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Melchior · Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 9479 Location: Palm Beach

thundertaker wrote: By the way, what is a 'pedophile' some sort of foot fetishist?

Oldest joke in the book.

That's podophilia, and it's incredibly common, so common in fact that I'm not comfortable with calling it a fetish.

Demonic Spoon · Joined: 20 Sep 2004 Posts: 6845 Location: Ohio

Quote:
He already called simulated child pornography "good stuff", I think that says a mouthful.

Yup. It's good s**t; amazing what they can do with graphical programs there days :-D

Quote: It's probably some site with nubile asian girls.

Works for me. Asian girls are good.

Quote: Why, do you want to have a look at it or something?

Depends on what it is.

Babylon_Horuv · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 2087

Melchior wrote: Also, Babylon Horuv, thanks for being the very first on my list of acquaintances with an execution fetish.

That's one taboo I haven't properly investigated.

well, more torture, rape, and cannibalism than execution, but they all fall intothe same area.

Babylon_Horuv · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 2087

Demonic Spoon wrote: Depends.

Does the person also have an attraction to people his age? If so, I'd simply rely on the outlets you listed (there is child "porn" that's rendered in 3d that looks extremely realistic. Good stuff :-D). There are also various games you can get (have to be translated from Japanese, though) that involve kid-sex. I'd imagine all that would be enough to keep the person docile.

If they only have attractions to preteens? That could be more of a problem.

Either way, I'd say with proper research and medicines, sexual urges could be altered. Due to the rate at which our knowledge of brain chemistry is advancing, I'd say this isn't too far off.

medicines can reduce sex drive, but i doubt they can redirect it.

Melchior · Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 9479 Location: Palm Beach

Babylon_Horuv wrote: Melchior wrote: Also, Babylon Horuv, thanks for being the very first on my list of acquaintances with an execution fetish.

That's one taboo I haven't properly investigated.

well, more torture, rape, and cannibalism than execution, but they all fall intothe same area.

Toward yourself, toward a third party, or does it not matter?

Babylon_Horuv wrote: medicines can reduce sex drive, but i doubt they can redirect it.

I'm also pretty sure that sort of thing is very dangerous/unhealthy.

Babylon_Horuv · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 2087

Melchior wrote: Babylon_Horuv wrote: Melchior wrote: Also, Babylon Horuv, thanks for being the very first on my list of acquaintances with an execution fetish.

That's one taboo I haven't properly investigated.

well, more torture, rape, and cannibalism than execution, but they all fall intothe same area.

Toward yourself, toward a third party, or does it not matter?

a third party.

Melchior · Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 9479 Location: Palm Beach

Babylon_Horuv wrote: Melchior wrote: Babylon_Horuv wrote: Melchior wrote: Also, Babylon Horuv, thanks for being the very first on my list of acquaintances with an execution fetish.

That's one taboo I haven't properly investigated.

well, more torture, rape, and cannibalism than execution, but they all fall intothe same area.

Toward yourself, toward a third party, or does it not matter?

a third party.

w00t! Der Horuv ist ein super-sadist! :flwr:

Somebloke · Joined: 08 May 2006 Posts: 2554 Location: London

There are a wide range of medicines and products that have the side effect of suppressing libido. The truly desperate could probably rely on these- backed up with counselling.

Treatment ultimately depends on the pedophile to inform someone, even if it's merely a phyciatrist, about his condition, and making changes to his/her lifestyle that will in many ways reduce it. This is an unfair thing to do to them, but this is a case where life is simply going to be unfair- it's a matter of making these changes or giving in. It would be an unfulfilled life, but a righteous one.

As for the 'safe' pedophilia material floating around on the net, I would advise they stay away from this material. Constantly immersing yourself in a fictional world where this sort of lifestyle is portrayed as a positive is going to eventually wear away at your preconceptions about these things, with potentially tragic results.

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

It's a really huge issue over here in the UK, following several high profile kidnappings and murders, but Japan is probably the place to focus on.

Last time I was in Tokyo, met up with my step-brother who took me on a "cultural tour" and part of this involved going to to a store which sold underwear, school uniforms and plenty of other items so people could get off on their fantasy of making it with a kid. They also sold a style of Hentai art called Lolicon (essentially underage girls are portrayed in various sexual acts with some kind of usual manga storyline attached).

I chatted with my step-bro about this (we're both sociology freaks) and he pointed out that it was a useful outlet for some people who have "deviant" thoughts. Whilst photographs displaying this are illegal, the art work and other items are completely fine under the law. It got me thinking about the storm that seems to develop over this.

Now, don't get wrong, incidents involving the kidnap and rape of a child are completely reprehensible and need to be dealt with severely, but with something like Lolicon art is it actually that "bad" for someone to get sexually excited over? I mean, there's lots of weird sh!t I don't get when it comes to peoples sexual preferences and I can't see the little kid thing myself, but then I can't see why bestiality is such a turn on for some.

Different strokes for different folks (tasteless pun intended).

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

Somebloke wrote: Treatment ultimately depends on the pedophile to inform someone, even if it's merely a phyciatrist, about his condition, and making changes to his/her lifestyle that will in many ways reduce it. This is an unfair thing to do to them, but this is a case where life is simply going to be unfair- it's a matter of making these changes or giving in. It would be an unfulfilled life, but a righteous one.

I'd agree with this, but I do think that the way this has been combated (certainly in the UK) will prevent anyone coming forward for help. A Murdoch snot-rag called News of the World published a few years ago, lists of registered child sex offenders and where they lived (full picture and everything) which lead to attacks on people and street protests held by (probably) well intentioned communities. A Pediatrician got attacked because some people were too retarded to know that meant "child doctor".

Something should be done, not for the guys who want to indulge in the act, but certainly for those trying to deal with troubling impulses.

Somebloke · Joined: 08 May 2006 Posts: 2554 Location: London

slitedeviance wrote: It's a really huge issue over here in the UK, following several high profile kidnappings and murders, but Japan is probably the place to focus on.

Last time I was in Tokyo, met up with my step-brother who took me on a "cultural tour" and part of this involved going to to a store which sold underwear, school uniforms and plenty of other items so people could get off on their fantasy of making it with a kid. They also sold a style of Hentai art called Lolicon (essentially underage girls are portrayed in various sexual acts with some kind of usual manga storyline attached).

I chatted with my step-bro about this (we're both sociology freaks) and he pointed out that it was a useful outlet for some people who have "deviant" thoughts. Whilst photographs displaying this are illegal, the art work and other items are completely fine under the law. It got me thinking about the storm that seems to develop over this.

Now, don't get wrong, incidents involving the kidnap and rape of a child are completely reprehensible and need to be dealt with severely, but with something like Lolicon art is it actually that "bad" for someone to get sexually excited over? I mean, there's lots of weird sh!t I don't get when it comes to peoples sexual preferences and I can't see the little kid thing myself, but then I can't see why bestiality is such a turn on for some.

Different strokes for different folks (tasteless pun intended).

I swear, that entire nation is so buttoned-up and repressed it's not suprising.

Melchior · Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Posts: 9479 Location: Palm Beach

slitedeviance wrote: A Pediatrician got attacked because some people were too retarded to know that meant "child doctor".

:lol:

Babylon_Horuv · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 2087

slitedeviance wrote: Somebloke wrote: Treatment ultimately depends on the pedophile to inform someone, even if it's merely a phyciatrist, about his condition, and making changes to his/her lifestyle that will in many ways reduce it. This is an unfair thing to do to them, but this is a case where life is simply going to be unfair- it's a matter of making these changes or giving in. It would be an unfulfilled life, but a righteous one.

I'd agree with this, but I do think that the way this has been combated (certainly in the UK) will prevent anyone coming forward for help. A Murdoch snot-rag called News of the World published a few years ago, lists of registered child sex offenders and where they lived (full picture and everything) which lead to attacks on people and street protests held by (probably) well intentioned communities. A Pediatrician got attacked because some people were too retarded to know that meant "child doctor".

Something should be done, not for the guys who want to indulge in the act, but certainly for those trying to deal with troubling impulses.

I can't imagine going to a therapist and admitting to a sexual interest in children would get someone listed on the sex offender list. After all, the person has not done anything illegal.

Babylon_Horuv · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 2087

Melchior wrote: Babylon_Horuv wrote: Melchior wrote: Babylon_Horuv wrote: Melchior wrote: Also, Babylon Horuv, thanks for being the very first on my list of acquaintances with an execution fetish.

That's one taboo I haven't properly investigated.

well, more torture, rape, and cannibalism than execution, but they all fall intothe same area.

Toward yourself, toward a third party, or does it not matter?

a third party.

w00t! Der Horuv ist ein super-sadist! :flwr:

pretty much, and thanks for the flowers.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

Babylon_Horuv wrote: slitedeviance wrote: Somebloke wrote: Treatment ultimately depends on the pedophile to inform someone, even if it's merely a phyciatrist, about his condition, and making changes to his/her lifestyle that will in many ways reduce it. This is an unfair thing to do to them, but this is a case where life is simply going to be unfair- it's a matter of making these changes or giving in. It would be an unfulfilled life, but a righteous one.

I'd agree with this, but I do think that the way this has been combated (certainly in the UK) will prevent anyone coming forward for help. A Murdoch snot-rag called News of the World published a few years ago, lists of registered child sex offenders and where they lived (full picture and everything) which lead to attacks on people and street protests held by (probably) well intentioned communities. A Pediatrician got attacked because some people were too retarded to know that meant "child doctor".

Something should be done, not for the guys who want to indulge in the act, but certainly for those trying to deal with troubling impulses.

I can't imagine going to a therapist and admitting to a sexual interest in children would get someone listed on the sex offender list. After all, the person has not done anything illegal.

Of course it won't. That and there is client-therapist privilege.

emerald · Joined: 05 Apr 2005 Posts: 7644 Location: uk

Quote: Treatment ultimately depends on the pedophile to inform someone, even if it's merely a phyciatrist, about his condition, and making changes to his/her lifestyle that will in many ways reduce it. This is an unfair thing to do to them, but this is a case where life is simply going to be unfair- it's a matter of making these changes or giving in. It would be an unfulfilled life, but a righteous one.

As for the 'safe' pedophilia material floating around on the net, I would advise they stay away from this material. Constantly immersing yourself in a fictional world where this sort of lifestyle is portrayed as a positive is going to eventually wear away at your preconceptions about these things, with potentially tragic results.

i agree with you to some extent, although i dont think it ultimately works. i dont think material of any form should be considered 'safe', this issue is incredibly sensitive.

Slitedeviance already mentioned the situation in the UK, and i'm glad there is more information about pedophilia out there, i'm glad theres more protection for children, theres more information for parents and so on, it's only sad that kids had to be assaulted and killed in such a way by pedophiles for this to occur. i dont think it's a new problem, and i have to say it's one which worries me greatly, for many reasons.
it should be a priority for the government to try and find solutions, it is not 'safe' for anyone with those sort of sexual feelings to just simply think that he/she can just repress them because the longer it goes on the worse it will get and when an oppertunity opens itself up they are more likely to take it, pedophiles need to at the very least talk to psychiatrists, at least letting go some of it may help, but other solutions definetly need to be looked into.

Quote: I can't imagine going to a therapist and admitting to a sexual interest in children would get someone listed on the sex offender list. After all, the person has not done anything illegal.

you dont get put on the sex offenders list just for having those feelings, you will need to have done something illegal first.

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

I do take the points regarding patient-doctor confidentiality, but there are parrelels with the culture of fear that got thrown about when Homosexuality was considered a massive deviance. Now I'm not saying the two states of mind are comparable in either action or perception but the situation is similair. There were hundreds of suicides caused when people with homosexual feelings would go to therapists as they were basically told they were defective, and society would never accept them (will search for links once I'm away from the office firewall).

I can see the same situation here. Now, wanting to sexually assault a child is clearly the product of a deviant mind and it is down to the individual doctor to sum up the individuals danger to society. However I do believe there are situations (I think someone mentioned one previously on this thread) where a childhood trauma or experience can lead to very specific feelings developing and suppressed by the individual. I can find you about 30 leaflets within about 20 ft of my desk about giving up smoking, or helplines for dealing with stress, but none to make these people aware that help can be sought before it turns into something that will either debilitate you or lead to a real danger to someones kid.

thundertaker · Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:50 am Post subject:

"By the powers vested in me by tabloid-reading imbeciles, I pronounce you all guilty of paedophilia......."

slitedeviance · Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 1507

thundertaker wrote: "By the powers vested in me by tabloid-reading imbeciles, I pronounce you all guilty of paedophilia......."

:rofl:

God damn, I knew the tabs would get a hold of this *decides to hide in nuclear bunker for several years"...

Babylon_Horuv · Joined: 15 Jun 2006 Posts: 2087

slitedeviance wrote: I do take the points regarding patient-doctor confidentiality, but there are parrelels with the culture of fear that got thrown about when Homosexuality was considered a massive deviance. Now I'm not saying the two states of mind are comparable in either action or perception but the situation is similair. There were hundreds of suicides caused when people with homosexual feelings would go to therapists as they were basically told they were defective, and society would never accept them (will search for links once I'm away from the office firewall).

I can see the same situation here. Now, wanting to sexually assault a child is clearly the product of a deviant mind and it is down to the individual doctor to sum up the individuals danger to society. However I do believe there are situations (I think someone mentioned one previously on this thread) where a childhood trauma or experience can lead to very specific feelings developing and suppressed by the individual. I can find you about 30 leaflets within about 20 ft of my desk about giving up smoking, or helplines for dealing with stress, but none to make these people aware that help can be sought before it turns into something that will either debilitate you or lead to a real danger to someones kid.

The situation was quite different for homosexuals however as even when they were shunned by society they were still not voctimizing anyone. Their situation was more similar to that of a drug user than to that of a pedophile. Pedophiles are defective, society never will accept them, nor should it if they are going to act on their urges. I do think that psychiatric treatment could make a great deal of difference, and that even drugs which simply cut the sex drive down could be a great deal of use as it is far better to have no sex drive that nto have one aimed at children. However, as someone with deviant desires, I have to admit that I would not take such a drug. I trust myself to keep my desires under control. However, I am also quite capable of being aroused by normal sexual situations, violence and torture are not required, even in simulated form, they just appeal greatly to me, so, perhaps, my situation is not as serious as that of a pedophile.