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Fishstyx · Joined: 03 Nov 2004 Posts: 2914 Location: Baltimore, MD

Before the pile on continues, just wanted to point out that the report, according to the article, stated the "The CIA found no conclusive evidence, as yet, of a secret Iranian nuclear weapons program running parallel to the civilian operations that Iran has declared to the International Atomic Energy Agency,".

And on another point, Im so glad, with Iran being such a pressing issue, that the CIA assigned only one analyst team to the project! :roll:

soldierofsoul · Joined: 19 Nov 2006 Posts: 256 Location: Fl

ontheyslay wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: homerjay_s wrote: CountryGuy wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: Well sense Iran has admitted to having nuclear weapons I find this argument inconclusive.

When have they stated this?

They haven't. Iran has continually denied that they have any working nuclear weapons program and have consistently stated that their nuclear program is for energy only.

The CIA report states that there is no evidence to support claims by the whitehouse that the Iranians are working on nuclear weapons.

If they say they aren't developing nuclear weapons, and there is no evidence of them developing weapons, then they are probably not developing nuclear weapons. It's something we should keep our eye on, but that's it for now.

Well is it because a photo in the sky said that Iran was not producing nuclear weapons, don't trust the goverenment, we don't even have nuclear energy, do you think Iran does...?

Well now the government is saying two different things, Iran is making nukes, and the one that just came out, Iran isn't making Nukes. In these circumstances the saying "Don't trust your government" doesn't really apply.

Well thanks for prearranging my argument, well also our government is one lying source of argument, sorry, but they are not right, don't believe them.

Mr. Sunshine · Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 1324

Analysts are like opinions and @**holes; everyone has got one. Verifying an official leaked report or a manufactured one may be another problem. IAEA finding plutonium trace evidence is a third party source that everyone can trust. :lol:

sLiPpY · Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 9661

Mr. Sunshine wrote: Analysts are like opinions and @**holes; everyone has got one. Verifying an official leaked report or a manufactured one may be another problem. IAEA finding plutonium trace evidence is a third party source that everyone can trust. :lol:

I'm one of those folks who has to see it to believe it.

After Iran nukes Israel or vice versa...sure, I'll agree they have nukes.

Angelicus · Joined: 04 Apr 2006 Posts: 4682

CountryGuy wrote: I don't think any study should be ignored just because it doesn't fit in with a particular viewpoint. For this, I'm annoyed at the White House.

However, one study does not equate to the truth -- There have been other reports that point to the contrary. So, spinning this to mean there is no program is just as illogical.

It was a (and this is the operative word folks) DRAFT assessment.

It's not meant to be used.

Umm despite what that draft assessment said,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6084022.stm

I think there is very little doubt as too wether Iran is attempting too obtain nuclear materials or not.

:lol:

Oh let me guess now the BBC is on the Bush/Cheney dole too, and are lying for them. :roll:

Mr. Sunshine · Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 1324

Natanz

Hmm, what is that? :roll:

Nico · Joined: 03 Nov 2004 Posts: 10613 Location: Auckland

Mr. Sunshine wrote: Natanz

Hmm, what is that? :roll:

some stickers on a photo? they still only claim factors to enrichment, which is part of the power process as well as any other.
Given the administration's history with photos with stickers and arrows, i'd still assume we knew nothing at all.

Stop press: Functioning reactor discovered in the middle east that is suspected of churning out nuclear weapons with no known means of ascertaining where the weapons have gone. reactor appears to have been built by the dodgy French too. Better warm up the engines :

callous · Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 10:56 am Post subject:

Dookiestix wrote: callous wrote: Bush make great for slow burn us intelligence reputation.
Did Borat say that?

no, I said it in borat-ese

Kilo Tango · Joined: 12 Apr 2006 Posts: 8701 Location: D.C.

sLiPpY wrote:

The United States has accused Iran of pursuing nuclear weapons under the guise of a civilian energy program.
By United States I'm assuming you mean the administration, right? If so, do you have a link that backs up this statement? All I've heard is that they demand Iran stops enriching uranium and that they will not permit Iran to develop nuclear weapons. However, I've never heard them blatantly say Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons...even though that's consensus.

The Russian · Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 384 Location: Buffalo, NY

I think the problem with Iran is when on one hand they say they are not developing nuclear weapons, then the leader says they are going to wipe israel off the map, death to america, the holocaust never happened, etc..etc... While some may interpret these things as idle threats, we already know Iran supplys the insurgency in Iraq, supplied the Katyusha missiles to Lebanon, and aids Palestine with more weapons than food or money for social structure.

They havnt been exactly eager to proove us otherwise, no matter how many times they say they dont plan on making nukes...

but who knows... the middle east and particularly vile governments in the ME need Israel, to push their agendas, like Hitler needed the Jews...

indieinmich · Joined: 18 Oct 2006 Posts: 539 Location: michigan

I am so sick of all these CIA reports,analysis,drafts whatever you want to call them one day its this and one day its that ans who really knows whats true if any of it.

All I know is after this whole Iraq fiasco we had better be dam sure about what we know and dont know and we had better have a really really good plan we are already stretched thin as it is.

Mr. Sunshine · Joined: 07 Oct 2006 Posts: 1324

All anyone needs to know is that they are enriching uranium into plutonium as confirmed by the IAEA; and most of us have seen the picture of the plant presented. There is one use for enriching Uranium into Plutonium, weapons. Period. 8:)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium-238

Rankor and Pissing · Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 9508

callous wrote: Bush make great for slow burn us intelligence reputation.

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I used borat on stains in the bathtub once.

bob.appleyard · Joined: 15 Oct 2005 Posts: 7606 Location: Manchestar, innit

Mr. Sunshine wrote: All anyone needs to know is that they are enriching uranium into plutonium as confirmed by the IAEA; and most of us have seen the picture of the plant presented. There is one use for enriching Uranium into Plutonium, weapons. Period. 8:)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium-238

When Uranium is enriched, that means that the proportion of U-235 with respect to U-238 is increased. This is done with centrifuges, because they have slightly different weights, and so will seperate. It has nothing to do with Plutonium.

Dookiestix · Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:05 pm Post subject:

callous wrote: Dookiestix wrote: callous wrote: Bush make great for slow burn us intelligence reputation.
Did Borat say that?

no, I said it in borat-ese
:lol:

Dookiestix · Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 2:16 pm Post subject:

The Russian wrote: I think the problem with Iran is when on one hand they say they are not developing nuclear weapons, then the leader says they are going to wipe israel off the map, death to america, the holocaust never happened, etc..etc... While some may interpret these things as idle threats, we already know Iran supplys the insurgency in Iraq, supplied the Katyusha missiles to Lebanon, and aids Palestine with more weapons than food or money for social structure.

They havnt been exactly eager to proove us otherwise, no matter how many times they say they dont plan on making nukes...

but who knows... the middle east and particularly vile governments in the ME need Israel, to push their agendas, like Hitler needed the Jews...
Suffice it to say it's hard for most Americans to decipher between what is an idle threat (sabre rattling) as opposed to a real threat being vocalized by the Iranian government.

I saw Ted Koppel interviewed in regards to a special he did in Iran. The contrast between fundamentalist doctrine and "death to America" chants with that of an Iranian youth that currently embraces Western culture and represents roughly 70% of the population is striking, to say the least. Ted points out that these kids who recite ad nauseum "death to America" and "death to Israel" are far removed from the Iranian revolution, and really don't seem to embrace what they are actually saying with anything that resembles conviction and/or passion. They just say it as if it were part of the curriculum; a part that many aren't really thinking about, but is recited nonetheless.

Iran is that complex 800 lb Gorrilla on America's shoulders which beckons for better understanding, as well as MUCH better intelligence. And lest we forget the precarious situation we face by creating a chain effect which could in turn severely disrupt the flow of oil, thereby allowing a global economic catastrophe to slowly unfold.

What's even more frightening are the ill-informed who are quick to assume that Iran is the new bogeyman and that we must bomb them as soon as possible. It's this knee jerk philosophy that got us into our current mess in Iraq, and threatens to once again scare Americans into another pre-emptive conflict with Iran.

homerjay_s · Joined: 07 Oct 2005 Posts: 5252 Location: unknown

Angelicus wrote: CountryGuy wrote: I don't think any study should be ignored just because it doesn't fit in with a particular viewpoint. For this, I'm annoyed at the White House.

However, one study does not equate to the truth -- There have been other reports that point to the contrary. So, spinning this to mean there is no program is just as illogical.

It was a (and this is the operative word folks) DRAFT assessment.

It's not meant to be used.

Umm despite what that draft assessment said,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6084022.stm

I think there is very little doubt as too wether Iran is attempting too obtain nuclear materials or not.

:lol:

Oh let me guess now the BBC is on the Bush/Cheney dole too, and are lying for them. :roll:

The only thing your article prooves is that the Iranians are enriching Uranium for nuclear research. That is consistent with developing nuclear energy.