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[mendosan]

[quote="Vexillum"] mendosan wrote: Who called for a democracy not Hezbollah, why are they armed to the teeth, why did they support and still support Syrian control of Lebanon, Lebanon is about to tear itself apart again and you want to make cheap points about Israel and US involvement.

You need to think what does greater Hezbollah control of Lebanon mean for the region, it means civil war in Lebanon, foreign funding of factions and massacres.

So, that's what you call it when people poke holes in your arguments. "Cheap." :lol:

If they Lebanese don't like Hezbollah, they can vote them out of office and pressure their government to disarm Hezbollah. But, many Lebanese consider Hezbollah a necessary defensive force against Israeli aggression.[quote]

Pressure the government to disarm them HAHA, Hezbollah are better armed and tranied than the government forces, no the other factions will arm themselves again.

Quote: It is outside meddling that contributes to the possibility of civil war in Lebanon. And, if they want to have a civil war, what business of yours is that?

I don't want 100,000 more people to die in Lebanon, sorry about feeling quite strongly about that, want a civil war are you a retard?

[mendosan]

Timmytour wrote: mendosan wrote: [
Who called for a democracy not Hezbollah, why are they armed to the teeth, why did they support and still support Syrian control of Lebanon, Lebanon is about to tear itself apart again and you want to make cheap points about Israel and US involvement.

I think your questions might be better directed at those people who voted in a government that included Hezbollah... :roll:

That is, if you think democracy is of any importance...

So you don't care if Lebanon has another civil war, Hezz arn't calling for more elections there calling for more power without being given it by the people.

No one has elected this man, yet.



They elected this man and he was killed by Syria, the major sponser of Hezz.

[Vexillum]

mendosan wrote: I don't want 100,000 more people to die in Lebanon, sorry about feeling quite strongly about that, want a civil war are you a retard?

And, you think the outside meddlers are so interested in the welfare of the Lebanese people?

[Timmytour]

mendosan wrote: Timmytour wrote: mendosan wrote: [
Who called for a democracy not Hezbollah, why are they armed to the teeth, why did they support and still support Syrian control of Lebanon, Lebanon is about to tear itself apart again and you want to make cheap points about Israel and US involvement.

I think your questions might be better directed at those people who voted in a government that included Hezbollah... :roll:

That is, if you think democracy is of any importance...

So you don't care if Lebanon has another civil war, Hezz arn't calling for more elections there calling for more power without being given it by the people.

No one has elected this man, yet.

[img]picture of Nasrallah[/img]

They elected this man and he was killed by Syria, the major sponser of Hezz.
[img]picture of Hariri[/img]

The world would be a lot easier if there were a law that made conclusions fact.

I believe it´s very possible the Syrians had a hand in Hariri´s death. The reason I have reservations is admirably demonstrated by the way you bypass opinion and state it as fact. You are exactly the kind of person that the likes of Mossad would have in mind were they to stage such an assasination for the contrived benefit of Israel. Unquestioning. And were Mossad to believe that such an act were to ultimately benefit Israel, I don´t doubt for a moment that they would go ahead with it.

But, as I said, my speculation is that Syria were indeed behind it. And could have been behind as many as five other such deaths.

I don´t want civil war in Lebanon and you do your credibility no good whatsoever to suggest that I or anyone else on this board for that matter don´t care if there is one.

But to me, the fact that Syria may have undertaken such acts are indicative of the way they are beginning to feel emboldened by the waning influence of the US in the region. Let´s face it the US has been over the region like a rash the last few years....yet Syria still continues to exert it s influence. The support by the US for the actions of Israel in Lebanon further undermined their influence.

For all the US warnings to Syria to stop meddling in Lebanon´s affairs, it´s the failure of the American meddling on a grander scale in the region that´s the real cause for concern.

In such a climate, American words mean nothing. The best voice the Syrians can hear right now is the voice of the Lebanese people, loud and clear.

I don´t advocate giving control to Hezbollah just because they want it or demand it. I think they have to earn it at the ballot box. If it gets to the stage where they are trying to force themselves on the Lebanese people, then every help should be given to Lebanon to resist them.

But I don´t believe American blustering about supporting Lebanon´s sovereignty convinces anyone when one only has to think of their abject support for Israel´s violation of that same sovereignty.

[Lumina]

sLiPpY wrote: Lumina wrote: Tell foreigners, particularly Syrians, to stop meddling. Then, I am quite confident that the Lebanese can figure out what they want for themselves.

Would you also advocate a non-meddling policy for one US Gov?

If foreign nations begin meddling in our affairs, I certainly will.

[Timmytour]

Lumina wrote: sLiPpY wrote: Lumina wrote: Tell foreigners, particularly Syrians, to stop meddling. Then, I am quite confident that the Lebanese can figure out what they want for themselves.

Would you also advocate a non-meddling policy for one US Gov?

If foreign nations begin meddling in our affairs, I certainly will.

huh?

If foreign nations begin meddling in your affairs you will then advocate a non-meddling policy for the US government :shock:

[CountryGuy]

Vexillum wrote: CountryGuy wrote: Would you prefer the US did NOT give vocalize support for Lebanon -- Note I'm not asking you what you WANT us to do, but whether or not this specific action (stating support for Lebanon) is GOOD or BAD.

We are way past the point where anyone of credibility could think that Bush has any interest in the welfare of Lebanon, or for any descendant of Abraham on Ishmael's side, or for the significant portion of Lebanese who are Christians.

Any aid given to Lebanon by the Bush administration will be designed to get Lebanon to decrease its ability to resist hostile Israeli action as well as to further bash Syria.

Fine -- At least you're willing to admit you're going to bash anything this administration does (good or bad).

[Lumina]

I would "also advocate a non-meddling policy for one US Gov."

[Timmytour]

Lumina wrote: I would "also advocate a non-meddling policy for one US Gov."

but the way you have posted earlier makes it look as if you would do this once foreign nations begin meddling in your affairs. :shock:

It doesn´t really scan well.

What you do about the foreign nations meddling in your affairs?

[Lumina]

Timmytour wrote: Lumina wrote: I would "also advocate a non-meddling policy for one US Gov."

but the way you have posted earlier makes it look as if you would do this once foreign nations begin meddling in your affairs. :shock:

It doesn´t really scan well.

What you do about the foreign nations meddling in your affairs?

I merely responded to the phrasing of a particular post. Get it?

[sLiPpY]

Timmytour wrote: Lumina wrote: sLiPpY wrote: Lumina wrote: Tell foreigners, particularly Syrians, to stop meddling. Then, I am quite confident that the Lebanese can figure out what they want for themselves.

Would you also advocate a non-meddling policy for one US Gov?

If foreign nations begin meddling in our affairs, I certainly will.

huh?

If foreign nations begin meddling in your affairs you will then advocate a non-meddling policy for the US government :shock:

They always get it backwards. :lol:

The Bush Administration that is.

[Timmytour]

Lumina wrote: Timmytour wrote: Lumina wrote: I would "also advocate a non-meddling policy for one US Gov."

but the way you have posted earlier makes it look as if you would do this once foreign nations begin meddling in your affairs. :shock:

It doesn´t really scan well.

What you do about the foreign nations meddling in your affairs?

I merely responded to the phrasing of a particular post. Get it?

Jeesh...that's what you get for trying to help :lol:

What I don't get is this...

In response to the question you quoted in your earlier response...

Slippy wrote: Would you also advocate a non-meddling policy for one US Gov?

you replied...

Lumina wrote: If foreign nations begin meddling in our affairs, I certainly will.

Now I don't think this scans the way you intended it to. Or perhaps I got it wrong! Perhaps you did intend to imply that only in the event of foreigners begin to meddle in your affairs would you then advocate a non-meddling policy for one US Gov :shock:

I think I might get it if you finish off your sentence...you certainly will.....what?

Get it :lol:

[alqalam]

Lumina wrote: Tell foreigners, particularly Syrians, to stop meddling. Then, I am quite confident that the Lebanese can figure out what they want for themselves.

The only way to do this--is to elminate all politicians! For that is what they do best meddle and lie!

Pierre"s killing does not have a Syrian earmark on it. Being shot in the face with silenced guns sounds more like a western tactic more than a Syrian one.