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[The Comrade]

soldierofsoul wrote:

Well before you ask me questions, read what I have previously written...and no I did not say that all catholics are going to hell, I just have certain vendettas against the catholc religion(there praying to saints, and marry, etc.) but there are many catholics who have completly devoted there selves to God, I love that, I wish I had the religous convictions to do so.


answer the questions please.

[soldierofsoul]

The Comrade wrote: soldierofsoul wrote:

Well before you ask me questions, read what I have previously written...and no I did not say that all catholics are going to hell, I just have certain vendettas against the catholc religion(there praying to saints, and marry, etc.) but there are many catholics who have completly devoted there selves to God, I love that, I wish I had the religous convictions to do so.


answer the questions please.

Well I already have, I don't want to repost what I have already said.

[The Comrade]

soldierofsoul wrote:
Well I already have, I don't want to repost what I have already said.


you have no answer the questions i have asked you. i have recieved no response from you in answer to my questions.


so i will ask again, answer the questions.

[Moracca]

Proton wrote: Quote: Homosexaulity is not normal. Benefits for all should be. Working on a system where benefits can be afforded to all without discrimination while soothing all opinions on sexual orientation can be achieved. However, you push against my morals and I will push back. Sorry.
I find it a lot more normal than homophobia.

Gays hug, snuggle, cuddle, oh, and reach many many delicious orgasms.

Homophones on the other hand exhibit behaviors all the way up to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard (December 1, 1976 – October 12, 1998). And let's not mention how many times across history has happened, what history in fact? Again, just take a look at the existence of all those conservatives and what they say in private in their little forums. That's natural?

To me it's clear, which is the lifestyle choice, and which is the mental disturbance. The dangerous mental disturbance.

Which is why I prescribe pills. Jugs of them. Then when we are all calmed down and buy chocolates to one another we can face the dreadful vision of a society with straights...

... and gays.

Each living their own life, in liberty, pursuing happiness.

Homophobia is an extremely broad definition. Even not approving of the gay lifestyle is considered "homophobia" according to your Wikipedia source. If you chose to label my disapproval of the gay lifestyle as "homophobia" then there is nothing that I can say. All I know is that I offer solutions to the issue while you offer labels.

[soldierofsoul]

Well I feel homosexuality is not natural because you can not have a kid in a homosexual relationship, it is not what the Lord intended. He wanted unions between man and woman, he created us that way, not to be lost in a perverse relationship that hurts the world(spread of disease, etc.). Most gays I have noticed were either abused as a child, or had some form mental instability as a kid. No, they are not normal, there feelings are unnatural.

This is what I feel to the genetics of gay individuals.

[Chymical]

We have to label religious peoples irrational and unjusifiable hatreds otherwise they'd get away with it more.

but then if you guys wish I can throw your some nice evidence the more religious the country, the more little boys bums become most curiously sore.

one hypocrisy leads to another, and another and another, but tell me folks, why aren't you still stoning people?

oh yeah, this godless state we live in.

You don't even follow your own book you profess to love so much the word of?

So you eiher think the boble is wrong, or gays should be put to death.
Can't have your hypocrit pie and eat it y'know...righteous indigestion that is.

[The Comrade]

soldierofsoul wrote: Well I feel homosexuality is not natural because you can not have a kid in a homosexual relationship,

so you define genetics as unnatural?

soldierofsoul wrote: it is not what the Lord intended.

did god not make genetics?

soldierofsoul wrote: He wanted unions between man and woman, he created us that way, not to be lost in a perverse relationship that hurts the world(spread of disease, etc.).

homsexuality doesn't spread anymore diseases then hetorsexuality does.

and if god hadn't intended for people to be homosexuals then he wouldn't have made genetics.


soldierofsoul wrote: Most gays I have noticed were either abused as a child, or had some form mental instability as a kid. No, they are not normal, there feelings are unnatural.

rash generalization.

[soldierofsoul]

[quote="The Comrade"] soldierofsoul wrote: Well I feel homosexuality is not natural because you can not have a kid in a homosexual relationship,

so you define genetics as unnatural?

soldierofsoul wrote: it is not what the Lord intended.

did god not make genetics?

soldierofsoul wrote: He wanted unions between man and woman, he created us that way, not to be lost in a perverse relationship that hurts the world(spread of disease, etc.).

homsexuality doesn't spread anymore diseases then hetorsexuality does.

and if god hadn't intended for people to be homosexuals then he wouldn't have made genetics.


soldierofsoul wrote: Most gays I have noticed were either abused as a child, or had some form mental instability as a kid. No, they are not normal, there feelings are unnatural.

Yes the Lord did make genetics, but not for our own perverse gains, no matter what you say, you cannot argue with the Word of God, just because we are on this earth and can make our own desicions, does not make our desicions right, the Lord made us to serve him, not sexuality.

[Moracca]

soldierofsoul wrote: Well I feel homosexuality is not natural because you can not have a kid in a homosexual relationship, it is not what the Lord intended. He wanted unions between man and woman, he created us that way, not to be lost in a perverse relationship that hurts the world(spread of disease, etc.). Most gays I have noticed were either abused as a child, or had some form mental instability as a kid. No, they are not normal, there feelings are unnatural.

This is what I feel to the genetics of gay individuals.

Arguing against homosexuality in a religious form is counter productive when debating atheists. The "disease" factor is also counter productive. Its easier just to stand by your conviction that homosexuality is not natural and offer solutions to the benefit problem that gays face. When you offer a sensible solution based on things other than sexuality the atheists and leftists will ignore it and continue to attempt to tell you how ill or bigoted you are. Its a circle that won't end. Trust the voters. Even in blue states they vote against gay marriage.

[soldierofsoul]

Chymical wrote: We have to label religious peoples irrational and unjusifiable hatreds otherwise they'd get away with it more.

but then if you guys wish I can throw your some nice evidence the more religious the country, the more little boys bums become most curiously sore.

one hypocrisy leads to another, and another and another, but tell me folks, why aren't you still stoning people?

oh yeah, this godless state we live in.

You don't even follow your own book you profess to love so much the word of?

So you eiher think the boble is wrong, or gays should be put to death.
Can't have your hypocrit pie and eat it y'know...righteous indigestion that is.

Well actually it was not the christians that stoned people, Jesus actually stoped a angry mob that wanted to stone a w****, Jesus said "he who are without sin cast the first stone". Now I know christianity has made some mistakes in the past, but like God says no one is without sin, faith in God is the most important thing we can possibly achieve, the Lord loves us very much, including gays. Us christians can only pray for souls, we cannot grant salvation only Jesus can.

[The Comrade]

soldierofsoul wrote:
Yes the Lord did make genetics, but not for our own perverse gains, no matter what you say, you cannot argue with the Word of God, just because we are on this earth and can make our own desicions, does not make our desicions right, the Lord made us to serve him, not sexuality.


homosexuality is all genetic. what you are saying is that god contradicted himself, and as such, this disproves god.

[soldierofsoul]

Moracca wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: Well I feel homosexuality is not natural because you can not have a kid in a homosexual relationship, it is not what the Lord intended. He wanted unions between man and woman, he created us that way, not to be lost in a perverse relationship that hurts the world(spread of disease, etc.). Most gays I have noticed were either abused as a child, or had some form mental instability as a kid. No, they are not normal, there feelings are unnatural.

This is what I feel to the genetics of gay individuals.

Arguing against homosexuality in a religious form is counter productive when debating atheists. The "disease" factor is also counter productive. Its easier just to stand by your conviction that homosexuality is not natural and offer solutions to the benefit problem that gays face. When you offer a sensible solution based on things other than sexuality the atheists and leftists will ignore it and continue to attempt to tell you how ill or bigoted you are. Its a circle that won't end. Trust the voters. Even in blue states they vote against gay marriage.

Well, it is my religous convictions, I know they are aithies(or agnostics), but should I abbandon what I believe because of what they think. No.
Now this argument may lead to nowhere, I am prepared for that. :)

[soldierofsoul]

The Comrade wrote: soldierofsoul wrote:
Yes the Lord did make genetics, but not for our own perverse gains, no matter what you say, you cannot argue with the Word of God, just because we are on this earth and can make our own desicions, does not make our desicions right, the Lord made us to serve him, not sexuality.


homosexuality is all genetic. what you are saying is that god contradicted himself, and as such, this disproves god.

No it does not disprove God, maybe in your opinion, but in mine, God loves the world, God did not contradict himself, he made a great creation(man), but we are not without fault(that is why we have Jesus). You can argue and argue to the point of no return, but God is truth, and the only truth in the world.

[Saracen]

soldierofsoul wrote: Well, it is my religous convictions, I know they are aithies(or agnostics), but should I abbandon what I believe because of what they think. No.
Now this argument may lead to nowhere, I am prepared for that.

No, you don't have to abandon what you believe in, but you don't have to force them into believing what you believe in either.

[Moracca]

soldierofsoul wrote: Moracca wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: Well I feel homosexuality is not natural because you can not have a kid in a homosexual relationship, it is not what the Lord intended. He wanted unions between man and woman, he created us that way, not to be lost in a perverse relationship that hurts the world(spread of disease, etc.). Most gays I have noticed were either abused as a child, or had some form mental instability as a kid. No, they are not normal, there feelings are unnatural.

This is what I feel to the genetics of gay individuals.

Arguing against homosexuality in a religious form is counter productive when debating atheists. The "disease" factor is also counter productive. Its easier just to stand by your conviction that homosexuality is not natural and offer solutions to the benefit problem that gays face. When you offer a sensible solution based on things other than sexuality the atheists and leftists will ignore it and continue to attempt to tell you how ill or bigoted you are. Its a circle that won't end. Trust the voters. Even in blue states they vote against gay marriage.

Well, it is my religous convictions, I know they are aithies(or agnostics), but should I abbandon what I believe because of what they think. No.
Now this argument may lead to nowhere, I am prepared for that. :)

The problem is that religion is not science. Atheists rely on a lot of science to disprove religious beliefs while ignoring the foundation of religion...faith. Anyway, when you argue the issue of homosexuality with atheists and leftists it is easier to use science over religion. A hint...in the animal kingdom, homosexuality is a fluke when observed and has never been documented as a standard sexual relationship outside of the human race. You don't have to abandon your religious beliefs, just argue them in a different light.

I haven't mentioned religion in my arguments against homosexuality and yet the leftists and atheists attempt to tag me with the religion tag. Its their backdrop even when religion is not mentioned.

[soldierofsoul]

Moracca wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: Moracca wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: Well I feel homosexuality is not natural because you can not have a kid in a homosexual relationship, it is not what the Lord intended. He wanted unions between man and woman, he created us that way, not to be lost in a perverse relationship that hurts the world(spread of disease, etc.). Most gays I have noticed were either abused as a child, or had some form mental instability as a kid. No, they are not normal, there feelings are unnatural.

This is what I feel to the genetics of gay individuals.

Arguing against homosexuality in a religious form is counter productive when debating atheists. The "disease" factor is also counter productive. Its easier just to stand by your conviction that homosexuality is not natural and offer solutions to the benefit problem that gays face. When you offer a sensible solution based on things other than sexuality the atheists and leftists will ignore it and continue to attempt to tell you how ill or bigoted you are. Its a circle that won't end. Trust the voters. Even in blue states they vote against gay marriage.

Well, it is my religous convictions, I know they are aithies(or agnostics), but should I abbandon what I believe because of what they think. No.
Now this argument may lead to nowhere, I am prepared for that. :)

The problem is that religion is not science. Atheists rely on a lot of science to disprove religious beliefs while ignoring the foundation of religion...faith. Anyway, when you argue the issue of homosexuality with atheists and leftists it is easier to use science over religion. A hint...in the animal kingdom, homosexuality is a fluke when observed and has never been documented as a standard sexual relationship outside of the human race. You don't have to abandon your religious beliefs, just argue them in a different light.

I haven't mentioned religion in my arguments against homosexuality and yet the leftists and atheists attempt to tag me with the religion tag. Its their backdrop even when religion is not mentioned.

Well thanks for your input, they are very lost, they need to know God, now if they get angry at me and call me a extremist, I don't care I know what I believe, they need a rude awakening, that there supposed truths are nothing but what they have been taught to believe.

[soldierofsoul]

Saracen wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: Well, it is my religous convictions, I know they are aithies(or agnostics), but should I abbandon what I believe because of what they think. No.
Now this argument may lead to nowhere, I am prepared for that.

No, you don't have to abandon what you believe in, but you don't have to force them into believing what you believe in either.

Not forcing, my Muslim friend, but giving them something to think about.

[Saracen]

soldierofsoul wrote: Saracen wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: Well, it is my religous convictions, I know they are aithies(or agnostics), but should I abbandon what I believe because of what they think. No.
Now this argument may lead to nowhere, I am prepared for that.

No, you don't have to abandon what you believe in, but you don't have to force them into believing what you believe in either.

Not forcing, my Muslim friend, but giving them something to think about.

Allow me to give you something to think about.

[The Comrade]

soldierofsoul wrote:

No it does not disprove God, maybe in your opinion, but in mine, God loves the world, God did not contradict himself, he made a great creation(man), but we are not without fault(that is why we have Jesus). You can argue and argue to the point of no return, but God is truth, and the only truth in the world.


god made genetics, according to your own admission.

homosexuality is all genetic, according to science

therefor, god made homosexuality, did he not?

[soldierofsoul]

Saracen wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: Saracen wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: Well, it is my religous convictions, I know they are aithies(or agnostics), but should I abbandon what I believe because of what they think. No.
Now this argument may lead to nowhere, I am prepared for that.

No, you don't have to abandon what you believe in, but you don't have to force them into believing what you believe in either.

Not forcing, my Muslim friend, but giving them something to think about.

Allow me to give you something to think about.

I have read a few islamic books, including parts of the Koran I appreciate it but I know what you believe, and I know what I believe.