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The root of Palestinian misery

National Post
Published: Monday, November 20, 2006

The Jabaliya Refugee Camp in Gaza was the scene of Palestinian celebrations yesterday. No, a "martyr" from the camp hadn't managed to blow up a restaurant full of Israeli families, the usual reason for joyous gatherings among Arabs in this part of the world. Rather, the locals were celebrating the victory of their "human shields" in thwarting an air strike against the home of wanted terrorist Wail Barud.

But while the assembly of hundreds of Palestinians in anticipation of the planned Israeli bombing did succeed in protecting Barud's home, the tactic may have backfired from a propaganda perspective: It served to demonstrate that Israel does not seek to kill Palestinian civilians wholesale, as Arab propagandists constantly claim. Indeed, it is clear the Palestinians themselves do not believe their own propaganda about Israel's alleged thirst for blood. Otherwise, they never would have been able to recruit all those human shields.

If Israel really were as sadistic as its critics claim, it wouldn't have called off yesterday's bombing run. Just the opposite: It would have jumped at the chance to kill so many Palestinians at one go. Just imagine if the shoe were on the other foot, and hundreds of Israeli "human shields" positioned themselves in an unguarded cafe in the West Bank. Palestinian suicide bombers would be stepping over each other in an effort to attack the target. "Human shields" work only when your enemy fights like a human.

A second irony is that it is men like Barud who are at the root of Palestinian misery -- for if they were not firing rockets at Israel from Gaza, and smuggling in weapons from Egypt, there would be no need for the Jewish state to stage counterterrorist operations in Gaza, every square inch of which it evacuated in August, 2005. If Palestinians were more rational about where their society's interests lie, they would go to Barud's house not to offer protection -- but to arrest him so that others in the area could live in peace.

[emerald]

a tad biased perhaps??

[mr_happy]

biased? yes. 100% accurate? yes.

[blockhead]

programmusic wrote: http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/editorialsletters/story.html?id=69c23d82-dd87-4c1d-a333-bf3f3979df37


The root of Palestinian misery

National Post
Published: Monday, November 20, 2006

The Jabaliya Refugee Camp in Gaza was the scene of Palestinian celebrations yesterday. No, a "martyr" from the camp hadn't managed to blow up a restaurant full of Israeli families, the usual reason for joyous gatherings among Arabs in this part of the world. Rather, the locals were celebrating the victory of their "human shields" in thwarting an air strike against the home of wanted terrorist Wail Barud.

But while the assembly of hundreds of Palestinians in anticipation of the planned Israeli bombing did succeed in protecting Barud's home, the tactic may have backfired from a propaganda perspective: It served to demonstrate that Israel does not seek to kill Palestinian civilians wholesale, as Arab propagandists constantly claim. Indeed, it is clear the Palestinians themselves do not believe their own propaganda about Israel's alleged thirst for blood. Otherwise, they never would have been able to recruit all those human shields.

If Israel really were as sadistic as its critics claim, it wouldn't have called off yesterday's bombing run. Just the opposite: It would have jumped at the chance to kill so many Palestinians at one go. Just imagine if the shoe were on the other foot, and hundreds of Israeli "human shields" positioned themselves in an unguarded cafe in the West Bank. Palestinian suicide bombers would be stepping over each other in an effort to attack the target. "Human shields" work only when your enemy fights like a human.

A second irony is that it is men like Barud who are at the root of Palestinian misery -- for if they were not firing rockets at Israel from Gaza, and smuggling in weapons from Egypt, there would be no need for the Jewish state to stage counterterrorist operations in Gaza, every square inch of which it evacuated in August, 2005. If Palestinians were more rational about where their society's interests lie, they would go to Barud's house not to offer protection -- but to arrest him so that others in the area could live in peace.

How bout the inconsistencies in your propaganda. I thought you had to provide a comment?

[Venom]

programmusic wrote: The root of Palestinian misery

There is your comment Blockhead.

Blockhead wrote: How bout the inconsistencies in your propaganda What inconsistencies do you refer to? This article shows that their tactic has indeed backfired upon them, although I doubt many will really take notice. The Palestinians dance in the streets when a suicide bombing occurs, when a major terrorist attack happens. These are the very same people that were dancing and grinning ear to ear when the World Trade Center was destroyed, yet now we are expected to feel bad for them? Give me a break.
The worst part is, they would dance in the streets if terrorists managed to kill you, not caring that you support Palestine, because at the end of the day your just an infidel to them.

[L337SIMBA]

Man these people are so frieking sad that they take joys in one's pain or death. just too many words for these idiots

nandan

[MoscowMatt]

emerald wrote: a tad biased perhaps??

How's it biased????!!! :? I think the article makes some excellent points.

[superskippy]

n2ds so kind of you to drop in...

[mendosan]

I was watching a program this morning called "Judah and Mohammed" about an Israeli and a Palestinian and Mohammeds school was full of posters about suicide bombers and they were doing this weird play in his school about him being martyred, but he seemed pretty level headed for someone surrounded by that sort of s**t.

[mendosan]

Quote: JUDAH & MOHAMMAD

Being a teenager is tough, but what is it like to grow up in the shadow of military conflict and occupation? As violence in the Middle East reaches boiling point, Judah & Mohammad is an intimate portrait of two teenage boys, one Israeli and one Palestinian, filmed over 18 months.

For the first time, cameras have been given access to Israeli and Palestinian classrooms, revealing how they are being prepared for an uncertain future at this critical juncture of the conflict. For both Judah and Mohammad, school history lessons are as much about the present as they are about the past. History is not just another academic subject, but an ongoing force informing, even defining, the way they see the world.

Judah

Judah is one of the smartest kids in his year, but to the frustration of his teachers, he has attitude problems and a nose for trouble. At home, Judah is the "man of the house", as his mum is single-handedly raising him and his younger brother and sister. Like 30% of Israelis living below the poverty line, Judah's mum struggles to make ends meet. Judah has a strained relationship with his mum, and relies on his friends, in particular his girlfriends, for support. When he finishes school, he will have to spend at least three years in the Israeli Defense Force. He understands that things must change if he is to realise his dream of becoming a fighter pilot. While he has considered the dangers involved, he strongly believes it is his duty to serve Israel.

Mohammad

Mohammad lives less than 30 kilometers east of Tel Aviv, in the city of Ramallah. Born at the time of the first Intifada, occupation is all he has ever known. As he approaches adulthood, he is becoming more politically aware and wants to be involved in the resistance to the occupation. During filming, Mohammad is arrested for demonstrating against the separation wall, and is beaten and imprisoned for seven days. When he returns to school, his teachers congratulate him on his actions, and his experiences as a "living martyr" bring him a newfound respect and status among his friends. He is cast in the lead role of the school play, playing a martyr killed by Israeli troops. He believes that Palestinians must continue to struggle until the occupation ends and suggests that until the Israelis stop seeing him and his people as terrorists, there can be no real hope of peace.

Thats a brief synopsis
www.channel4.com/news/microsites/J/judah_mohammad/

[blockhead]

Venom wrote: programmusic wrote: The root of Palestinian misery

There is your comment Blockhead.

Blockhead wrote: How bout the inconsistencies in your propaganda What inconsistencies do you refer to? This article shows that their tactic has indeed backfired upon them, although I doubt many will really take notice. The Palestinians dance in the streets when a suicide bombing occurs, when a major terrorist attack happens. These are the very same people that were dancing and grinning ear to ear when the World Trade Center was destroyed, yet now we are expected to feel bad for them? Give me a break.
The worst part is, they would dance in the streets if terrorists managed to kill you, not caring that you support Palestine, because at the end of the day your just an infidel to them.


The Jabaliya Refugee Camp in Gaza was the scene of Palestinian celebrations yesterday. No, a "martyr" from the camp hadn't managed to blow up a restaurant full of Israeli families, the usual reason for joyous gatherings among Arabs in this part of the world.

Really that's the usual reason for joyous gatherings? What a load of crap. I stopped reading at that point.

[blockhead]

Venom wrote: These are the very same people that were dancing and grinning ear to ear when the World Trade Center was destroyed,

http://www.sundayherald.com/news/internationalnews/display.var.1032469.0.five_israelis_were_seen_filming_as_jet_liners_ploughed_into_the_twin_towers_on_september_11_2001.php

Five Israelis were seen filming as jet liners ploughed into the Twin Towers on September 11, 2001 ...

By Neil Mackay

THERE WAS ruin and terror in Manhattan, but, over the Hudson River in New Jersey, a handful of men were dancing. As the World Trade Centre burned and crumpled, the five men celebrated and filmed the worst atrocity ever committed on American soil as it played out before their eyes.

...

In the car was $4700 in cash, a couple of foreign passports and a pair of box cutters - the concealed Stanley Knife-type blades used by the 19 hijackers who'd flown jetliners into the World Trade Centre and Pentagon just hours before. There were also fresh pictures of the men standing with the smouldering wreckage of the Twin Towers in the background. One image showed a hand flicking a lighter in front of the devastated buildings, like a fan at a pop concert. The driver of the van then told the arresting officers: "We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem."

...

[superskippy]

If your going to start implying Israeli involvment in 9/11, it belongs in the Alternate Theories forum.

[blockhead]

superskippy wrote: If your going to start implying Israeli involvment in 9/11, it belongs in the Alternate Theories forum.

The previous poster stated the dancing in the streets by "these" people. I simply pointed out that there were other "people" dancing in the street. I'm sorry if I offended you. These people were arrested, it's not a THEORY.

[ToonArmyIsComing]

The "inconsistenties" very much depend on your perspective. In the Palestinian perspective, Israel is not a legitimate entity as its very existence is based on aggression in taking land away from the inhabitants of the region, so while such "logic" works within a Western audience, you fail to point out any inconsistenties to a Palestinian audience.

[TheGirlNextDoor]

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