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[Deemoore]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-06-13-dems-agenda_x.htm

'New Direction' is new theme for Democratic plan

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-06-13-dems-agenda_x.htm


USA Today wrote: The Democrats' plan would increase the minimum wage to $7.25 an hour from $5.15, grant authority to the secretary of Health and Human Services to negotiate lower prescription-drug prices with pharmaceutical companies for those in Medicare's drug program and cut student-loan interest rates — rising to 6.8% in July — by half.

The agenda also calls for enacting recommendations of the 9/11 Commission, formed after the 2001 terror attacks, to boost national security and funding for it, and for eliminating about $18 billion in tax breaks and subsidies for oil companies. Pelosi said savings would go to develop alternative fuels.

Ex-House majority leader Dick Armey, a 1994 contract author, says his former colleagues "need to do some serious substantive legislation" to improve their electoral chances. Armey, a conservative Republican, says his GOP colleagues are "wasting time" debating constitutional amendments to ban gay marriage and flag burning. "They're not doing real work. They're making political statements," he says.

This article is 5 months old ... why those sneaky Democrats had this all planned!

So whats wrong with this plan? Evidently someone voted for it.

[LostSoul3412]

Deemoore wrote: This article is 5 months old ... why those sneaky Democrats had this all planned!

Conspiracy! They were planning on winning the election all along!

[Dennis]

They had a plan all along??!!

You mean, I should have realized this because of the platform, 6-point plan, and candidates that clearly indicated what their plans were?

What a crazy notion!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Requiem Of Rose]

I dont know which is more disgusting.. The sexist pig that i just left a preseant for.. or the fact that the left is treating this like its a game.. :-|

[JLB]

I already have the Cut and run, Tax and Spend thread which covers the Democrat Plan.

[Deemoore]

JLB wrote: I already have the Cut and run, Tax and Spend thread which covers the Democrat Plan.
Thank you for reading my post.
I don't read yours anymore.

[JLB]

Deemoore wrote: JLB wrote: I already have the Cut and run, Tax and Spend thread which covers the Democrat Plan.
Thank you for reading my post.
I don't read yours anymore.

I can lead Democrats to knowledge, but I cannot make them think. 8:)

[Deemoore]

JLB wrote: Deemoore wrote: JLB wrote: I already have the Cut and run, Tax and Spend thread which covers the Democrat Plan.
Thank you for reading my post.
I don't read yours anymore.

I can lead Democrats to knowledge, but I cannot make them think. 8:)

No one is lead by rhetoric from the stone ages.

Hint : Everyone knows the national debt has doubled in Bush's tenure.
It took two hundred years to do that last time.

Is that enough about spending?

Hint: The Chinese want thier money back
You wanna help pay off the $30,000 you personally owe as an american citizen or do you want your kids to cover it?

Is that enough about taxation?

If there was a real fight we might have something to run from ... the only enemy I see in Iraq is a money pitt with no bottom.

[Fido]

If I was suddenly Nancy Pelosi, first, I would be surprised; and when I got over that I would try to change the house rules to admit the losers into congress beside the winners on the thought that the biggest part of the problem with this country is all the people- which I rate at nearly 50% of voters- who will feel for the next two years like they are miss represented or not represented at all. It is no lack of voices of discontent that I am hearing; but a multitude. The more representatives we have the better chance we all have of getting greased. Now all the money goes to the representatives and gets spent on ads, and we get less of everything to show. Some body voted for the losers. Great numbers voted for the losers. There is some kind of indication here that we are divided, and the place to work that division out is in the very place it took hold, in the halls of government. Consensus will never be achieved until all the people are represented, and every cause is brought forth. The question is simple: Do you want endless politics on the expectation of someday capturing the imagination of the nation; or do you want to work it out?
That would be my plan.

[Rankor and Pissing]

For those that don't want to read it...


1. Reduce the cost of student loans
2. Reduce the cost of prescription drugs
3. Raise the minimum wage (federally is assumed)
4. Launch an effort to develop alternative fuels
5. Enact the recommendations of the 9/11 commission
6. Eliminate $18 billion in tax breaks and subsidies for oil companies


These are all good, and I'm not complaining, but what about the big issues that are NOT being addressed:

- Social Security Reform
- Healthcare
- Immigration and an overhaul of the INS
- Border Security
- Iraq and Afghanistan
- Government spending and the U.S. National Debt which is up to 8.5 trillion dollars
- Domestic spying and the Patriot Act

Compared to the one's I listed, Pelosis' list looks like the scrawny kid with asthma who gets picked on in the school yard. Where's the spending freeze? Where's the hike in taxes (let's face it, 18 million in oil subsidies isn't going to make up 8.5 trillion in debt).

If the Democrats actually won on these items, (which they didn't) it would be a very sad commentary on the Democrats.

[homerjay_s]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: For those that don't want to read it...


1. Reduce the cost of student loans
2. Reduce the cost of prescription drugs
3. Raise the minimum wage (federally is assumed)
4. Launch an effort to develop alternative fuels
5. Enact the recommendations of the 9/11 commission
6. Eliminate $18 billion in tax breaks and subsidies for oil companies


These are all good, and I'm not complaining, but what about the big issues that are NOT being addressed:

- Social Security Reform
- Healthcare
- Immigration and an overhaul of the INS
- Border Security
- Iraq and Afghanistan
- Government spending and the U.S. National Debt which is up to 8.5 trillion dollars
- Domestic spying and the Patriot Act

Compared to the one's I listed, Pelosis' list looks like the scrawny kid with asthma who gets picked on in the school yard. Where's the spending freeze? Where's the hike in taxes (let's face it, 18 million in oil subsidies isn't going to make up 8.5 trillion in debt).

If the Democrats actually won on these items, (which they didn't) it would be a very sad commentary on the Democrats.

You make some very good points about some questions I would also like answered.

[lucidnightmare]

Quote: The agenda also calls for enacting recommendations of the 9/11 Commission

Why would they do that? Terrorist are just a myth made up to read my library card. :lol:

But really,good for them on that.I wonder what the far left on this forum think about the pro war on terror Democratic agenda?

[homerjay_s]

lucidnightmare wrote: Quote: The agenda also calls for enacting recommendations of the 9/11 Commission

Why would they do that? Terrorist are just a myth made up to read my library card. :lol:

But really,good for them on that.I wonder what the far left on this forum think about the pro war on terror Democratic agenda?

I'm not really "the far left", though I'm sure you'd categorize me as such. In any event, I see the "war on terror" as the scam it is.

Do I think there is no terror threat? No.

We need legitimate port and border security. We also need to start requiring global corporations that do business in this country to maintain a standard of quality in how they interact throughout the world. It's all well and good to marginalize that sentiment by claiming it to be a typical appologist or terrorist sympathizer position, however the global corporations that we support represent us on an international scale. We should at the very least require the same minimal working conditions we set for industry in our own country.

We also need to fight legitimate terror targets effectively, ie via special covert operations. Whole scale invasion and occupation is not what our national miltary defense forces should be designed for. If we put half the money into actual national defense that we currently put into what amounts to be a corporate invasionary force, we'd be able to secure all our ports and borders, check every single container coming into this country, and put quite a grip on illegal immigration. Unfortunately, that would make it very hard for said global corporations to misappropriate our tax dollars.

[Rankor and Pissing]

homerjay_s wrote: lucidnightmare wrote: Quote: The agenda also calls for enacting recommendations of the 9/11 Commission

Why would they do that? Terrorist are just a myth made up to read my library card. :lol:

But really,good for them on that.I wonder what the far left on this forum think about the pro war on terror Democratic agenda?

I'm not really "the far left", though I'm sure you'd categorize me as such. In any event, I see the "war on terror" as the scam it is.

Do I think there is no terror threat? No.

We need legitimate port and border security. We also need to start requiring global corporations that do business in this country to maintain a standard of quality in how they interact throughout the world. It's all well and good to marginalize that sentiment by claiming it to be a typical appologist or terrorist sympathizer position, however the global corporations that we support represent us on an international scale. We should at the very least require the same minimal working conditions we set for industry in our own country.

We also need to fight legitimate terror targets effectively, ie via special covert operations. Whole scale invasion and occupation is not what our national miltary defense forces should be designed for. If we put half the money into actual national defense that we currently put into what amounts to be a corporate invasionary force, we'd be able to secure all our ports and borders, check every single container coming into this country, and put quite a grip on illegal immigration. Unfortunately, that would make it very hard for said global corporations to misappropriate our tax dollars. :clap: Good post!

[Deemoore]

The first part of solving problems is talking about them.

- Social Security Reform
Just give benefits to Democrats ... cut the problem in half or double the size of the party.

- Healthcare
cure everything with stem cells

- Immigration and an overhaul of the INS
Make Mexico a state


- Border Security
Homerjay covered this

- Iraq and Afghanistan
Make Bin Laden fix it


- Government spending and the U.S. National Debt which is up to 8.5 trillion dollars
Secretly Invest tax money and let Gov't make money off big business for a change.


- Domestic spying and the Patriot Act
extend the spying to White House and Presidential residences

Unfortunately sometimes I have nothing useful to contribute.

[Heinz]

Forgot number seven:

Use GOP style cronyism to place a proven corrupt politician to head the intelligence committee.

Great start!

Now that that's out of the way, I notcied they talk nothing about things that most Americans are concerned about. Social Security? Nope. Health? Please......It pretty much reads like a plan to get back at Bush and forget about the rest of what most Americans want. I say most because I oppose minimum wage increases.

At least Homer_Jay is consistent in that he doesn't think a major terror threat is real and that we don't don't need legislation to protect us from a threat that really isn't there. If only the people in power could grab a hold of the same kind of consistency. They continue to push for laws that protect us from something some of them don't think is there.

If it's not real why pass the laws to protect us from it?

[Mr. Sunshine]

The liberal leadership of the DNC is shaping up nicely and avoiding pandering to their radical left ex-base; just like a one night stand. The DNC looks more like the DNC of yesterday where bluedogs rule. Look at the freshman class. They went double digit degrees to the right. This may be the perfect compromise. Time will tell. 8:)

[Dennis]

JLB wrote: I already have the Cut and run, Tax and Spend thread which covers the Democrat Plan.

Too bad that is a completly incorrect version of it.

[Dennis]

homerjay_s wrote: Rankor and Pissing wrote: For those that don't want to read it...


1. Reduce the cost of student loans
2. Reduce the cost of prescription drugs
3. Raise the minimum wage (federally is assumed)
4. Launch an effort to develop alternative fuels
5. Enact the recommendations of the 9/11 commission
6. Eliminate $18 billion in tax breaks and subsidies for oil companies


These are all good, and I'm not complaining, but what about the big issues that are NOT being addressed:

- Social Security Reform
- Healthcare
- Immigration and an overhaul of the INS
- Border Security
- Iraq and Afghanistan
- Government spending and the U.S. National Debt which is up to 8.5 trillion dollars
- Domestic spying and the Patriot Act

Compared to the one's I listed, Pelosis' list looks like the scrawny kid with asthma who gets picked on in the school yard. Where's the spending freeze? Where's the hike in taxes (let's face it, 18 million in oil subsidies isn't going to make up 8.5 trillion in debt).

If the Democrats actually won on these items, (which they didn't) it would be a very sad commentary on the Democrats.

You make some very good points about some questions I would also like answered.

The answer is easy to find. It's called "The Platform". :roll:

[homerjay_s]

Dennis wrote: homerjay_s wrote: Rankor and Pissing wrote: For those that don't want to read it...


1. Reduce the cost of student loans
2. Reduce the cost of prescription drugs
3. Raise the minimum wage (federally is assumed)
4. Launch an effort to develop alternative fuels
5. Enact the recommendations of the 9/11 commission
6. Eliminate $18 billion in tax breaks and subsidies for oil companies


These are all good, and I'm not complaining, but what about the big issues that are NOT being addressed:

- Social Security Reform
- Healthcare
- Immigration and an overhaul of the INS
- Border Security
- Iraq and Afghanistan
- Government spending and the U.S. National Debt which is up to 8.5 trillion dollars
- Domestic spying and the Patriot Act

Compared to the one's I listed, Pelosis' list looks like the scrawny kid with asthma who gets picked on in the school yard. Where's the spending freeze? Where's the hike in taxes (let's face it, 18 million in oil subsidies isn't going to make up 8.5 trillion in debt).

If the Democrats actually won on these items, (which they didn't) it would be a very sad commentary on the Democrats.

You make some very good points about some questions I would also like answered.

The answer is easy to find. It's called "The Platform". :roll:

The paltform does not actually address exactly how things are going to get done. I supported the Democrats in their recent takeover of the legislature. I do align with their party platform on many issues. I do give them the benefit of the doubt for now, and will unless they show that they aren't going to do what is right.

However, I will be quick to criticize if I don't think they are doing the right thing. Party platforms are purposely vague tools to show general positions on mostly hot button issues leading up to elections. Eventually there does have to be a plan to attain the goals set forth in the platform.