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[Melchior]

I'm curious about what PCF members think about this subject, not child molestation; the act of it (of which there are hundreds of topics on the Internet). I mean the actual, mental paraphilia that is defind as "being sexually attracted primarily or exclusively to prepubescent or peripubescent children" This is a complicated subject to talk about, and I think the actual root issue has never been addressed on here.

We never hear about people with just the paraphilia, we hear about people on the news that gave into their sexual urges for whatever reason. Either they are repressed and just "pop" one day, maybe they have no sense of morality for themselves in the first place, or maybe they don't even think anything is wrong with it (see: NAMBLA).

Here is why I bring it up: I would like to share that I have actually, on a few rare occasions, read posts and conversed with people over the Internet who claimed to be pedophiles, in thought not action, and they left me thinking. It's probably the only place you'll see it, since the World Wide Web is the most anonymous medium for information exchange you can find, albeit not completely anonymous.

One particular individual stated that he avoids children, and avoids any job where he would have to work around kids.

Another poster I actually had a conversation with described how it came to be. Apparently when he was a preteen he liked this girl his age, when she moved away he still thought about her, but as he grew older she stayed the same age in his mind. This same guy said he had a girlfriend, his age, and confirmed that his feelings toward his girlfriend and his "lolita fetish" (as he called it) were not the same, his inclination toward lolita is purely sexual, instinctual. This guy was young, by the way.

They aren't all guys either, some are women.

I know it's possible what I've read could have been completely made up by attention whores (I personally don't think so) but that doesn't mean these people don't exist, we just happen to see the end results where the weak or immoral ones *snap* and end up on the news being charged with sexual assault or statutory rape. The funny part is, that's when they are sent to rehabilitation, not before the crime. Which makes sense since no pedophile is going to out themselves in order to seek psychiatric help.

So what are your thoughts?

Do you even think this is something that can be rehabilitated in the first place?

For the record, this thread isn't about NAMBLA or open pedophile activists, it's about the hidden opposite.

[Babylon_Horuv]

Melchior wrote: I'm curious about what PCF members think about this subject, not child molestation; the act of it (of which there are hundreds of topics on the Internet). I mean the actual, mental paraphilia that is defind as "being sexually attracted primarily or exclusively to prepubescent or peripubescent children" This is a complicated subject to talk about, and I think the actual root issue has never been addressed on here.

We never hear about people with just the paraphilia, we hear about people on the news that gave into their sexual urges for whatever reason. Either they are repressed and just "pop" one day, maybe they have no sense of morality for themselves in the first place, or maybe they don't even think anything is wrong with it (see: NAMBLA).

Here is why I bring it up: I would like to share that I have actually, on a few rare occasions, read posts and conversed with people over the Internet who claimed to be pedophiles, in thought not action, and they left me thinking. It's probably the only place you'll see it, since the World Wide Web is the most anonymous medium for information exchange you can find, albeit not completely anonymous.

One particular individual stated that he avoids children, and avoids any job where he would have to work around kids.

Another poster I actually had a conversation with described how it came to be. Apparently when he was a preteen he liked this girl his age, when she moved away he still thought about her, but as he grew older she stayed the same age in his mind. This same guy said he had a girlfriend, his age, and confirmed that his feelings toward his girlfriend and his "lolita fetish" (as he called it) were not the same, his inclination toward lolita is purely sexual, instinctual. This guy was young, by the way.

They aren't all guys either, some are women.

I know it's possible what I've read could have been completely made up by attention whores (I personally don't think so) but that doesn't mean these people don't exist, we just happen to see the end results where the weak or immoral ones *snap* and end up on the news being charged with sexual assault or statutory rape. The funny part is, that's when they are sent to rehabilitation, not before the crime. Which makes sense since no pedophile is going to out themselves in order to seek psychiatric help.

So what are your thoughts?

Do you even think this is something that can be rehabilitated in the first place?

For the record, this thread isn't about NAMBLA or open pedophile activists, it's about the hidden opposite.

I think it was pedophiles attempting to resist their urges through the power of prayer that led to the whole Catholic Priest scandal. I think the molesting priests probably had pedophiliac urges, knew they were wrong, and joined the priesthood because priests don't have sex, they were, of course, undoubtedly also devout catholics. Unfortunately their faith didn't prove strong enough to restrain their urges.

[Melchior]

Babylon_Horuv wrote: I think it was pedophiles attempting to resist their urges through the power of prayer that led to the whole Catholic Priest scandal. I think the molesting priests probably had pedophiliac urges, knew they were wrong, and joined the priesthood because priests don't have sex, they were, of course, undoubtedly also devout catholics. Unfortunately their faith didn't prove strong enough to restrain their urges.

Wow, that conclusion makes sense.

I never actually thought about the recent wave of priest molestations that way.

[perdidochas]

Babylon_Horuv wrote: Melchior wrote: I'm curious about what PCF members think about this subject, not child molestation; the act of it (of which there are hundreds of topics on the Internet). I mean the actual, mental paraphilia that is defind as "being sexually attracted primarily or exclusively to prepubescent or peripubescent children" This is a complicated subject to talk about, and I think the actual root issue has never been addressed on here.

We never hear about people with just the paraphilia, we hear about people on the news that gave into their sexual urges for whatever reason. Either they are repressed and just "pop" one day, maybe they have no sense of morality for themselves in the first place, or maybe they don't even think anything is wrong with it (see: NAMBLA).

Here is why I bring it up: I would like to share that I have actually, on a few rare occasions, read posts and conversed with people over the Internet who claimed to be pedophiles, in thought not action, and they left me thinking. It's probably the only place you'll see it, since the World Wide Web is the most anonymous medium for information exchange you can find, albeit not completely anonymous.

One particular individual stated that he avoids children, and avoids any job where he would have to work around kids.

Another poster I actually had a conversation with described how it came to be. Apparently when he was a preteen he liked this girl his age, when she moved away he still thought about her, but as he grew older she stayed the same age in his mind. This same guy said he had a girlfriend, his age, and confirmed that his feelings toward his girlfriend and his "lolita fetish" (as he called it) were not the same, his inclination toward lolita is purely sexual, instinctual. This guy was young, by the way.

They aren't all guys either, some are women.

I know it's possible what I've read could have been completely made up by attention whores (I personally don't think so) but that doesn't mean these people don't exist, we just happen to see the end results where the weak or immoral ones *snap* and end up on the news being charged with sexual assault or statutory rape. The funny part is, that's when they are sent to rehabilitation, not before the crime. Which makes sense since no pedophile is going to out themselves in order to seek psychiatric help.

So what are your thoughts?

Do you even think this is something that can be rehabilitated in the first place?

For the record, this thread isn't about NAMBLA or open pedophile activists, it's about the hidden opposite.

I think it was pedophiles attempting to resist their urges through the power of prayer that led to the whole Catholic Priest scandal. I think the molesting priests probably had pedophiliac urges, knew they were wrong, and joined the priesthood because priests don't have sex, they were, of course, undoubtedly also devout catholics. Unfortunately their faith didn't prove strong enough to restrain their urges.

Interesting theory, but it doesnt' explain why married Protestant ministers have about the same rate of pedophilia as do Catholic priests.

[Babylon_Horuv]

perdidochas wrote: Babylon_Horuv wrote: Melchior wrote: I'm curious about what PCF members think about this subject, not child molestation; the act of it (of which there are hundreds of topics on the Internet). I mean the actual, mental paraphilia that is defind as "being sexually attracted primarily or exclusively to prepubescent or peripubescent children" This is a complicated subject to talk about, and I think the actual root issue has never been addressed on here.

We never hear about people with just the paraphilia, we hear about people on the news that gave into their sexual urges for whatever reason. Either they are repressed and just "pop" one day, maybe they have no sense of morality for themselves in the first place, or maybe they don't even think anything is wrong with it (see: NAMBLA).

Here is why I bring it up: I would like to share that I have actually, on a few rare occasions, read posts and conversed with people over the Internet who claimed to be pedophiles, in thought not action, and they left me thinking. It's probably the only place you'll see it, since the World Wide Web is the most anonymous medium for information exchange you can find, albeit not completely anonymous.

One particular individual stated that he avoids children, and avoids any job where he would have to work around kids.

Another poster I actually had a conversation with described how it came to be. Apparently when he was a preteen he liked this girl his age, when she moved away he still thought about her, but as he grew older she stayed the same age in his mind. This same guy said he had a girlfriend, his age, and confirmed that his feelings toward his girlfriend and his "lolita fetish" (as he called it) were not the same, his inclination toward lolita is purely sexual, instinctual. This guy was young, by the way.

They aren't all guys either, some are women.

I know it's possible what I've read could have been completely made up by attention whores (I personally don't think so) but that doesn't mean these people don't exist, we just happen to see the end results where the weak or immoral ones *snap* and end up on the news being charged with sexual assault or statutory rape. The funny part is, that's when they are sent to rehabilitation, not before the crime. Which makes sense since no pedophile is going to out themselves in order to seek psychiatric help.

So what are your thoughts?

Do you even think this is something that can be rehabilitated in the first place?

For the record, this thread isn't about NAMBLA or open pedophile activists, it's about the hidden opposite.

I think it was pedophiles attempting to resist their urges through the power of prayer that led to the whole Catholic Priest scandal. I think the molesting priests probably had pedophiliac urges, knew they were wrong, and joined the priesthood because priests don't have sex, they were, of course, undoubtedly also devout catholics. Unfortunately their faith didn't prove strong enough to restrain their urges.

Interesting theory, but it doesnt' explain why married Protestant ministers have about the same rate of pedophilia as do Catholic priests.

Well, that plays into my whole theory that Christians actually worship an evil god. But I wasn't going to bring it up.

[John Galt]

Back on subject please.

[Babylon_Horuv]

So, for a pedophile, it doesn't look like "praying it away" works. What else might? As someone with deviant sexual urges (not toward children, rather toward violence) I have personally found that exploring a fantasy, exhausting it, through visualization and masturbation can help. However pedophiliac pornography is illegal (while snuff porn isn't, thank goddess, but still a strange fact) making this somewhat more difficult. I also have no idea if any studies have shown that exploring and exhausting a fantasy is any help, I have only my own persona experiences to base my assumption on.

[Melchior]

Babylon_Horuv wrote: So, for a pedophile, it doesn't look like "praying it away" works. What else might? As someone with deviant sexual urges (not toward children, rather toward violence) I have personally found that exploring a fantasy, exhausting it, through visualization and masturbation can help. However pedophiliac pornography is illegal (while snuff porn isn't, thank goddess, but still a strange fact) making this somewhat more difficult. I also have no idea if any studies have shown that exploring and exhausting a fantasy is any help, I have only my own persona experiences to base my assumption on.

First of all, there are forms of child pornography and erotica, of which don't depict real children, that are legal. There are also child model sites, so for a pedophile finding an outlet isn't a problem.

The problem is while those outlets may keep them docile, it isn't on the road to rehabilitation.

I have no idea how such a thing can be rehabilitated. If you can't change someone's sexual orientation or fetishes then you probably can't change this.

It isn't the same as drugs, where the body has to go through detoxification and you can ween a person off those chemicals.

[Melchior]

Also, Babylon Horuv, thanks for being the very first on my list of acquaintances with an execution fetish.

That's one taboo I haven't properly investigated.

[perdidochas]

Babylon_Horuv wrote: perdidochas wrote: Babylon_Horuv wrote: Melchior wrote: I'm curious about what PCF members think about this subject, not child molestation; the act of it (of which there are hundreds of topics on the Internet). I mean the actual, mental paraphilia that is defind as "being sexually attracted primarily or exclusively to prepubescent or peripubescent children" This is a complicated subject to talk about, and I think the actual root issue has never been addressed on here.

We never hear about people with just the paraphilia, we hear about people on the news that gave into their sexual urges for whatever reason. Either they are repressed and just "pop" one day, maybe they have no sense of morality for themselves in the first place, or maybe they don't even think anything is wrong with it (see: NAMBLA).

Here is why I bring it up: I would like to share that I have actually, on a few rare occasions, read posts and conversed with people over the Internet who claimed to be pedophiles, in thought not action, and they left me thinking. It's probably the only place you'll see it, since the World Wide Web is the most anonymous medium for information exchange you can find, albeit not completely anonymous.

One particular individual stated that he avoids children, and avoids any job where he would have to work around kids.

Another poster I actually had a conversation with described how it came to be. Apparently when he was a preteen he liked this girl his age, when she moved away he still thought about her, but as he grew older she stayed the same age in his mind. This same guy said he had a girlfriend, his age, and confirmed that his feelings toward his girlfriend and his "lolita fetish" (as he called it) were not the same, his inclination toward lolita is purely sexual, instinctual. This guy was young, by the way.

They aren't all guys either, some are women.

I know it's possible what I've read could have been completely made up by attention whores (I personally don't think so) but that doesn't mean these people don't exist, we just happen to see the end results where the weak or immoral ones *snap* and end up on the news being charged with sexual assault or statutory rape. The funny part is, that's when they are sent to rehabilitation, not before the crime. Which makes sense since no pedophile is going to out themselves in order to seek psychiatric help.

So what are your thoughts?

Do you even think this is something that can be rehabilitated in the first place?

For the record, this thread isn't about NAMBLA or open pedophile activists, it's about the hidden opposite.

I think it was pedophiles attempting to resist their urges through the power of prayer that led to the whole Catholic Priest scandal. I think the molesting priests probably had pedophiliac urges, knew they were wrong, and joined the priesthood because priests don't have sex, they were, of course, undoubtedly also devout catholics. Unfortunately their faith didn't prove strong enough to restrain their urges.

Interesting theory, but it doesnt' explain why married Protestant ministers have about the same rate of pedophilia as do Catholic priests.

Well, that plays into my whole theory that Christians actually worship an evil god. But I wasn't going to bring it up.

Oh, and I forgot to add--both rates are lower than the male population at large.

[Demonic Spoon]

Depends.

Does the person also have an attraction to people his age? If so, I'd simply rely on the outlets you listed (there is child "porn" that's rendered in 3d that looks extremely realistic. Good stuff :-D). There are also various games you can get (have to be translated from Japanese, though) that involve kid-sex. I'd imagine all that would be enough to keep the person docile.

If they only have attractions to preteens? That could be more of a problem.


Either way, I'd say with proper research and medicines, sexual urges could be altered. Due to the rate at which our knowledge of brain chemistry is advancing, I'd say this isn't too far off.

[Melchior]

Demonic Spoon wrote: Depends.

Does the person also have an attraction to people his age? If so, I'd simply rely on the outlets you listed (there is child "porn" that's rendered in 3d that looks extremely realistic. Good stuff :-D).

That, I know for a fact is illegal.

While it doesn't hurt anyone anymore than 2D, in a few decades we may not be able to tell the difference between CG and real humans, which could be a problem.

Demonic Spoon wrote: Either way, I'd say with proper research and medicines, sexual urges could be altered. Due to the rate at which our knowledge of brain chemistry is advancing, I'd say this isn't too far off.

They already have a cure for tourette syndrome, hopefully OCD in the future (I would get that treatment).

[foadi]

I don't have a problem with pedophiles. I am friends with a number of them. My website attracts a lot of them.

[Demonic Spoon]

Quote:
That, I know for a fact is illegal.

While it doesn't hurt anyone anymore than 2D, in a few decades we may not be able to tell the difference between CG and real humans, which could be a problem.


Nope, it is not. And it's irrelevant what it looks like.
Quote:
I don't have a problem with pedophiles. I am friends with a number of them. My website attracts a lot of them.
What website?

[Prole]

Melchior wrote: Demonic Spoon wrote: Either way, I'd say with proper research and medicines, sexual urges could be altered. Due to the rate at which our knowledge of brain chemistry is advancing, I'd say this isn't too far off.

They already have a cure for tourette syndrome, hopefully OCD in the future (I would get that treatment).
Sexuality is perhaps the most basic yet complex parts of human desire and behavior; we're a long way off from being able to address it.

Also, (and I'm sorry that this is off topic) I don't know of any "cure" for tourette syndrom yet; could you provide a link please? Cheers.

[Melchior]

Prole wrote: Melchior wrote: Demonic Spoon wrote: Either way, I'd say with proper research and medicines, sexual urges could be altered. Due to the rate at which our knowledge of brain chemistry is advancing, I'd say this isn't too far off.

They already have a cure for tourette syndrome, hopefully OCD in the future (I would get that treatment).
Sexuality is perhaps the most basic yet complex parts of human desire and behavior; we're a long way off from being able to address it.

Also, (and I'm sorry that this is off topic) I don't know of any "cure" for tourette syndrom yet; could you provide a link please? Cheers.

I saw them do this to some girl with a really bad case of tourettes in a documentary:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3589395.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_brain_stimulation

[thundertaker]

Demonic Spoon wrote: Quote:
That, I know for a fact is illegal.

While it doesn't hurt anyone anymore than 2D, in a few decades we may not be able to tell the difference between CG and real humans, which could be a problem.


Nope, it is not. And it's irrelevant what it looks like.
Quote:
I don't have a problem with pedophiles. I am friends with a number of them. My website attracts a lot of them.
What website?

Why, do you want to have a look at it or something?

[Melchior]

thundertaker wrote: Demonic Spoon wrote: Quote:
That, I know for a fact is illegal.

While it doesn't hurt anyone anymore than 2D, in a few decades we may not be able to tell the difference between CG and real humans, which could be a problem.


Nope, it is not. And it's irrelevant what it looks like.
Quote:
I don't have a problem with pedophiles. I am friends with a number of them. My website attracts a lot of them.
What website?

Why, do you want to have a look at it or something?

Why, are you accusing him of something? :lol:

He already called simulated child pornography "good stuff", I think that says a mouthful.

It's probably some site with nubile asian girls.

[thundertaker]

By the way, what is a 'pedophile' some sort of foot fetishist?

[Prole]

Melchior wrote: Prole wrote: Melchior wrote: Demonic Spoon wrote: Either way, I'd say with proper research and medicines, sexual urges could be altered. Due to the rate at which our knowledge of brain chemistry is advancing, I'd say this isn't too far off.

They already have a cure for tourette syndrome, hopefully OCD in the future (I would get that treatment).
Sexuality is perhaps the most basic yet complex parts of human desire and behavior; we're a long way off from being able to address it.

Also, (and I'm sorry that this is off topic) I don't know of any "cure" for tourette syndrom yet; could you provide a link please? Cheers.

I saw them do this to some girl with a really bad case of tourettes in a documentary:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3589395.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_brain_stimulation
Cheers. Invasive brain surgery is always pretty drastic, though, but this does sound promising.