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[Moracca]

ontheyslay wrote: That's good news. Maybe other countries will wake up and realize it's not the end of the world as we know it if gays get married.

...and on the other side of the coin maybe leftists will wake up and realize that its not the end of the US if gays don't get married.

[Fionn mac Cumhaill]

Moracca wrote: ontheyslay wrote: That's good news. Maybe other countries will wake up and realize it's not the end of the world as we know it if gays get married.

...and on the other side of the coin maybe leftists will wake up and realize that its not the end of the US if gays don't get married.

Maybe the whole world will wake up and realize we have way bigger fish to fry.

[Nixon]

Moracca wrote: ontheyslay wrote: That's good news. Maybe other countries will wake up and realize it's not the end of the world as we know it if gays get married.

...and on the other side of the coin maybe leftists will wake up and realize that its not the end of the US if gays don't get married.

You must not have gotten the memo.

If you are against gay marriage, you might as well move back to the plantation and buy some slaves to work it. You are more of a threat than Bin Laden if you think gay people shouldn't wed.

funny world we live in, isn't it?

[ontheyslay]

Moracca wrote: ontheyslay wrote: That's good news. Maybe other countries will wake up and realize it's not the end of the world as we know it if gays get married.

...and on the other side of the coin maybe leftists will wake up and realize that its not the end of the US if gays don't get married.

So I guess the real question is would it be better to live in a society in which gays are legally discrimnated against, or one where they are not?

I suppose you'll let your God decide that for you.

[Proton]

Quote: ...and on the other side of the coin maybe leftists will wake up and realize that its not the end of the US if gays don't get married.
Oh, it wouldn't. So would covering women faces. Forbidding interracial marriage. Banning music. Me, stealing your money. Sure, the world would continue to exist, society can go on a bit modified.

But this is not of what makes the world end. It's a concept of freedom, and it doesn't matter what, and how small, anything that violates it must be eliminated.

If that's what the defense from the conservatives have reached "oh come on, nobody would notice it", they have hit rock hard bottom in being morally bankrupt.

[Saracen]

soldierofsoul wrote: That is another thing your religion comes before freedom, not saying anything to you, you can have your personal beliefs, but the countries in the Middle East need change, and if they don't wan't to, then America will make them change...

No, it doesn't. Religion comes with freedom. Yes, the MidEast needs change, and it is changing. America has no right to change it forcefully, as it has no moral position to do so.

Quote: Well I guess the thousands of people your muslim brotherin' killed means nothing?

Back before 1948? Please, read what I said again before you come up with a half-assed response.

[Moracca]

ontheyslay wrote: Moracca wrote: ontheyslay wrote: That's good news. Maybe other countries will wake up and realize it's not the end of the world as we know it if gays get married.

...and on the other side of the coin maybe leftists will wake up and realize that its not the end of the US if gays don't get married.

So I guess the real question is would it be better to live in a society in which gays are legally discrimnated against, or one where they are not?

I suppose you'll let your God decide that for you.

I'm not a lesbo and I still can't marry another woman.

Hey...ever heard of power of attorney, living wills, trusts or that old crusty thing called a will? How do you think the rest of us non-married, non-gays navigate around in the married world? Get a grip.

[Proton]

Quote: So I guess the real question is would it be better to live in a society in which gays are legally discrimnated against, or one where they are not?

I suppose you'll let your God decide that for you.
Wrong question. Because personal prefferance is not nesseserily the moral or free one. I would be better off by stealing "his" money as per the above example. This doesn't make it right.

Everyone must be free, as long as it doesn't violate someone else's freedom. It's that simple, and philosphers were saying that (but not heard) since ancient Greek times.
He must be free to achieve the best, according to his skills and abilities, and live as happy as he can. You know, pursuit of happiness and all that?

And of course, wither God tells me to steal his money or not is irrelevant. If He wants it, He can come down here and take it.

[Moracca]

Fionn mac Cumhaill wrote: Moracca wrote: ontheyslay wrote: That's good news. Maybe other countries will wake up and realize it's not the end of the world as we know it if gays get married.

...and on the other side of the coin maybe leftists will wake up and realize that its not the end of the US if gays don't get married.

Maybe the whole world will wake up and realize we have way bigger fish to fry.

You can't mention "fish" in a response to a posting about gays. Wait for the posting about lesbians before you bring fish into the mix. Thank you.

[Fionn mac Cumhaill]

I wonder if God is gay.
I strongly suspect Jesus was, and all those guys who decided to be a priest you had to swear off women for life (as if that was a big deal for them)

[Proton]

Quote: I'm not gay and I still can't marry another woman.
Logical fallacy, here is another example:

Concider that there are some people... who hate spaghetti (a prefferance).

And so they ban it.

Some complain. "But what about or freedom to eat spaghetti? It doesn't hurt anyone and it makes our lives happier" "This is discrimination!"

And the one answers:

"No it isn't. I/we can't eat spaghetti either."

Wither someone is happy (intentionally) or not with a reduction of freedom, does not change the fundamental fact that it gets reduced, and that others aren't especially when based in no-sense.

[Fionn mac Cumhaill]

Proton wrote: Quote: I'm not gay and I still can't marry another woman.
Logical fallacy, here is another example:

Concider that there are some people... who hate spaghetti (a prefferance).

And so they ban it.

Some complain. "But what about or freedom to eat spaghetti? It doesn't hurt anyone and it makes our lives happier" "This is discrimination!"

And the one answers:

"No it isn't. I/we can't eat spaghetti either."

Wither someone is happy (intentionally) or not with a reduction of freedom, does not change the fundamental fact that it gets reduced, and that others aren't especially when based in no-sense.

I hate Spaghettiphobes!

[ontheyslay]

Moracca wrote: ontheyslay wrote: Moracca wrote: ontheyslay wrote: That's good news. Maybe other countries will wake up and realize it's not the end of the world as we know it if gays get married.

...and on the other side of the coin maybe leftists will wake up and realize that its not the end of the US if gays don't get married.

So I guess the real question is would it be better to live in a society in which gays are legally discrimnated against, or one where they are not?

I suppose you'll let your God decide that for you.

I'm not gay and I still can't marry another woman.

Hey...ever heard of power of attorney, living wills, trusts or that old crusty thing called a will? How do you think the rest of us non-married, non-gays navigate around in the married world? Get a grip.

What the hell?

That is quite simply the most ridiculous excuse for not allowing gay marriage I have ever heard. Because you are not gay so you can't gay marry? You don't belong to the gay community or want to marry another woman, so how are you being discriminated against?

[Moracca]

Proton wrote: Quote: So I guess the real question is would it be better to live in a society in which gays are legally discrimnated against, or one where they are not?

I suppose you'll let your God decide that for you.
Wrong question. Because personal prefferance is not nesseserily the moral or free one. I would be better off by stealing "his" money as per the above example. This doesn't make it right.

Everyone must be free, as long as it doesn't violate someone else's freedom. It's that simple, and philosphers were saying that (but not heard) since ancient Greek times.
He must be free to achieve the best, according to his skills and abilities, and live as happy as he can. You know, pursuit of happiness and all that?

And of course, wither God tells me to steal his money or not is irrelevant. If He wants it, He can come down here and take it.

Look, I'm not totally against gay marriage. If a lesbian and a gay man want to get married I wish them all the best. :lol:

But seriously, gays have access to everything married straights do under different titles except when it comes to taxes.

[Moracca]

ontheyslay wrote: Moracca wrote: ontheyslay wrote: Moracca wrote: ontheyslay wrote: That's good news. Maybe other countries will wake up and realize it's not the end of the world as we know it if gays get married.

...and on the other side of the coin maybe leftists will wake up and realize that its not the end of the US if gays don't get married.

So I guess the real question is would it be better to live in a society in which gays are legally discrimnated against, or one where they are not?

I suppose you'll let your God decide that for you.

I'm not gay and I still can't marry another woman.

Hey...ever heard of power of attorney, living wills, trusts or that old crusty thing called a will? How do you think the rest of us non-married, non-gays navigate around in the married world? Get a grip.

What the hell?

That is quite simply the most ridiculous excuse for not allowing gay marriage I have ever heard. Because you are not gay so you can't gay marry? You don't belong to the gay community or want to marry another woman, so how are you being discriminated against?

And allowing two gays to get married is one of the most ridculous things that I have ever heard! And no, I am not gay, but I can't marry another woman just for sh!ts and giggles. I AM BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST!!!

Boo-da-fuk-hoo. Go to Canada or convert to Judaism and go to Israel if your a male sausage jockey who wants to marry your BF.

[ontheyslay]

Moracca wrote: Proton wrote: Quote: So I guess the real question is would it be better to live in a society in which gays are legally discrimnated against, or one where they are not?

I suppose you'll let your God decide that for you.
Wrong question. Because personal prefferance is not nesseserily the moral or free one. I would be better off by stealing "his" money as per the above example. This doesn't make it right.

Everyone must be free, as long as it doesn't violate someone else's freedom. It's that simple, and philosphers were saying that (but not heard) since ancient Greek times.
He must be free to achieve the best, according to his skills and abilities, and live as happy as he can. You know, pursuit of happiness and all that?

And of course, wither God tells me to steal his money or not is irrelevant. If He wants it, He can come down here and take it.

Look, I'm not totally against gay marriage. If a lesbian and a gay man want to get married I wish them all the best. :lol:

But seriously, gays have access to everything married straights do under different titles except when it comes to taxes.

So it's seperate but equal. I don't know my American history all that well, but that turned out OK didn't it?

[ontheyslay]

Moracca wrote: ontheyslay wrote: Moracca wrote: ontheyslay wrote: Moracca wrote: ontheyslay wrote: That's good news. Maybe other countries will wake up and realize it's not the end of the world as we know it if gays get married.

...and on the other side of the coin maybe leftists will wake up and realize that its not the end of the US if gays don't get married.

So I guess the real question is would it be better to live in a society in which gays are legally discrimnated against, or one where they are not?

I suppose you'll let your God decide that for you.

I'm not gay and I still can't marry another woman.

Hey...ever heard of power of attorney, living wills, trusts or that old crusty thing called a will? How do you think the rest of us non-married, non-gays navigate around in the married world? Get a grip.

What the hell?

That is quite simply the most ridiculous excuse for not allowing gay marriage I have ever heard. Because you are not gay so you can't gay marry? You don't belong to the gay community or want to marry another woman, so how are you being discriminated against?

And allowing two gays to get married is one of the most ridculous things that I have ever heard! And no, I am not gay, but I can't marry another woman just for sh!ts and giggles. I AM BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST!!!

Boo-da-fuk-hoo. Go to Canada or convert to Judaism and go to Israel.

So you can't marry a woman for ***** and giggles and you think you are being disciminated against. I think this is a case where you have completely lost it.

But seriously, you know have ridiculous that argument is, just admit it.

[Moracca]

ontheyslay wrote: Moracca wrote: Proton wrote: Quote: So I guess the real question is would it be better to live in a society in which gays are legally discrimnated against, or one where they are not?

I suppose you'll let your God decide that for you.
Wrong question. Because personal prefferance is not nesseserily the moral or free one. I would be better off by stealing "his" money as per the above example. This doesn't make it right.

Everyone must be free, as long as it doesn't violate someone else's freedom. It's that simple, and philosphers were saying that (but not heard) since ancient Greek times.
He must be free to achieve the best, according to his skills and abilities, and live as happy as he can. You know, pursuit of happiness and all that?

And of course, wither God tells me to steal his money or not is irrelevant. If He wants it, He can come down here and take it.

Look, I'm not totally against gay marriage. If a lesbian and a gay man want to get married I wish them all the best. :lol:

But seriously, gays have access to everything married straights do under different titles except when it comes to taxes.

So it's seperate but equal. I don't know my American history all that well, but that turned out OK didn't it?

Sorry, the gays of today aren't the blacks of yesterday. Nice try. If you want to continue down that road I'd like to see your views on incest marriages. Perhaps grandfather who want to marry their 12 year-old grandsons. You gonna deny them their "rights" as well?

[Proton]

There is no discrimination when freedom is increased. You have the right not to go down a road, but the freedom to go down to.
Discrimination is when you don't have the right to go down the road.

[Moracca]

ontheyslay wrote: Moracca wrote: ontheyslay wrote: Moracca wrote: ontheyslay wrote: Moracca wrote: ontheyslay wrote: That's good news. Maybe other countries will wake up and realize it's not the end of the world as we know it if gays get married.

...and on the other side of the coin maybe leftists will wake up and realize that its not the end of the US if gays don't get married.

So I guess the real question is would it be better to live in a society in which gays are legally discrimnated against, or one where they are not?

I suppose you'll let your God decide that for you.

I'm not gay and I still can't marry another woman.

Hey...ever heard of power of attorney, living wills, trusts or that old crusty thing called a will? How do you think the rest of us non-married, non-gays navigate around in the married world? Get a grip.

What the hell?

That is quite simply the most ridiculous excuse for not allowing gay marriage I have ever heard. Because you are not gay so you can't gay marry? You don't belong to the gay community or want to marry another woman, so how are you being discriminated against?

And allowing two gays to get married is one of the most ridculous things that I have ever heard! And no, I am not gay, but I can't marry another woman just for sh!ts and giggles. I AM BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST!!!

Boo-da-fuk-hoo. Go to Canada or convert to Judaism and go to Israel.

So you can't marry a woman for ***** and giggles and you think you are being disciminated against. I think this is a case where you have completely lost it.

But seriously, you know have ridiculous that argument is, just admit it.

No, you gay lovers lost it long ago when you thought that their unions were "normal". :lol: