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[Enlightened Despot]

I don't dig FOX, but this woman might be a little insensitive...to say the least

http://youtube.com/watch?v=04nZ9OWTKwA&mode=related&search=

[feederband]

Enlightened Despot wrote: I don't dig FOX, but this woman might be a little insensitive...to say the least

http://youtube.com/watch?v=04nZ9OWTKwA&mode=related&search=

I think she has had just to many sips of the holy water...

[sparsely]

She's right, to a point.
Dead soldiers are a direct result of using God's name to promote murder, deceit, division, and exploitation.

[eynon]

sparsely wrote: She's right, to a point.
Dead soldiers are a direct result of using God's name to promote murder, deceit, division, and exploitation.

ah come-on! you're not blaming this war on religion are ya? :-|

btw........that vid, I think I lost some IQ points watching it........I'm gonna go drink heavily now.

[toddytodd]

eynon wrote: btw........that vid, I think I lost some IQ points watching it........I'm gonna go drink heavily now.

Well if you lost some IQ points, that woman sure didn't find them. She appeared to be high....or something.

[toddytodd]

sparsely wrote: She's right, to a point.
Dead soldiers are a direct result of using God's name to promote murder, deceit, division, and exploitation.

Why only "to a point"? Why isn't she right 100%?

[toddytodd]

Enlightened Despot wrote: I don't dig FOX, but this woman might be a little insensitive...to say the least

http://youtube.com/watch?v=04nZ9OWTKwA&mode=related&search=

They are a waste of perfectly good oxygen, to say the least.

[eynon]

toddytodd wrote: eynon wrote: btw........that vid, I think I lost some IQ points watching it........I'm gonna go drink heavily now.

Well if you lost some IQ points, that woman sure didn't find them. She appeared to be high....or something.

:lol: :lol: :lol: nice one :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Darth Tiberius]

eynon wrote: sparsely wrote: She's right, to a point.
Dead soldiers are a direct result of using God's name to promote murder, deceit, division, and exploitation.

ah come-on! you're not blaming this war on religion are ya? :-|

btw........that vid, I think I lost some IQ points watching it........I'm gonna go drink heavily now.

Religion is the root of all evil. The war was for many reasons. Oil, money, political imperialism and partly to establish a Juedo-Christian base in a Muslim surrounding region. The plan failed and now Muslim fundamentalists who do not represent the moderate Muslims are taking over Iraq and giving terrorists and Jihadists more fuel to promote their terror. So you see/ Religion is a big part.

[eynon]

Darth Tiberius wrote: eynon wrote: sparsely wrote: She's right, to a point.
Dead soldiers are a direct result of using God's name to promote murder, deceit, division, and exploitation.

ah come-on! you're not blaming this war on religion are ya? :-|

btw........that vid, I think I lost some IQ points watching it........I'm gonna go drink heavily now.

Religion is the root of all evil. The war was for many reasons. Oil, money, political imperialism and partly to establish a Juedo-Christian base in a Muslim surrounding region. The plan failed and now Muslim fundamentalists who do not represent the moderate Muslims are taking over Iraq and giving terrorists and Jihadists more fuel to promote their terror. So you see/ Religion is a big part.

establish a Juedo-Christian base? that had nothing to do with the war.........we're not trying to convert the Iraqis, the mission is secular.

As for religion being the root of all evil, where are you getting that? money, greed, sex.......you could make cases for those being the root, but religion. You're gonna have to make some specific cases for that.

[Darth Tiberius]

eynon wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: eynon wrote: sparsely wrote: She's right, to a point.
Dead soldiers are a direct result of using God's name to promote murder, deceit, division, and exploitation.

ah come-on! you're not blaming this war on religion are ya? :-|

btw........that vid, I think I lost some IQ points watching it........I'm gonna go drink heavily now.

Religion is the root of all evil. The war was for many reasons. Oil, money, political imperialism and partly to establish a Juedo-Christian base in a Muslim surrounding region. The plan failed and now Muslim fundamentalists who do not represent the moderate Muslims are taking over Iraq and giving terrorists and Jihadists more fuel to promote their terror. So you see/ Religion is a big part.

establish a Juedo-Christian base? that had nothing to do with the war.........we're not trying to convert the Iraqis, the mission is secular.

As for religion being the root of all evil, where are you getting that? money, greed, sex.......you could make cases for those being the root, but religion. You're gonna have to make some specific cases for that.

I never said anything about conversion. A juedo-Christian base is being established to battle the Muslim governments surrounding it. Think about it. Pushing democracy that is not suited for them. And Bush's government can use that base to try and push policies and effects on the two countries it defines as the "asix of evil". It is all just a ploy. The mission is tainted by greed and religion.

Here's some questions to ask yourself when asking whether religion is the root of all evil;
How many people have died in history for and because of religion?
How many divisions in societies have been caused by religion?
Why does the church impose itself on others?
What makes humans turn against themselves and logic?
And so many other questions.

It is important to keep the world secular and religion in the confines of behind closed doors.

[greeneye]

[quote="Darth Tiberius"] eynon wrote: Darth Tiberius wrote: eynon wrote: sparsely wrote: She's right, to a point.
Dead soldiers are a direct result of using God's name to promote murder, deceit, division, and exploitation.

ah come-on! you're not blaming this war on religion are ya? :-|

btw........that vid, I think I lost some IQ points watching it........I'm gonna go drink heavily now.

Religion is the root of all evil. The war was for many reasons. Oil, money, political imperialism and partly to establish a Juedo-Christian base in a Muslim surrounding region. The plan failed and now Muslim fundamentalists who do not represent the moderate Muslims are taking over Iraq and giving terrorists and Jihadists more fuel to promote their terror. So you see/ Religion is a big part.

establish a Juedo-Christian base? that had nothing to do with the war.........we're not trying to convert the Iraqis, the mission is secular.

As for religion being the root of all evil, where are you getting that? money, greed, sex.......you could make cases for those being the root, but religion. You're gonna have to make some specific cases for that.

This lady is out to lunch....

Darth Tiberius wrote: Here's some questions to ask yourself when asking whether religion is the root of all evil;
How many people have died in history for and because of religion?

Millions.... however it's not because of religion but became man has agressively fought to control the simple and clear Message of religion.

Darth Tiberius wrote: How many divisions in societies have been caused by religion?

Lots.... however, religion does not cause division. Man causes and creates division in the name of religion.

Darth Tiberius wrote: Why does the church impose itself on others?

1. Power and control over man's salvation.
2. It's become profitable.

Darth Tiberius wrote: What makes humans turn against themselves and logic?

Lack of self worth. The message of the New Testament, BTW was not about removing self worth from the individual. The NT empowers man. The church has stripped away that empowerment and the core message of Jesus. Bad men will do what bad men will do to gain power over other men. However, it's not about religion.... it's about power and control ... all in the name of religion and the noble Message that religion brings to help man overcome.

[eynon]

^ya beat me to the punch.......

[eynon]

Darth Tiberius wrote: I never said anything about conversion. A juedo-Christian base is being established to battle the Muslim governments surrounding it. Think about it. Pushing democracy that is not suited for them. And Bush's government can use that base to try and push policies and effects on the two countries it defines as the "asix of evil". It is all just a ploy. The mission is tainted by greed and religion. so why label it a "juedo-Christian" base and not a "Secular-Western" base? most radical muslims aren't afraid that the West is going to convert them to Christianity, but they are afraid of the influence we may have in secularizing their societies.

Quote: Here's some questions to ask yourself when asking whether religion is the root of all evil;
How many people have died in history for and because of religion? Not as many as people think............we've had this dicussion a couple times, when you look at many of the so called "religious wars" or crimes of religion, you'll see the true motives behind these conflicts were not faith, but the usual suspects, greed, power politics, lust for power, ect.

The Crusades were clearly a war of conquest, the Spanish Inquistion was a trying to seize the assets of an afluent urban class of people in order to pull the Spanish crown out of bankruptcy. And so on........now there have been times when cooky religious fanatacism has killed many people. The German witch hunters of the 15th and 16th centuries come to mind. You've made some great posts about the impact of Luther on later Jewish potgroms.

But the mistake people seem to make is that they miskate propoganda(often religious) for motive. I mean even Ghengis Khan put a religious spin on his wars, claiming his conquests were "the will of Tengri(god)".

Quote: How many divisions in societies have been caused by religion?
I'll grant you, quite a few......more-over as we break down other barriers such as Race, Class, and Sex, religion becomes even more an issue. I'd be willing to bet that in the 2008 elections Mitt Romney's Mormonism will be a bigger issue then Obama's race or Hillary's Gender.

How-ever any strongly held personal belief can cause such divisons........it's a fair attack leveled at the modern American church, faith should heal divions, not expand them.

Quote: Why does the church impose itself on others?
In the states it's less the church and more people imposing their personal beliefs on others via the ballot box and intrest groups, and yes faith does impact those personal beliefs, but it's not the only factor. In my state for instance many non-religious people voted against civil unions for gays, some people of faith(including me) voted for them..........

Quote: What makes humans turn against themselves and logic?
were emotional beings.......besides we all disagree on who's being logical..........more-over secularism is not garuntee of a society acting with logic, the Chinese Cultural Revolution and the Cambodian Killing Fields are just 2 examples of secular socities going totally nutz.

Quote: It is important to keep the world secular and religion in the confines of behind closed doors. it is a good idea, the Danbury Baptist church would agree with ya. They intermingle in my life no problem, but it does seem to present a problem for others.

[Darth Tiberius]

greeneye wrote: This lady is out to lunch....

Lady? not see the male sign?

Quote: Millions.... however it's not because of religion but became man has agressively fought to control the simple and clear Message of religion.

Racist groups kill the minorities they hate since they fel they are evil. That is their belief. It is the same principle when religious people kill others because of religion. No religion = less killing

Quote: Lots.... however, religion does not cause division. Man causes and creates division in the name of religion.

Then lets take away the name of religion.

Quote: Lack of self worth. The message of the New Testament, BTW was not about removing self worth from the individual. The NT empowers man. The church has stripped away that empowerment and the core message of Jesus. Bad men will do what bad men will do to gain power over other men. However, it's not about religion.... it's about power and control ... all in the name of religion and the noble Message that religion brings to help man overcome.

And what gives them the lack of self-worth? Religion. Religion promotes submission, humility and the properties of the canaille.

eynon wrote: so why label it a "juedo-Christian" base and not a "Secular-Western" base? most radical muslims aren't afraid that the West is going to convert them to Christianity, but they are afraid of the influence we may have in secularizing their societies.

Because it is a war by a so-called Christian society and neo-cons are known for trying to label Muslims as uncivilised. I know and agree most radical muslims aren't afraid of conversion. Never said that was the case. But their reactions further also prove that religion is harmful

[eynon]

Darth Tiberius wrote: eynon wrote: so why label it a "juedo-Christian" base and not a "Secular-Western" base? most radical muslims aren't afraid that the West is going to convert them to Christianity, but they are afraid of the influence we may have in secularizing their societies.

Because it is a war by a so-called Christian society and neo-cons are known for trying to label Muslims as uncivilised. I know and agree most radical muslims aren't afraid of conversion. Never said that was the case. But their reactions further also prove that religion is harmful

that's all true, but one of the goals of the war........one that is failing.......was the establishment of a secular democracy. It's first and foremost a war of power politics, not religion.

[greeneye]

Darth Tiberius wrote: greeneye wrote: This lady is out to lunch....

Lady? not see the male sign?

I was referring to the lady in the video in the OP.

Darth Tiberius wrote:
Quote: Millions.... however it's not because of religion but became man has agressively fought to control the simple and clear Message of religion.

Racist groups kill the minorities they hate since they fel they are evil. That is their belief. It is the same principle when religious people kill others because of religion. No religion = less killing

Religion is not the problem. The purpose and message of religion is to help man build and sustain a relationship with God, understand who he (man) is, what is his life and what is his purpose.

What man has done throughout the ages to manipulate this Message in the name of religion is why man kills. Why? Because the message is powerful and empowering and powerful men want to control it.

Darth Tiberius wrote:
Quote: Lots.... however, religion does not cause division. Man causes and creates division in the name of religion.

Then lets take away the name of religion.

This will not solve the problem because God needs man just as man needs God. However, man has added 1400+ years of human baggage to the equation of this very simple but profound message... each one with its own set of causes and consequences. This is the problem. Let's remove the baggage. God will not go away and I would venture to say he doesn't need or ever needed all this baggage to complicate the simplicity of his Message.

Darth Tiberius wrote:
Quote: Lack of self worth. The message of the New Testament, BTW was not about removing self worth from the individual. The NT empowers man. The church has stripped away that empowerment and the core message of Jesus. Bad men will do what bad men will do to gain power over other men. However, it's not about religion.... it's about power and control ... all in the name of religion and the noble Message that religion brings to help man overcome.

And what gives them the lack of self-worth? Religion. Religion promotes submission, humility and the properties of the canaille.

No, not religion. Religion is a simple vehicle that gives man the opportunity to walk a path toward salvation and stay connected to his Creator. That in itself is very powerful and empowering if the Message is examined in its pure and original form. When man starts putting dirty baggage in the vehicle -- then determines he is going to shape (and change) the vehicle -- and manipulate the vehicle --- and then create dogma that will help him maintain control of the vehicle -- and then justify to choose and use the vehicle to kill, destroy and divide or do evil that good may come .... this is the bane of man's existence.

Lack of self worth was not the message of Jesus the Christ which most Christians follow. The Message of Jesus the Christ empowered man. The early church fathers wanted control of the Message (because it was so powerful) and manipulated the message because if people were truly empowered, there would be no need for such a strong and powerful Church. Therefore, they striped away man's empowerment and made themselves gatekeepers to man's salvation through their interpretation of the Message which was suppose to liberate man not imprison man... Thus we have .....lack of self worth among many throughout the ages.

But, I think many are starting to see through this labyrinth and there may be a light at the end of the tunnel.

[fourtysixandtwo]

"God hates you"


How can you take these people seriously...?

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