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Timmytour · Joined: 07 Oct 2005 Posts: 6863

Rankor and Pissing wrote: Dookiestix wrote: Nathyn wrote: Timmytour wrote: :lol:

I sense an obsession with fear.

There's a mad panic if there's not enough to fear.

It manifests itself with wild imaginings such as Chavez could turn out to be another Stalin or another Mao :shock: .

I wonder if there's a cure?
I was being a bit facetious when I said he was definitely another Stalin or another Mao.

I admit that goes too far.

He's more comparable to the Shah of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and *gasp* President Bush.

You know, the "diet coke," of murderous dictators.

Then again, who knows? We'll just have to wait and see.

The fact is that people such as comrade Dookiestix from the Soviet Socialist Republic of San Francisco are just being blinded by partisanship. Hugo Chavez wants to run the country with an iron fist and not have anybody complain. So, he tosses out gifts like Santa Claus (though his bag of toys will eventually run out) and attacks Bush, and the left eats it up like a fat kid on cake.
Wherever did you get the impression that I "eat this up" like some fat kid? I was merely pointing out Rankor and Pissing's hypocrisy regarding boycotting Chavez's gas when we do nothing in regards to funneling blood money to terrorists in the Middle East.

Honestly, when will these labels ever end? :roll:

So... when can we expect you'll be selling your car, removing any and all petroleum based products from your home and place of work?

This includes:
- No use of a gas or diesel car, diesel based bus, train or air travel
- Combs, crayons, bandages
- Bubblegum, glue, golfballs
- Plastics of anykind (bags, products, electronics, etc.)
- Tires (bicycle, car, any kind)
- Clothing - especially nylon or anything with elastic in it
- Toothpaste, candles, milk or juice containers
- Garden hose, helmets, rubber products, sun-glasses

I can keep going. So you'll make sure all those materialistic items are out and you're driving to work with your horse and wooden buggy then right? There is no hypocrisy. I'm not seeing the House of Saud advertising for cheap oil to influence voters. If you've got something by way of that, please, share.

Otherwise, the "let's stop using petroleum" deal doesn't work, since I'd estimate about 60% of everything in your home, that you use every day is petroleum based, and the other 30% is probably dependent upon something petroleum based.

But hold on.....Dookie wasn´t the one suggesting we "stop using petroleum" was he? In fact I believe that person was..........

?

:lol:

sLiPpY · Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 10094

Rankor and Pissing wrote: Apparently, the "devil" and "fire and brimstone" comments at the UN earlier this year had some fallout. That's why Hugo, who owns Citgo oil lock stock and barrel, needs a facelift with the people. Taking a chapter from Hamas as well as his buddy Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez with the Citgo brand has partnered with Joe Kennedy II, son of Bobby Kennedy, to bring cheap oil to the poor of the U.S.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNE0os3f3VY

http://www.citgo.com/WebOther/CommunityInvolvement/HeartToHearths.pdf

The question is why? Apologists will say it's because Hugo has a deep affection and want to help the American people because he's a humanitarian at heart. He's misunderstood apparently. The more pragmatic and educated will say, he's trying to gain points politically within the U.S. by bribing American's with cheap heating oil - and getting Joe Kennedy to front it and give it legitimacy.

Joe P. Kennedy II connection to Citizens Energy Corporation
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/02/17/kennedy_defends_venezuelan_heat_oil_program/?rss_id=Boston.com+--+Massachusetts+news

http://www.citizensenergy.com/

Some other areas where the propoganda machine is working is the Support Democracy and Buy Citgo Gas movement, which supplies a website which tells Chavez supporters "10 Things you can do to Support Venezuela", guess the best way? Buy Citgo gas. Since Hugo owns it, every time you buy from Citgo, Hugo puts the money in his pocket.

This is propaganda pure and simple - the marketing machine is working overtime to give Hugo a softer image. Hugo in turn, is buying off the American people and using Joe Kennedy to do it under the disguise of "helping the poor" and showing senior citizens in hardship to soften the American's hearts and cause sympathy. While there's no law against it - Hugo or anyone else can market and sell products to the U.S. consumer whenever they want as long as it's within the U.S. guidelines. I can't say people should refuse the oil, but then again, we need to out the propaganda and slimy methods and show exactly what and why he's doing what he's doing. It's bribery. And American consumers are too stupid or too depraved to refuse.

To those who have a choice and are willing to exercise that choice, I hope it's market and cost driven or politically driven. The damage control has started airing here in the North East on television commercials and I always get a good chuckle at watching it.

Chavez referred to Bush as "Global Dictator"

What's so difficult about stating the truth vs. beating around the symantics? :P

Rankor and Pissing · Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 10237

sLiPpY wrote: Rankor and Pissing wrote: Apparently, the "devil" and "fire and brimstone" comments at the UN earlier this year had some fallout. That's why Hugo, who owns Citgo oil lock stock and barrel, needs a facelift with the people. Taking a chapter from Hamas as well as his buddy Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez with the Citgo brand has partnered with Joe Kennedy II, son of Bobby Kennedy, to bring cheap oil to the poor of the U.S.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNE0os3f3VY

http://www.citgo.com/WebOther/CommunityInvolvement/HeartToHearths.pdf

The question is why? Apologists will say it's because Hugo has a deep affection and want to help the American people because he's a humanitarian at heart. He's misunderstood apparently. The more pragmatic and educated will say, he's trying to gain points politically within the U.S. by bribing American's with cheap heating oil - and getting Joe Kennedy to front it and give it legitimacy.

Joe P. Kennedy II connection to Citizens Energy Corporation
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/02/17/kennedy_defends_venezuelan_heat_oil_program/?rss_id=Boston.com+--+Massachusetts+news

http://www.citizensenergy.com/

Some other areas where the propoganda machine is working is the Support Democracy and Buy Citgo Gas movement, which supplies a website which tells Chavez supporters "10 Things you can do to Support Venezuela", guess the best way? Buy Citgo gas. Since Hugo owns it, every time you buy from Citgo, Hugo puts the money in his pocket.

This is propaganda pure and simple - the marketing machine is working overtime to give Hugo a softer image. Hugo in turn, is buying off the American people and using Joe Kennedy to do it under the disguise of "helping the poor" and showing senior citizens in hardship to soften the American's hearts and cause sympathy. While there's no law against it - Hugo or anyone else can market and sell products to the U.S. consumer whenever they want as long as it's within the U.S. guidelines. I can't say people should refuse the oil, but then again, we need to out the propaganda and slimy methods and show exactly what and why he's doing what he's doing. It's bribery. And American consumers are too stupid or too depraved to refuse.

To those who have a choice and are willing to exercise that choice, I hope it's market and cost driven or politically driven. The damage control has started airing here in the North East on television commercials and I always get a good chuckle at watching it.

Chavez referred to Bush as "Global Dictator"

What's so difficult about stating the truth vs. beating around the symantics? :P

Nothing if that was the subject being discussed. Do you know what's being discussed? Start at the OP and work forward.

Chymical · Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:46 pm Post subject:

No, Chavez is the dictator cause he won an election with more then 49% of the vote. Unlike some recent republican president I won't mention.

Nathyn · Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 7927 Location: The Great Satan

Chymical wrote: No, Chavez is the dictator cause he won an election with more then 49% of the vote. Unlike some recent republican president I won't mention.
I think you mean more than 50%.

A person with 49.1% of the vote loses the election...

BUT NOT IN VENEZUELA!

:lol:

Just kidding. I agree the elections were fair. He's popular, but again, so were Stalin, Mao, and Hitler. Let's see how his popularity lasts after there's an economic downturn and he has to, in Kim Jong-Il-like fashion, blame the "American imperialists" for "stealing," their wealth through the crafty capitalist mechanism of free trade.

Chymical · Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:32 pm Post subject:

Nathyn wrote: Chymical wrote: No, Chavez is the dictator cause he won an election with more then 49% of the vote. Unlike some recent republican president I won't mention.
I think you mean more than 50%.

A person with 49.1% of the vote loses the election...

Methinks you have had a doobie or two more than I... in proper democracies (remember usa presedantial election is far from democratic) 49% of the vote will 99% of the time guaruntee a win. check it...

Election 2005
Final results:
LAB majority: 66
Labour 35.3%
Seats +/-
356 -45
Conservative 32.4%
Seats +/-
198 +35
Lib Dem 22.0%
Seats +/-
62 +8
Others 10.4%
Seats +/-
30 +2
Still to declare: 0

Nathyn · Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 7927 Location: The Great Satan

Chymical wrote: Nathyn wrote: Chymical wrote: No, Chavez is the dictator cause he won an election with more then 49% of the vote. Unlike some recent republican president I won't mention.
I think you mean more than 50%.

A person with 49.1% of the vote loses the election...

Methinks you have had a doobie or two more than I... in proper democracies (remember usa presedantial election is far from democratic) 49% of the vote will 99% of the time guaruntee a win. check it...

Election 2005
Final results:
LAB majority: 66
Labour 35.3%
Seats +/-
356 -45
Conservative 32.4%
Seats +/-
198 +35
Lib Dem 22.0%
Seats +/-
62 +8
Others 10.4%
Seats +/-
30 +2
Still to declare: 0
Sorry, to rephrase myself, a person with 49.1% doesn't necessarily lose the election, but you still need 50% or more for a guaranteed win.

Saying, "Chavez is the dictator cause he won an election with more then 49% of the vote," doesn't make sense.

Your statement is right 99% of the time (roughly-speaking), but run 1% of the time.

And so, it isn't totally right.

Chymical · Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:49 pm Post subject:

and definitely not in the instance of which this thread is relevent.

Let's try this...

Venezuala election : international monitors pretty damn happy
US Presidential election: international monitors pretty damn disgusted.

Venezuala election: pretty democratic to modern standards...
US Pres elections: intentionally undemocratic and strictly two parties...

The Russian · Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 384 Location: Buffalo, NY

If anything, this country could use one serious liberal swing to the left... get some nationalised healthcare, school, education, housing and energy going. Let the NSA take a holiday for a couple years and apply taxes proportionatley.

I think Chavez is by far less dangerous in his anti-US stances than the US is in its anti-socialist stances... I'm sure he's not the one funding equadorian death-squads to assasinate socialist leaders or setting up a brutal opressive pro-capitalist regime in cuba, iran, iraq, saudi arabia, egypt or taiwan... did we forget nicaragua, chile, or haiti?... how bout our spout with supporting Japan over China after the latter was our ally, just because they were communists... also lets not forget the direct bent to chequita banna, where we assasinated leaders and removed an elected government for a focking american corporate entity! ... how about all those people McCarthy ruined the lives of?

your paranoya, and your attempt to villify a man, who by all standards is not perfect, falls on deff ears because if there was a list of evils in this world and it was based on who ran or supported more murderous regimes... we'd be screwd because we're so deep in the s**t of world affairs that we hold no moral credit with more than 95% the world... as the only credit we hold with them is of the litteral type, so dont get me started on just who has their hands on the throats of what countrys economy. American cant beat its chest for the duration of the cold war about free markets and then decide to play protectionist and boycot the goods of other countires on no more than capitalistic grounds where our own methods of screwing the consumer couldnt keep up with the low cost of doing the same overseas...

I actualy had no idea that Chavez and Kennedy extended this humanitarian act... now that I do, I'll be sure to buy at Citgo. Thank you for making me aware.

Nathyn · Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 7927 Location: The Great Satan

Chymical wrote: and definitely not in the instance of which this thread is relevent.

Let's try this...

Venezuala election : international monitors pretty damn happy
US Presidential election: international monitors pretty damn disgusted.

Venezuala election: pretty democratic to modern standards...
US Pres elections: intentionally undemocratic and strictly two parties...
Even so, I'd rather be ruled by Republicans than the Fifth Republic Movement or Hamas.

The Nazis won their election democratically too.

You're not really making a point here.

Rankor and Pissing · Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 10237

The Russian wrote:

I actualy had no idea that Chavez and Kennedy extended this humanitarian act... now that I do, I'll be sure to buy at Citgo. Thank you for making me aware.

Hey, you're choice. At least you acknowledge, understand and agree to being used as a tool, it's all good. Here's to the rabble of ignorant pawns of the world!

Canada_Rocks · Joined: 07 Jan 2005 Posts: 9046 Location: Vancouver

Quote: Apparently, the "devil" and "fire and brimstone" comments at the UN earlier this year had some fallout. That's why Hugo, who owns Citgo oil lock stock and barrel, needs a facelift with the people.

Wow, with a thesis statement like this your hatred for HUGO Tatally ISN'T based on the fact he cheap shotted your ideology. He dissed me so now I will dwell on it, bring it up whenever I can and then diss him back. na-na-na-na

Wow, what a half semester of a half ass psych class will buy me. I am impressed.

The Russian · Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 384 Location: Buffalo, NY

Rankor and Pissing wrote: The Russian wrote:

I actualy had no idea that Chavez and Kennedy extended this humanitarian act... now that I do, I'll be sure to buy at Citgo. Thank you for making me aware.

Hey, you're choice. At least you acknowledge, understand and agree to being used as a tool, it's all good. Here's to the rabble of ignorant pawns of the world!

funny how you choose to ignore 95% of the post justifying my position, for a sentence that would let you expulge your rabid one-liner, laden with ignorance and un-informed prejudice.

soldierofsoul · Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Posts: 256 Location: Fl

I dont go to tom thumbs anymore...

Brock · Joined: 04 Oct 2006 Posts: 297

Rankor and Pissing wrote: Well the two trolls are out... any actual constructive comment or debate on the OP or shall I simply conclude my assertions are much too accurate to debate?

:lol:

where do you get your info on hugo, the TV?

Chymical · Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:25 am Post subject:

www.foxnews.com for the best in American Truthiness.

Canada_Rocks · Joined: 07 Jan 2005 Posts: 9046 Location: Vancouver

Brock wrote: Rankor and Pissing wrote: Well the two trolls are out... any actual constructive comment or debate on the OP or shall I simply conclude my assertions are much too accurate to debate?

:lol:

where do you get your info on hugo, the TV?

From family dinner rantings.

Thrilla · Joined: 23 May 2005 Posts: 22323 Location: Sin City

why must threads turn into trollfests?... maybe becasue doing otherwise would entail actually using your noggin for something other than giving your hat a home?.... me thinks so :think:

discuss, debate...or get out

GTTofAK · Joined: 09 Jan 2005 Posts: 5968 Location: Alaska

Nathyn wrote: Chymical wrote: and definitely not in the instance of which this thread is relevent.

Let's try this...

Venezuala election : international monitors pretty damn happy
US Presidential election: international monitors pretty damn disgusted.

Venezuala election: pretty democratic to modern standards...
US Pres elections: intentionally undemocratic and strictly two parties...
Even so, I'd rather be ruled by Republicans than the Fifth Republic Movement or Hamas.

The Nazis won their election democratically too.

You're not really making a point here.

The Nazi's never won an election. Power was handed to them. But Ceaser was elected dictaor for life by the Senate thats a better example. The people can be bought off.

Nathyn · Joined: 24 Sep 2005 Posts: 7927 Location: The Great Satan

GTTofAK wrote: Nathyn wrote: Chymical wrote: and definitely not in the instance of which this thread is relevent.

Let's try this...

Venezuala election : international monitors pretty damn happy
US Presidential election: international monitors pretty damn disgusted.

Venezuala election: pretty democratic to modern standards...
US Pres elections: intentionally undemocratic and strictly two parties...
Even so, I'd rather be ruled by Republicans than the Fifth Republic Movement or Hamas.

The Nazis won their election democratically too.

You're not really making a point here.

The Nazi's never won an election. Power was handed to them. But Ceaser was elected dictaor for life by the Senate thats a better example. The people can be bought off.
No, *HITLER* never won an election.

The Nazis did, however, sweep the German elections in 1932.