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[US Retard]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: Buy Citgo gas. Since Hugo owns it, every time you buy from Citgo, Hugo puts the money in his pocket.
False. Venezuelans own it, not Chavez.

Rankor and Pissing wrote: This is propaganda pure and simple....
...As are many of your statements.

Rankor and Pissing wrote: ...the marketing machine is working overtime to give Hugo a softer image. Hugo in turn, is buying off the American people and using Joe Kennedy to do it under the disguise of "helping the poor" and showing senior citizens in hardship to soften the American's hearts and cause sympathy . . . And American consumers are too stupid or too depraved to refuse.
Maybe Americans can see through your propaganda.

Chavez was selling discounted oil last year as well. Was that propaganda too? Time wrote, "Hugo Chavez is helping the U.S. poor with discounted heating oil—while irritating his foes in Washington. …When 13 U.S. Senators sent a letter to major U.S. oil companies last fall [2005] seeking heating fuel aid for lower-income residents in northern states, Citgo — a subsidiary of the state-owned Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA) — was the only one to step forward." Chavez-led Venezuela shipped "oil directly to schools, religious organizations and nonprofits in poor communities" at a 40% discount.

"The same approach, he said, has worked in the Caribbean, where Venezuela is already sharply subsidizing oil deliveries to more than a dozen nations."

"Chavez has used the nation's oil wealth to extend health care and import Cuban doctors." So why is Chavez demonized by the US corporate media?

Chavez' Surprise for Bush wrote: Cutting oil prices must seem like the worst sort of radicalism to the Big Oil companies and their buddies at the Bush-Cheney White House. But ordinary Americans fed up with price gouging by these energy companies could begin to look at Chavez in a different light if his oil-for-the-poor project works. Still, Chavez, warns, we must all think about the future. Americans are 5% of the world's population, yet we consume 25% of the world's oil. On his drive from Kennedy Airport to Manhattan this week, Chavez noted, "Out of every 100 cars I saw on the road, 99 had only one person in the car. These people were using up fuel," he said. "They were polluting the environment. This planet cannot sustain that mode of life." That's the kind of message that can get a man killed these days - or at least labeled a dangerous madman by folks in the White House.
The biggest propaganda machine I see is the US, the White House, and the uninformed pawns who regurtitate the rhetoric.

[Timmytour]

Nathyn wrote: GTTofAK wrote: Nathyn wrote: Chymical wrote: and definitely not in the instance of which this thread is relevent.

Let's try this...

Venezuala election : international monitors pretty damn happy
US Presidential election: international monitors pretty damn disgusted.

Venezuala election: pretty democratic to modern standards...
US Pres elections: intentionally undemocratic and strictly two parties...
Even so, I'd rather be ruled by Republicans than the Fifth Republic Movement or Hamas.

The Nazis won their election democratically too.

You're not really making a point here.

The Nazi's never won an election. Power was handed to them. But Ceaser was elected dictaor for life by the Senate thats a better example. The people can be bought off.
No, *HITLER* never won an election.

The Nazis did, however, sweep the German elections in 1932.

:lol: you are funny :-D

Earlier on you tell us...
Quote:
A person with 49.1% of the vote loses the election

And here you describe a party winning under 38% of the available seats as sweeping the election :shock:

[Dookiestix]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: Dookiestix wrote: Nathyn wrote: Timmytour wrote: :lol:

I sense an obsession with fear.

There's a mad panic if there's not enough to fear.

It manifests itself with wild imaginings such as Chavez could turn out to be another Stalin or another Mao :shock: .

I wonder if there's a cure?
I was being a bit facetious when I said he was definitely another Stalin or another Mao.

I admit that goes too far.

He's more comparable to the Shah of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and *gasp* President Bush.

You know, the "diet coke," of murderous dictators.

Then again, who knows? We'll just have to wait and see.

The fact is that people such as comrade Dookiestix from the Soviet Socialist Republic of San Francisco are just being blinded by partisanship. Hugo Chavez wants to run the country with an iron fist and not have anybody complain. So, he tosses out gifts like Santa Claus (though his bag of toys will eventually run out) and attacks Bush, and the left eats it up like a fat kid on cake.
Wherever did you get the impression that I "eat this up" like some fat kid? I was merely pointing out Rankor and Pissing's hypocrisy regarding boycotting Chavez's gas when we do nothing in regards to funneling blood money to terrorists in the Middle East.

Honestly, when will these labels ever end? :roll:

So... when can we expect you'll be selling your car, removing any and all petroleum based products from your home and place of work?

This includes:
- No use of a gas or diesel car, diesel based bus, train or air travel
- Combs, crayons, bandages
- Bubblegum, glue, golfballs
- Plastics of anykind (bags, products, electronics, etc.)
- Tires (bicycle, car, any kind)
- Clothing - especially nylon or anything with elastic in it
- Toothpaste, candles, milk or juice containers
- Garden hose, helmets, rubber products, sun-glasses

I can keep going. So you'll make sure all those materialistic items are out and you're driving to work with your horse and wooden buggy then right? There is no hypocrisy. I'm not seeing the House of Saud advertising for cheap oil to influence voters. If you've got something by way of that, please, share.

Otherwise, the "let's stop using petroleum" deal doesn't work, since I'd estimate about 60% of everything in your home, that you use every day is petroleum based, and the other 30% is probably dependent upon something petroleum based.
what does ANY of that have to do with the hypocrisy of the OP regarding Chavez?

:lol:

[Timmytour]

Dookiestix wrote: Rankor and Pissing wrote: Dookiestix wrote: Nathyn wrote: Timmytour wrote: :lol:

I sense an obsession with fear.

There's a mad panic if there's not enough to fear.

It manifests itself with wild imaginings such as Chavez could turn out to be another Stalin or another Mao :shock: .

I wonder if there's a cure?
I was being a bit facetious when I said he was definitely another Stalin or another Mao.

I admit that goes too far.

He's more comparable to the Shah of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and *gasp* President Bush.

You know, the "diet coke," of murderous dictators.

Then again, who knows? We'll just have to wait and see.

The fact is that people such as comrade Dookiestix from the Soviet Socialist Republic of San Francisco are just being blinded by partisanship. Hugo Chavez wants to run the country with an iron fist and not have anybody complain. So, he tosses out gifts like Santa Claus (though his bag of toys will eventually run out) and attacks Bush, and the left eats it up like a fat kid on cake.
Wherever did you get the impression that I "eat this up" like some fat kid? I was merely pointing out Rankor and Pissing's hypocrisy regarding boycotting Chavez's gas when we do nothing in regards to funneling blood money to terrorists in the Middle East.

Honestly, when will these labels ever end? :roll:

So... when can we expect you'll be selling your car, removing any and all petroleum based products from your home and place of work?

This includes:
- No use of a gas or diesel car, diesel based bus, train or air travel
- Combs, crayons, bandages
- Bubblegum, glue, golfballs
- Plastics of anykind (bags, products, electronics, etc.)
- Tires (bicycle, car, any kind)
- Clothing - especially nylon or anything with elastic in it
- Toothpaste, candles, milk or juice containers
- Garden hose, helmets, rubber products, sun-glasses

I can keep going. So you'll make sure all those materialistic items are out and you're driving to work with your horse and wooden buggy then right? There is no hypocrisy. I'm not seeing the House of Saud advertising for cheap oil to influence voters. If you've got something by way of that, please, share.

Otherwise, the "let's stop using petroleum" deal doesn't work, since I'd estimate about 60% of everything in your home, that you use every day is petroleum based, and the other 30% is probably dependent upon something petroleum based.
what does ANY of that have to do with the hypocrisy of the OP regarding Chavez?

:lol:

He can't argue against what you actually said. So he has to argue against the Invisible Dookie that all the rest of us have got on a defaulted "ignore" list.

It's not a great explantion I admit, but it's the only way I can begin to imagine there being any logic to his response :shock: Certainly he seems to be bringing up contentions that I've not seen made on the thread.

:lol:

[Revenant]

Do people get a hard-on making this guy out to be Hitler?

Seriously folks, he's a demogogue, hypocrite, and an excellent trade partner. Really.....who cares?

Oh right, he insults America, and at the same time trades with us. Obviously that shows he is merely pandering to his people. Get over it. Get over him.

[Timmytour]

Revenant wrote: Do people get a hard-on making this guy out to be Hitler?

Seriously folks, he's a demogogue, hypocrite, and an excellent trade partner. Really.....who cares?

Oh right, he insults America, and at the same time trades with us. Obviously that shows he is merely pandering to his people. Get over it. Get over him.

The trouble is he doesn't put himself out to be nice to Americans...

From the State Department site I quoted earlier in the thread.

Quote: President Obiang has worked to cultivate the Equatorial Guinea-U.S. relationship with regular visits to the U.S. for meetings with senior government and business leaders

You see! What a nice chap this Obiang fellow seems to be. He's got oil but he doesn't go around insulting the American president. Why can't Chavez be as nice as he is?

Nobody seems to have a problem with Obiang.

[Revenant]

Timmytour wrote: Revenant wrote: Do people get a hard-on making this guy out to be Hitler?

Seriously folks, he's a demogogue, hypocrite, and an excellent trade partner. Really.....who cares?

Oh right, he insults America, and at the same time trades with us. Obviously that shows he is merely pandering to his people. Get over it. Get over him.

The trouble is he doesn't put himself out to be nice to Americans...

From the State Department site I quoted earlier in the thread.

Quote: President Obiang has worked to cultivate the Equatorial Guinea-U.S. relationship with regular visits to the U.S. for meetings with senior government and business leaders

You see! What a nice chap this Obiang fellow seems to be. He's got oil but he doesn't go around insulting the American president. Why can't Chavez be as nice as he is?

Nobody seems to have a problem with Obiang.

This whining is akin to people going:

"Chavez says mean words and I don't like it :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: "

[Timmytour]

Revenant wrote: Timmytour wrote: Revenant wrote: Do people get a hard-on making this guy out to be Hitler?

Seriously folks, he's a demogogue, hypocrite, and an excellent trade partner. Really.....who cares?

Oh right, he insults America, and at the same time trades with us. Obviously that shows he is merely pandering to his people. Get over it. Get over him.

The trouble is he doesn't put himself out to be nice to Americans...

From the State Department site I quoted earlier in the thread.

Quote: President Obiang has worked to cultivate the Equatorial Guinea-U.S. relationship with regular visits to the U.S. for meetings with senior government and business leaders

You see! What a nice chap this Obiang fellow seems to be. He's got oil but he doesn't go around insulting the American president. Why can't Chavez be as nice as he is?

Nobody seems to have a problem with Obiang.

This whining is akin to people going:

"Chavez says mean words and I don't like it :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: "

Let's face it Chavez is a failure...as a dictator.

With the polls saying that only 59% are likely to vote for him in the next election, and with only 61% of Venezuelans happy with the direction in which their country is going, something's got to be drastically wrong.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/16085111.htm

Any dictator worthy of the name should surely be obtaining numbers in the high 90s at least, if not 100%, for these questions.

I think it's high time he was asked to step down from his role as the chairman of SADDAM - South American Dictators Dissing American Motives.