Black Sheep 5 wrote: Quote: JERUSALEM — A Palestinian rocket fired from Gaza exploded on a street in southern Israel on Wednesday, killing one passerby, critically injuring another, and raising the possibility of a new Israeli military offensive against militant rocket squads.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,229517,00.html

If Mexico was sending rockets across the border would you be willing to shell rocket firing sites?

All those who harbor Anti-Israeli sentiment will never take accountability for actions from their side.
They all seem to suffer from a like-minded mentality as this story illustrates.
Robber Sues Victims After They Beat Him
Quote: ROCHESTER, N.Y. (AP) Jun 12 2006 -- A man is suing an auto-parts store for assault and battery after he attempted to hold up the business and employees responded by beating him with a metal pipe.

Dana Buckman, 46, walked into an auto shop brandishing a semiautomatic pistol last summer, only to have it turned on him by two AutoZone employees, police said. The men beat Buckman with a metal pipe and held him with his own gun.

Buckman escaped and was arrested a week later.

He pleaded guilty to first-degree robbery and was sentenced to 18 years in prison as a repeat violent felon.

Buckman claims the men chased him out of the store and continued to beat him.
He is suing the auto shop and the men for the injuries he suffered and for emotional distress.

leftneckredwing · Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 30823 Location: North America

Sucker Punch wrote: Longhorn wrote: Israel is killing killer muslims who want to kill every last one of them. They are dealing with scum who blow themselves up in the name of allah in an attempt to kill as many women and children as possible. All Israel needs is a bunch of self righteous (yet internationally insignificant) canadians to tell them how to defend themselves from these killer muslims. On top of that, lets not get our information from a terrorist supporting source. Hell, if you were to get all of your information from the arabs, you would think the whole world is causing them to be terrorists.

It sickens me that you would have the audacity to have a MLK avatar and support such a hateful people that act totally opposite of what MLK preached. He wasn't about blowing up little babies like your killer muslim cohorts.

Wow, what an elitist hate monger.

He's banned. Ignore his posts.