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[Venom]

What would you say online gaming's biggest problem is?
I'd have to go with outright cheating, through the use of exploits or 3rd party programs. Playing CS only to watch 6 dudes headshot while one guy flies through the air never missing, with zero recoil isn't my idea of fun.
Cheating plagues every platform of gaming, PC and console. So another problem I see is that people certainly do not treat people over the internet with the same respect they do in person. Ego monsters round the world need those cheats I guess.

[Green]

Quote: Ive been shot through walls too many times, cheating s*cks.

Let me revise that to bastards who either try who screw up your computer ,especially CoD2, or bastards who use cheats.

[XxMorningStarxX]

People who waste their whole goddamn lives on a game. Takes the fun right out of life when they pwn you right away when you log on (especially on an MMORPG). Oh yeah, and hackers too, hacking on a game just to be cheap is laaame.

[Venom]

We'll I agree it's not a lot of fun to play games when the "skill" level is unbalanced, I don't fault the game for that. I do wish more match making services would attempt to link players up who are of equal skill level.

[Melchior]

Too much grinding, too many glitches, too many idiots.

[The Comrade]

lag is honestly the worst problem ever. i can't stand it.

[PricklySponge]

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[Green]

The Comrade wrote: lag is honestly the worst problem ever. i can't stand it.
Ok, choose a diffrent server that is close to you and see what the lag is according to what it says on the server browser.

[The Comrade]

Green wrote:
Ok, choose a diffrent server that is close to you and see what the lag is according to what it says on the server browser.

i know enough to choose my own server. it's just people and their shi**y connections.


hoenstly if your ping goes above 50 just kill yourself.

[Gus]

The structure is too complex...the best games in the past have been those where the physics and gameplay is simple and predictable. When you have these new games in which you can never isolate the variables, you can't develop any sort of strategy and it just becomes run-around-and-hope-you-do-well. The increasing complexity of the games makes it more and more a mindless free-for-all rather than a contest of skill. The best games in the past have been the ones with a simple framework--Starcraft, Counterstrike 1.5, Quake 3, etc...

[Venom]

Comrade
I think I know what your saying, when you see a lagged player jumping around your screen it does take away from your experience.

Gus wrote: The structure is too complex...the best games in the past have been those where the physics and gameplay is simple and predictable
While I agree that some games are being more and more complex, most of the popular multiplayer games are pretty simple. Which new games are you talking about by chance?

Also you talk strategy but then you list Quake 3. When I played the game it was more about find the gun you are the most proficient at and then procede to run and gun. I don't qualify that as a strategy. Are you counting the do I rush or do I camp in CS? Unless your with a clan or with friends that's what the games really amount to.

[Gus]

What I mean basically is consistency and predictability. Patterns in physics and whatnot. The simpler those are, the deeper the strategy can go. For instance, chess strategy goes extremely deep because the rules are pretty simple and short. I always like comparing Starcraft to chess, because I think the two are quite similar.

The thing is, we don't want to spend all the time figuring out the structure of the game, but figuring out how to exploit the structure (strategy).



Anyway, an example of this would be CS:Source, which introduces that whole complex physics thing into the game. CS:Source pissed off a lot of CS players and many of them are still playing on 1.6 or 1.5. When the complexity goes exponentially up like that, but the gameplay remains the same, the game gets harder and harder to understand.

Anyway, as for Quake 3...sure, for a lot of people it's just an adrenaline rush, but for the gamers at the top of the score list, it's all about skills, dexterity, and strategy. Just b/c the action is fast as hell doesn't mean there isn't skill involved--ask any SWAT team.

And if you think CS is only about rushing and camping, then my guess is that you haven't played it very much.

[Nathan]

Green wrote: Quote: Ive been shot through walls too many times, cheating s*cks.

Let me revise that to bastards who either try who screw up your computer ,especially CoD2, or bastards who use cheats.

The mods/cheaters are the biggest problems. The flamers and screamers can be annoying.

[Venom]

Gus wrote: The thing is, we don't want to spend all the time figuring out the structure of the game, but figuring out how to exploit the structure (strategy).
I think you'd enjoy Gears of War. It's very basic multiplayer match is 4v4. Very basic but there can be very deep strategies as in this game if you don't use teamwork and the other team does, your toast.

Gus wrote: Anyway, as for Quake 3...sure, for a lot of people it's just an adrenaline rush, but for the gamers at the top of the score list, it's all about skills, dexterity, and strategy.
We'll while there is some very basic strategy, I find games like Quake rely more upon who happens to see who first and then twitch reactions based upon how well you aim whic would qualify as skill.
I've never found Quake to be a overly strategic game.
CS does have some decent strategy, however I'd say it's pretty far from deep as if you get on a normal server it relies around run and gun, mostly base upon whom is a better shot, who gets the jump on who.

Gus wrote: And if you think CS is only about rushing and camping, then my guess is that you haven't played it very much.
I've played CS before it became mainstream, back when the M4 had a zoom and the weapons of the dead stayed from one round to the next.
Whenever I play with my brothers it's all based upon the map. Oh we are on Dust? Ok rush site B. Then hold these choke points, I do not qualify that as deep. Also after playing CS for so long I've seen how a good percentage of the people don't even care about objectives, much less strategy. For example, bomb maps where people don't protect the bomb and just run around like mindless drones randomly searching for a kill. That isn't deep, that isn't strategy.
I think if you want a game that is deep and strategy based one should look at stop and pop type shooters. Again I'm going back to Gears of War, but that's just because I did not expect the strategy to come out of that game. Being on a mic and have fireteam based manuevers is awesome. I think if you enjoy the idea of SWAT team tactics you may enjoy a game like gears.
I've trained with SWAT team members, I've trained with DEA MOUT insructors and they were for the most part very slow moving, nothing like Counter-Strike.

[quote=Nathan]mods/cheaters are the biggest problems. The flamers and screamers can be annoying[/quote]
Ya I think the nod goes to mods/cheaters. If someone is flaming/screaming I just mute them. Modders/cheaters, the only way to compete is to mod/cheat yourself. Something I won't do in a PC or console game.

[One to Grow On]

Since I really only play/played MMORPG's, I'd say the biggest problems with most games are being gear dependent instead of skill dependent. Gear dependent makes players play for hours a day to stay competitive, which is nice for those that can spend 6-10 hours a day playing, but for the casual gamer that likes PvP, it makes it a little tougher. Which leads me to another problem, I wish there were more open PvP games(not FPS). Best MMORPG I ever played was Shadowbane, great idea, just too much server problems(ie lag) during huge battles. I honestly have no clue how they could fix most of this to be honest, after playing these games for nearly 15 yrs and then MUD's before that, it seems that some companies try, but don't have enough financial backing to do it. Oh well, one day they'll get it right =)

[Thrilla]

the biggest problem for me is .... kids.

immature, fit-throwing, name-calling, respect-lacking, asshat children.

listen.. when I get the jump on you and drive a bullet through your cranium.... at the very least, i expect a "nice shot bro".... not you whining about how i hack.. how i downloaded my skills...how i got lucky...how you would have owned me had i missed... how lag played a part in your death.... how your video card made you die....how you had a phone call and were playing one handed....how you spilled milk on your keyboard....or your mom called you at that instant

get over yourself... you died and I killed you.... say nice shot and then remain silent in your death..... exact your revenge on me through superior game play.. all else is meaningless immature posturing.

In the inverse.. when i die from your hand and tell you "damn.. nice shot bro"... the appropriate answer is not.. " i owned you newb"
..and mark my words..i will say nice shot.. even if i suspect hacking or cheating.. even if i think you got lucky or whatever

competitiveness is fine.. its great in fact....but its no excuse for poor behavior

[Green]

Thrilla wrote: the biggest problem for me is .... kids.

immature, fit-throwing, name-calling, respect-lacking, asshat children.

listen.. when I get the jump on you and drive a bullet through your cranium.... at the very least, i expect a "nice shot bro".... not you whining about how i hack.. how i downloaded my skills...how i got lucky...how you would have owned me had i missed... how lag played a part in your death.... how your video card made you die....how you had a phone call and were playing one handed....how you spilled milk on your keyboard....or your mom called you at that instant

get over yourself... you died and I killed you.... say nice shot and then remain silent in your death..... exact your revenge on me through superior game play.. all else is meaningless immature posturing.

In the inverse.. when i die from your hand and tell you "damn.. nice shot bro"... the appropriate answer is not.. " i owned you newb"
..and mark my words..i will say nice shot.. even if i suspect hacking or cheating.. even if i think you got lucky or whatever

competitiveness is fine.. its great in fact....but its no excuse for poor behavior

what if you are clearly standing behind a solid object and you are shot?

[Venom]

I agree with what Thrilla has said that general bad attitudes towards other people is a common thing in online games, personally I attribute this to the hey this is the internet and the person will never meet me idea. People these days aren't very respectful and when it's basically annoymous it gets even worse.

One to Grow on
We'll I played WoW for awhile, which of course is centered around whatever tier raid gear you can aquire if you wish to be able to compete with other players in PVP, or you could dump literally hundreds of hours of PVP all day long to aquire the PVP gear. However I dont think it's so much a problem that your gear dependant I think its just that it takes so long to get this gear as you've stated. In games like UO that also have their epics known as artifacts, they can be purchased from other gamers from in game money (of course you could buy it on ebay... but I wouldn't buy a virtual item with real money). The problem with WoW is that all of the stuff is soul bound, requiring each player for each character to spend huge amounts of time obtaining this gear. This gear (most of it) you cannot trade, and you cannot trade any of the gear after you've worn it. In UO atleast you can trade their version of epic items.
A problem I see also in MMOs like WoW is there is very little risk. In WoW I can get pked by a player and what do I lose? A little bit of time. And a very small cost towards the repairs of my items. In UO, you can lose everything you have on you, or atleast a few thousand gold by "insuring" the items. I think if atleast the PVP servers had some sort of risk involved (not losing items you spend hours and hours to obtain..) but something, it would make the game more interesting. Also add into the fact that games like WoW are indeed a treadmill, just throwing more of the same at the players.. requiring people to spend literally hundreds of hours to stay at the top. Of course this goes into skill as well. You can be a better player than say another warrior, but if they have invested a lot more hours or were part of some uber guild that can obtain that letset set of epics, your going to get waxed.

[Thrilla]

Green wrote: Thrilla wrote: the biggest problem for me is .... kids.

immature, fit-throwing, name-calling, respect-lacking, asshat children.

listen.. when I get the jump on you and drive a bullet through your cranium.... at the very least, i expect a "nice shot bro".... not you whining about how i hack.. how i downloaded my skills...how i got lucky...how you would have owned me had i missed... how lag played a part in your death.... how your video card made you die....how you had a phone call and were playing one handed....how you spilled milk on your keyboard....or your mom called you at that instant

get over yourself... you died and I killed you.... say nice shot and then remain silent in your death..... exact your revenge on me through superior game play.. all else is meaningless immature posturing.

In the inverse.. when i die from your hand and tell you "damn.. nice shot bro"... the appropriate answer is not.. " i owned you newb"
..and mark my words..i will say nice shot.. even if i suspect hacking or cheating.. even if i think you got lucky or whatever

competitiveness is fine.. its great in fact....but its no excuse for poor behavior

what if you are clearly standing behind a solid object and you are shot? I say "damn...good shot"

[Revenant]

Thrilla wrote: Green wrote: Thrilla wrote: the biggest problem for me is .... kids.

immature, fit-throwing, name-calling, respect-lacking, asshat children.

listen.. when I get the jump on you and drive a bullet through your cranium.... at the very least, i expect a "nice shot bro".... not you whining about how i hack.. how i downloaded my skills...how i got lucky...how you would have owned me had i missed... how lag played a part in your death.... how your video card made you die....how you had a phone call and were playing one handed....how you spilled milk on your keyboard....or your mom called you at that instant

get over yourself... you died and I killed you.... say nice shot and then remain silent in your death..... exact your revenge on me through superior game play.. all else is meaningless immature posturing.

In the inverse.. when i die from your hand and tell you "damn.. nice shot bro"... the appropriate answer is not.. " i owned you newb"
..and mark my words..i will say nice shot.. even if i suspect hacking or cheating.. even if i think you got lucky or whatever

competitiveness is fine.. its great in fact....but its no excuse for poor behavior

what if you are clearly standing behind a solid object and you are shot? I say "damn...good shot"

I say nothing, switch teams and teamkill them specifically until they give up and leave :lol: