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[Rankor and Pissing]

Apparently, the "devil" and "fire and brimstone" comments at the UN earlier this year had some fallout. That's why Hugo, who owns Citgo oil lock stock and barrel, needs a facelift with the people. Taking a chapter from Hamas as well as his buddy Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez with the Citgo brand has partnered with Joe Kennedy II, son of Bobby Kennedy, to bring cheap oil to the poor of the U.S.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNE0os3f3VY

http://www.citgo.com/WebOther/CommunityInvolvement/HeartToHearths.pdf

The question is why? Apologists will say it's because Hugo has a deep affection and want to help the American people because he's a humanitarian at heart. He's misunderstood apparently. The more pragmatic and educated will say, he's trying to gain points politically within the U.S. by bribing American's with cheap heating oil - and getting Joe Kennedy to front it and give it legitimacy.

Joe P. Kennedy II connection to Citizens Energy Corporation
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/02/17/kennedy_defends_venezuelan_heat_oil_program/?rss_id=Boston.com+--+Massachusetts+news

http://www.citizensenergy.com/

Some other areas where the propoganda machine is working is the Support Democracy and Buy Citgo Gas movement, which supplies a website which tells Chavez supporters "10 Things you can do to Support Venezuela", guess the best way? Buy Citgo gas. Since Hugo owns it, every time you buy from Citgo, Hugo puts the money in his pocket.


This is propaganda pure and simple - the marketing machine is working overtime to give Hugo a softer image. Hugo in turn, is buying off the American people and using Joe Kennedy to do it under the disguise of "helping the poor" and showing senior citizens in hardship to soften the American's hearts and cause sympathy. While there's no law against it - Hugo or anyone else can market and sell products to the U.S. consumer whenever they want as long as it's within the U.S. guidelines. I can't say people should refuse the oil, but then again, we need to out the propaganda and slimy methods and show exactly what and why he's doing what he's doing. It's bribery. And American consumers are too stupid or too depraved to refuse.

To those who have a choice and are willing to exercise that choice, I hope it's market and cost driven or politically driven. The damage control has started airing here in the North East on television commercials and I always get a good chuckle at watching it.

[Timmytour]

What an evil man. i can't imagine any American acting in this way :shock:

:lol:

[Dookiestix]

And what shall we do about the gas we buy which is imported from the Middle East?

[Timmytour]

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2006-01-11-citgo-cover-usat_x.htm

Quote: The question of Chávez's influence over Citgo was highlighted by the company's recent provision of 25 million gallons of subsidized home-heating oil to poor people in the northeast USA. More than 100,000 households in four states should eventually benefit from the low-cost heating aid.

But some worry that Venezuela's ownership of more than 6% of U.S. refinery capacity gives Chávez, a former paratrooper given to wearing red berets and military fatigues, the power to cripple as well as comfort.

As Hurricanes Katrina and Rita demonstrated, any disruption to the nation's refining industry instantly increases gas prices. What if Chávez, who periodically threatens to curtail oil shipments to the USA, closed Citgo's refineries?

"He'd only have to do that for 90 days, and he'd destroy our economy," worries Matthew Simmons, a prominent energy investment banker. "He actually has our livelihood in his hands."

Oooh he's such an evil man :evil:

No hang on...wait up...he hasn't actually done it. Fancy that, a man who could cripple the US economy but he choosing not to do so...

Quote: Late last year, as winter's first chill sent consumers reaching for their thermostats, a dozen U.S. senators asked 10 major oil companies to donate a portion of their record profits to help the poor. Only Citgo responded, dispatching tankers to housing projects in New York and Massachusetts in what Felix Rodriguez, the company president and chief executive, called a purely "humanitarian" gesture.

As if any more proof of how evil he is were needed! :evil:

Why couldn't he be more like those good old american misers and hoard all his money? What's wrong with the guy?

Those guys need all the money they can get. I'm totally behind this bid to boycott Citgo and contribute towards even greater profits for the large oil companies!

All together now....Chavez is Evil, Chavez is Evil, Chavez is Evil........

[Rankor and Pissing]

Well the two trolls are out... any actual constructive comment or debate on the OP or shall I simply conclude my assertions are much too accurate to debate?

:lol:

[GTTofAK]

Dookiestix wrote: And what shall we do about the gas we buy which is imported from the Middle East?
If there was a petition to impeach president Bush and he released the petition the general public to be used as a blacklist how would you feel Dookie. Because I know your name would be on it.

Hugo is an evil man.

[Reform]

Rankor and Pissing wrote:
The more pragmatic and educated will say, he's trying to gain points politically within the U.S. by bribing American's with cheap heating oil - and getting Joe Kennedy to front it and give it legitimacy.


:lol: Your nick and avatar reflect your opinions well.

Since, you don't know the first thing about Chavez, I assume, here is a little documentary that may enlighten your opinion a bit.

http://www.archive.org/details/Venezuela_Bolivariana_VEN_2004
http://www.documen.tv/asset/Venezuela_Bolivariana.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/08/296319.html

[Dookiestix]

GTTofAK wrote: Dookiestix wrote: And what shall we do about the gas we buy which is imported from the Middle East?
If there was a petition to impeach president Bush and he released the petition the general public to be used as a blacklist how would you feel Dookie. Because I know your name would be on it.

Hugo is an evil man.
So are terrorists who get oil money from guess who?

Is Hugo Chavez a terrorist?

And what was the purpose behind that last analogy?

I think it's hilarious hearing this cry of propoganda from those who have had no problems with the endless BS that comes from the White House.

[Nathyn]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: Apparently, the "devil" and "fire and brimstone" comments at the UN earlier this year had some fallout. That's why Hugo, who owns Citgo oil lock stock and barrel, needs a facelift with the people. Taking a chapter from Hamas as well as his buddy Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez with the Citgo brand has partnered with Joe Kennedy II, son of Bobby Kennedy, to bring cheap oil to the poor of the U.S.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNE0os3f3VY

http://www.citgo.com/WebOther/CommunityInvolvement/HeartToHearths.pdf

The question is why? Apologists will say it's because Hugo has a deep affection and want to help the American people because he's a humanitarian at heart. He's misunderstood apparently. The more pragmatic and educated will say, he's trying to gain points politically within the U.S. by bribing American's with cheap heating oil - and getting Joe Kennedy to front it and give it legitimacy.

Joe P. Kennedy II connection to Citizens Energy Corporation
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/02/17/kennedy_defends_venezuelan_heat_oil_program/?rss_id=Boston.com+--+Massachusetts+news

http://www.citizensenergy.com/

Some other areas where the propoganda machine is working is the Support Democracy and Buy Citgo Gas movement, which supplies a website which tells Chavez supporters "10 Things you can do to Support Venezuela", guess the best way? Buy Citgo gas. Since Hugo owns it, every time you buy from Citgo, Hugo puts the money in his pocket.


This is propaganda pure and simple - the marketing machine is working overtime to give Hugo a softer image. Hugo in turn, is buying off the American people and using Joe Kennedy to do it under the disguise of "helping the poor" and showing senior citizens in hardship to soften the American's hearts and cause sympathy. While there's no law against it - Hugo or anyone else can market and sell products to the U.S. consumer whenever they want as long as it's within the U.S. guidelines. I can't say people should refuse the oil, but then again, we need to out the propaganda and slimy methods and show exactly what and why he's doing what he's doing. It's bribery. And American consumers are too stupid or too depraved to refuse.

To those who have a choice and are willing to exercise that choice, I hope it's market and cost driven or politically driven. The damage control has started airing here in the North East on television commercials and I always get a good chuckle at watching it.
Rankor, I can't believe you would make such ignorant comments.

I just have one thing to say to you:

If you lived in Venezuela, you would be killed for your insolence. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Authoritarian Socialism. Viva La Chavez. The entire science of Economics be damned, his social programs will defy America. You just hate the Venezuela people.

Hugo Chavez may be opposed by the world's labor unions (including America's AFL-CIO), he may act more like a clown than a politician, he may have ordered a few political executions here and there, he may have stacked the court with favorable judges, his threat to eliminate Presidential term limits may have been shocking, his friendship with Castro may be disturbing, his economic policy may be of dubious validity, and it may be hypocritical of him to offer poor Americans cheap oil while actively seeking to raise world oil prices, but Hugo Chavez is a far-left Authoritarian Socialist who makes fun of Bush, and that's all that really matters.

Satan himself could be President of Venezuela, for all I care. As long as he makes fun of President Bush and promotes Chomsky, it doesn't make a difference to me how totalitarian his government is.

Really, I don't think anybody has any right to put forth any criticism of Hugo Chavez, such as, "He's not a real Socialist," until decades after now, when we've got conclusive evidence that he's a tyrannical dictator. Same way it was with Stalin and Mao. Did anyone have any right to criticize Stalin and Mao while they were alive and oppressing their citizens? No.

[NAB]

Nathyn wrote: Rankor and Pissing wrote: Apparently, the "devil" and "fire and brimstone" comments at the UN earlier this year had some fallout. That's why Hugo, who owns Citgo oil lock stock and barrel, needs a facelift with the people. Taking a chapter from Hamas as well as his buddy Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Hugo Chavez with the Citgo brand has partnered with Joe Kennedy II, son of Bobby Kennedy, to bring cheap oil to the poor of the U.S.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNE0os3f3VY

http://www.citgo.com/WebOther/CommunityInvolvement/HeartToHearths.pdf

The question is why? Apologists will say it's because Hugo has a deep affection and want to help the American people because he's a humanitarian at heart. He's misunderstood apparently. The more pragmatic and educated will say, he's trying to gain points politically within the U.S. by bribing American's with cheap heating oil - and getting Joe Kennedy to front it and give it legitimacy.

Joe P. Kennedy II connection to Citizens Energy Corporation
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/02/17/kennedy_defends_venezuelan_heat_oil_program/?rss_id=Boston.com+--+Massachusetts+news

http://www.citizensenergy.com/

Some other areas where the propoganda machine is working is the Support Democracy and Buy Citgo Gas movement, which supplies a website which tells Chavez supporters "10 Things you can do to Support Venezuela", guess the best way? Buy Citgo gas. Since Hugo owns it, every time you buy from Citgo, Hugo puts the money in his pocket.


This is propaganda pure and simple - the marketing machine is working overtime to give Hugo a softer image. Hugo in turn, is buying off the American people and using Joe Kennedy to do it under the disguise of "helping the poor" and showing senior citizens in hardship to soften the American's hearts and cause sympathy. While there's no law against it - Hugo or anyone else can market and sell products to the U.S. consumer whenever they want as long as it's within the U.S. guidelines. I can't say people should refuse the oil, but then again, we need to out the propaganda and slimy methods and show exactly what and why he's doing what he's doing. It's bribery. And American consumers are too stupid or too depraved to refuse.

To those who have a choice and are willing to exercise that choice, I hope it's market and cost driven or politically driven. The damage control has started airing here in the North East on television commercials and I always get a good chuckle at watching it.
Rankor, I can't believe you would make such ignorant comments.

I just have one thing to say to you:

If you lived in Venezuela, you would be killed for your insolence. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Authoritarian Socialism. Viva La Chavez. The entire science of Economics be damned, his social programs will defy America. You just hate the Venezuela people.

Hugo Chavez may be opposed by the world's labor unions (including America's AFL-CIO), he may act more like a clown than a politician, he may have ordered a few political executions here and there, he may have stacked the court with favorable judges, his threat to eliminate Presidential term limits may have been shocking, his friendship with Castro may be disturbing, his economic policy may be of dubious validity, and it may be hypocritical of him to offer poor Americans cheap oil while actively seeking to raise world oil prices, but Hugo Chavez is a far-left Authoritarian Socialist who makes fun of Bush, and that's all that really matters.

Satan himself could be President of Venezuela, for all I care. As long as he makes fun of President Bush and promotes Chomsky, it doesn't make a difference to me how totalitarian his government is.

Really, I don't think anybody has any right to put forth any criticism of Hugo Chavez, such as, "He's not a real Socialist," until decades after now, when we've got conclusive evidence that he's a tyrannical dictator. Same way it was with Stalin and Mao. Did anyone have any right to criticize Stalin and Mao while they were alive and oppressing their citizens? No.
:tu:

Is there such a thing as a Tin-pot demagogue jock sniffer? Asked and answered.

[Timmytour]

:lol:

I sense an obsession with fear.

There's a mad panic if there's not enough to fear.

It manifests itself with wild imaginings such as Chavez could turn out to be another Stalin or another Mao :shock: .

I wonder if there's a cure?

[Nathyn]

Timmytour wrote: :lol:

I sense an obsession with fear.

There's a mad panic if there's not enough to fear.

It manifests itself with wild imaginings such as Chavez could turn out to be another Stalin or another Mao :shock: .

I wonder if there's a cure?
I was being a bit facetious when I said he was definitely another Stalin or another Mao.

I admit that goes too far.

He's more comparable to the Shah of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and *gasp* President Bush.

You know, the "diet coke," of murderous dictators.

Then again, who knows? We'll just have to wait and see.

The fact is that people such as comrade Dookiestix from the Soviet Socialist Republic of San Francisco are just being blinded by partisanship. Hugo Chavez wants to run the country with an iron fist and not have anybody complain. So, he tosses out gifts like Santa Claus (though his bag of toys will eventually run out) and attacks Bush, and the left eats it up like a fat kid on cake.

[Dookiestix]

Nathyn wrote: Timmytour wrote: :lol:

I sense an obsession with fear.

There's a mad panic if there's not enough to fear.

It manifests itself with wild imaginings such as Chavez could turn out to be another Stalin or another Mao :shock: .

I wonder if there's a cure?
I was being a bit facetious when I said he was definitely another Stalin or another Mao.

I admit that goes too far.

He's more comparable to the Shah of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and *gasp* President Bush.

You know, the "diet coke," of murderous dictators.

Then again, who knows? We'll just have to wait and see.

The fact is that people such as comrade Dookiestix from the Soviet Socialist Republic of San Francisco are just being blinded by partisanship. Hugo Chavez wants to run the country with an iron fist and not have anybody complain. So, he tosses out gifts like Santa Claus (though his bag of toys will eventually run out) and attacks Bush, and the left eats it up like a fat kid on cake.
Wherever did you get the impression that I "eat this up" like some fat kid? I was merely pointing out Rankor and Pissing's hypocrisy regarding boycotting Chavez's gas when we do nothing in regards to funneling blood money to terrorists in the Middle East.

Honestly, when will these labels ever end? :roll:

[Nathyn]

Dookiestix wrote: Nathyn wrote: Timmytour wrote: :lol:

I sense an obsession with fear.

There's a mad panic if there's not enough to fear.

It manifests itself with wild imaginings such as Chavez could turn out to be another Stalin or another Mao :shock: .

I wonder if there's a cure?
I was being a bit facetious when I said he was definitely another Stalin or another Mao.

I admit that goes too far.

He's more comparable to the Shah of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and *gasp* President Bush.

You know, the "diet coke," of murderous dictators.

Then again, who knows? We'll just have to wait and see.

The fact is that people such as comrade Dookiestix from the Soviet Socialist Republic of San Francisco are just being blinded by partisanship. Hugo Chavez wants to run the country with an iron fist and not have anybody complain. So, he tosses out gifts like Santa Claus (though his bag of toys will eventually run out) and attacks Bush, and the left eats it up like a fat kid on cake.
Wherever did you get the impression that I "eat this up" like some fat kid? I was merely pointing out Rankor and Pissing's hypocrisy regarding boycotting Chavez's gas when we do nothing in regards to funneling blood money to terrorists in the Middle East.

Honestly, when will these labels ever end? :roll:
OK. You're right, Dookiestix. Your point is well-taken. We shouldn't just boycott Citgo. We should boycott all oil companies which fuel tyrannical, oppressive regimes. :-o

That's your point, right?

Because I agree.

[Medius]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: Well the two trolls are out... any actual constructive comment or debate on the OP or shall I simply conclude my assertions are much too accurate to debate?

:lol:

I don't agree politically with Hugo Chavez, but to be fair, he brought this idea to discussion prior to his speech about the president. Whatever his motives are for doing this, it isn't a direct response to the fallout from that speech.

This action is very consistant with his political methods. Whether through charity, principles, or political gain, Hugo Chavez has always allied himself with the poor and working class. It was this that brought him to power, kept him in power, and managed to repel an attempted coup. Whatever his reasons, it has proven to be a sound strategy for him and this move is perfectly consistant with his other actions.

[Timmytour]

Dookiestix wrote: Nathyn wrote: Timmytour wrote: :lol:

I sense an obsession with fear.

There's a mad panic if there's not enough to fear.

It manifests itself with wild imaginings such as Chavez could turn out to be another Stalin or another Mao :shock: .

I wonder if there's a cure?
I was being a bit facetious when I said he was definitely another Stalin or another Mao.

I admit that goes too far.

He's more comparable to the Shah of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and *gasp* President Bush.

You know, the "diet coke," of murderous dictators.

Then again, who knows? We'll just have to wait and see.

The fact is that people such as comrade Dookiestix from the Soviet Socialist Republic of San Francisco are just being blinded by partisanship. Hugo Chavez wants to run the country with an iron fist and not have anybody complain. So, he tosses out gifts like Santa Claus (though his bag of toys will eventually run out) and attacks Bush, and the left eats it up like a fat kid on cake.
Wherever did you get the impression that I "eat this up" like some fat kid? I was merely pointing out Rankor and Pissing's hypocrisy regarding boycotting Chavez's gas when we do nothing in regards to funneling blood money to terrorists in the Middle East.

Honestly, when will these labels ever end? :roll:

I think the US should ditch Venezuela and get all its oil from a nice decent state...like Equatorial Guinea.

A country rich in oil where the wealth generated by being one of the world's fastest growing economies is admirably kept from its people whose poverty ensures it remains close to the bottom of the UN development index.

A country where its leader has enjoyed such support among the population that he is returned with Saddam-like percentages in presidential elections.

A country that is in the top ten of Transparency International's most corrupt states.

A country whose government has been accused of widespread human rights abuses and of suppressing political opposition.

Ah yes. A much "nicer" proposition than the evil Chavez's Venezuela.

EQ sounds like a country it would be a pleasure to do business with. It sound like they feel the same way about the US...

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/7221.htm

Quote: U.S.-EQUATORIAL GUINEA RELATIONS
The Equatoguinean Government favorably views the U.S. Government and American companies. The United States is the largest single foreign investor in Equatorial Guinea. U.S. companies have the largest and most visible foreign presence in the country. In an effort to attract increased U.S. investment, American passport-holders are entitled to visa-free entry for short visits. The United States is the only country with this privilege. With the increased U.S. investment presence, relations between the U.S. and the Government of Equatorial Guinea have been characterized by a positive, constructive relationship.

Equatorial Guinea maintains an embassy in Washington, DC. President Obiang has worked to cultivate the Equatorial Guinea-U.S. relationship with regular visits to the U.S. for meetings with senior government and business leaders.

[ontheyslay]

I wonder which is better, buying oil from Iran, or buying it from Hugo. This is a tough one :roll:

[Rankor and Pissing]

Reform wrote: Rankor and Pissing wrote:
The more pragmatic and educated will say, he's trying to gain points politically within the U.S. by bribing American's with cheap heating oil - and getting Joe Kennedy to front it and give it legitimacy.


:lol: Your nick and avatar reflect your opinions well. I'm nothing if not consistent.

Reform wrote: Since, you don't know the first thing about Chavez, I assume, here is a little documentary that may enlighten your opinion a bit.

http://www.archive.org/details/Venezuela_Bolivariana_VEN_2004
http://www.documen.tv/asset/Venezuela_Bolivariana.html
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/08/296319.html

Chavez's history, bio and bathroom etiquette are irrelevant. The OP is regarding the media propaganda being levied against American citizen, his attempt to buy off people with cheap oil, and using John Kennedy II to lend legitimacy to it.

The Chavez biography has to wait for another thread.

[Rankor and Pissing]

Dookiestix wrote: Nathyn wrote: Timmytour wrote: :lol:

I sense an obsession with fear.

There's a mad panic if there's not enough to fear.

It manifests itself with wild imaginings such as Chavez could turn out to be another Stalin or another Mao :shock: .

I wonder if there's a cure?
I was being a bit facetious when I said he was definitely another Stalin or another Mao.

I admit that goes too far.

He's more comparable to the Shah of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and *gasp* President Bush.

You know, the "diet coke," of murderous dictators.

Then again, who knows? We'll just have to wait and see.

The fact is that people such as comrade Dookiestix from the Soviet Socialist Republic of San Francisco are just being blinded by partisanship. Hugo Chavez wants to run the country with an iron fist and not have anybody complain. So, he tosses out gifts like Santa Claus (though his bag of toys will eventually run out) and attacks Bush, and the left eats it up like a fat kid on cake.
Wherever did you get the impression that I "eat this up" like some fat kid? I was merely pointing out Rankor and Pissing's hypocrisy regarding boycotting Chavez's gas when we do nothing in regards to funneling blood money to terrorists in the Middle East.

Honestly, when will these labels ever end? :roll:

So... when can we expect you'll be selling your car, removing any and all petroleum based products from your home and place of work?

This includes:
- No use of a gas or diesel car, diesel based bus, train or air travel
- Combs, crayons, bandages
- Bubblegum, glue, golfballs
- Plastics of anykind (bags, products, electronics, etc.)
- Tires (bicycle, car, any kind)
- Clothing - especially nylon or anything with elastic in it
- Toothpaste, candles, milk or juice containers
- Garden hose, helmets, rubber products, sun-glasses

I can keep going. So you'll make sure all those materialistic items are out and you're driving to work with your horse and wooden buggy then right? There is no hypocrisy. I'm not seeing the House of Saud advertising for cheap oil to influence voters. If you've got something by way of that, please, share.

Otherwise, the "let's stop using petroleum" deal doesn't work, since I'd estimate about 60% of everything in your home, that you use every day is petroleum based, and the other 30% is probably dependent upon something petroleum based.

[Chymical]

So Chavez has the power to bring cheap gas to the poor of America whilst Bush does not?

No reason for a thread long b1tchfest Rankor...