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[Wolverine]

Our best buds seem to think that handguns only serve a purpose to kill. In 2004 728,511 handguns were manufactured, so logically that same number of people should have died by gun fire in 2004.
http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/stats/afmer/afmer2004.pdf

So I must ask, where's our 728,511 murders?

[Rankor and Pissing]

Wolverine wrote: Our best buds seem to think that handguns only serve a purpose to kill. In 2004 728,511 handguns were manufactured, so logically that same number of people should have died by gun fire in 2004.
http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/stats/afmer/afmer2004.pdf

So I must ask, where's our 728,511 murders?

<in a spooky voice>


Let me look in my crystal ball..... yes... yes... I see it.... I see a chart of bulls**t information in your future..... yes..... it has claims of.... yes.... FBI information..... BATF information...... it's ... it's.... nonsense!

[Wolverine]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: Wolverine wrote: Our best buds seem to think that handguns only serve a purpose to kill. In 2004 728,511 handguns were manufactured, so logically that same number of people should have died by gun fire in 2004.
http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/stats/afmer/afmer2004.pdf

So I must ask, where's our 728,511 murders?

<in a spooky voice>


Let me look in my crystal ball..... yes... yes... I see it.... I see a chart of bulls**t information in your future..... yes..... it has claims of.... yes.... FBI information..... BATF information...... it's ... it's.... nonsense!
You mean it is coming? omg..... It can't be! It can't be!

[britboy]

Wolverine wrote: Our best buds seem to think that handguns only serve a purpose to kill. In 2004 728,511 handguns were manufactured, so logically that same number of people should have died by gun fire in 2004.
http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/stats/afmer/afmer2004.pdf

So I must ask, where's our 728,511 murders?


Well, that is a fantastic post. You're logic is amazing.

Pro-gunners -- please write below if you agree or not with Wolverine's post and how he formulates his logic? I'm interested.

[Wolverine]

I love you too britboy.

On multiple occasions my best bud from over the Atlantic has stated that handguns serve no other purpose but to kill, then posts a graph showing that handguns are used in 64% of crimes. So I wanted to see if a non-Lucky anti-gunner could explain to me way over 700K handguns are made, with the absence of 700K+ murders.

[britboy]

Wolverine wrote: I love you too britboy.

On multiple occasions my best bud from over the Atlantic has stated that handguns serve no other purpose but to kill, then posts a graph showing that handguns are used in 64% of crimes. So I wanted to see if a non-Lucky anti-gunner could explain to me way over 700K handguns are made, with the absence of 700K+ murders.

Yes this often confuses me also.

I would have at a guess, and a crazy guess at that, that not all objects are always used for their primary intended purpose.

The way I see it, it is similar somewhat to a game of snakes and ladders I have at home. There are some squares that none of us have EVER landed on. This completely confuses me, I bought the game with 64 squares yet haven't used a load of them, ever! Yet people are silly enough to suggest the squares I have never used STILL have a primary purpose of aiding the playing of the game. But, I counter, these squares have never been used! Those people are plain silly.

In fact, I believe this particular crack in the space-time continuum is going to end with the universe collapsing in on itself.

[wyldejackyl]

britboy wrote:

I would have at a guess, and a crazy guess at that, that not all objects are always used for their primary intended purpose.


Wow, you just admitted that guns produced with a primary purpose to fire a projectile at a target, an animal, or in self-defense, can be used to commit crime...yet that doesn't justify getting rid of guns just because a few of them aren't used for their intended purpose. Brilliant. There is some hope for you yet.

[airo]

britboy wrote: Wolverine wrote: I love you too britboy.

On multiple occasions my best bud from over the Atlantic has stated that handguns serve no other purpose but to kill, then posts a graph showing that handguns are used in 64% of crimes. So I wanted to see if a non-Lucky anti-gunner could explain to me way over 700K handguns are made, with the absence of 700K+ murders.

Yes this often confuses me also.

I would have at a guess, and a crazy guess at that, that not all objects are always used for their primary intended purpose.

The way I see it, it is similar somewhat to a game of snakes and ladders I have at home. There are some squares that none of us have EVER landed on. This completely confuses me, I bought the game with 64 squares yet haven't used a load of them, ever! Yet people are silly enough to suggest the squares I have never used STILL have a primary purpose of aiding the playing of the game. But, I counter, these squares have never been used! Those people are plain silly.

In fact, I believe this particular crack in the space-time continuum is going to end with the universe collapsing in on itself.

So... you're leading me to believe that the intended purpose for firearms is to kill innocent people?

[britboy]

Here is the quote Airo

Quote: In 2004 728,511 handguns were manufactured, so logically that same number of people should have died by gun fire in 2004.


Airo, do you agree with the logic Wolverine is suggesting?

[wyldejackyl]

Why don't you answer my post, britboy? It's okay to have conflicting logic..that's how most anti-gunners are. They like to confuse issues and blame pieces of metal for crime.

Plus you walk right around Airo's statement as well- maybe you should answer his question, then see mine..as that forms the basis of your entire defense of Wolverine's question to you (and people like you).

[Wolverine]

britboy wrote:
Yes this often confuses me also.
Yes, I know, the candle light Burger King dinner, Dr. Pepper, mcflanklin walking in.... confusing. :lol:

Quote: I would have at a guess, and a crazy guess at that, that not all objects are always used for their primary intended purpose.
omg, you don't say? You mena to say that guns are inteneded to kill people (even though ATF rules otherwise), and vast majority of people don't use them to kill each other? It can't be.

Quote: The way I see it, it is similar somewhat to a game of snakes and ladders I have at home. There are some squares that none of us have EVER landed on. This completely confuses me, I bought the game with 64 squares yet haven't used a load of them, ever! Yet people are silly enough to suggest the squares I have never used STILL have a primary purpose of aiding the playing of the game. But, I counter, these squares have never been used! Those people are plain silly.
Yeah.....

Quote: In fact, I believe this particular crack in the space-time continuum is going to end with the universe collapsing in on itself.
You too? We more people in this cult.

[mattman42]

Those 728,511 guns + the 10s of millions we already have. Why are we getting only 12,000 or so murders despite having so many guns (handguns even!) available? Why, that almost seems to indicate that only a tiny percentage of guns will ever be used to murder someone.

[britboy]

mattman42 wrote: Those 728,511 guns + the 10s of millions we already have. Why are we getting only 12,000 or so murders despite having so many guns (handguns even!) available? Why, that almost seems to indicate that only a tiny percentage of guns will ever be used to murder someone.

Certainly only a tiny percentage will be used. But the counter-argument is that the tiny percentage would go down even further if you didn't dole them out to any old sod with some cash and no (current) criminal record. And that 'tiny' is a relevent term ...

[mattman42]

britboy wrote: mattman42 wrote: Those 728,511 guns + the 10s of millions we already have. Why are we getting only 12,000 or so murders despite having so many guns (handguns even!) available? Why, that almost seems to indicate that only a tiny percentage of guns will ever be used to murder someone.

Certainly only a tiny percentage will be used. But the counter-argument is that the tiny percentage would go down even further if you didn't dole them out to any old sod with some cash and no (current) criminal record. And that 'tiny' is a relevent term ...

But then there's that whole issue of guns doing more good than harm. The estimate of hundreds of thousands and even millions of defensive gun uses per year far outweighs any argument which is centered around murder rates. In other words, it seems that we've established that A) relatively few guns will be used in crimes and B) even if there were more being used, it would have to get a lot more common before it outweighs the number of times they're used defensively. Is that right?

[Wolverine]

Exacty.

[mODULAR mAN]

britboy wrote: Wolverine wrote: Our best buds seem to think that handguns only serve a purpose to kill. In 2004 728,511 handguns were manufactured, so logically that same number of people should have died by gun fire in 2004.
http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/stats/afmer/afmer2004.pdf

So I must ask, where's our 728,511 murders?


Well, that is a fantastic post. You're logic is amazing.

Pro-gunners -- please write below if you agree or not with Wolverine's post and how he formulates his logic? I'm interested.


Yes, I was wondering about his "logic" as well. :lol:

[Wolverine]

I was using anti-gun logic I have seen on several forums.

"I don't see why you people need handguns, they are made strictly to kill and maine other people".

[Lucky Luke]

mattman42 wrote: britboy wrote: mattman42 wrote: Those 728,511 guns + the 10s of millions we already have. Why are we getting only 12,000 or so murders despite having so many guns (handguns even!) available? Why, that almost seems to indicate that only a tiny percentage of guns will ever be used to murder someone.

Certainly only a tiny percentage will be used. But the counter-argument is that the tiny percentage would go down even further if you didn't dole them out to any old sod with some cash and no (current) criminal record. And that 'tiny' is a relevent term ...

But then there's that whole issue of guns doing more good than harm. The estimate of hundreds of thousands and even millions of defensive gun uses per year far outweighs any argument which is centered around murder rates. In other words, it seems that we've established that A) relatively few guns will be used in crimes and B) even if there were more being used, it would have to get a lot more common before it outweighs the number of times they're used defensively. Is that right?

Wrong.

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[Rankor and Pissing]

Lucky Luke wrote: mattman42 wrote: britboy wrote: mattman42 wrote: Those 728,511 guns + the 10s of millions we already have. Why are we getting only 12,000 or so murders despite having so many guns (handguns even!) available? Why, that almost seems to indicate that only a tiny percentage of guns will ever be used to murder someone.

Certainly only a tiny percentage will be used. But the counter-argument is that the tiny percentage would go down even further if you didn't dole them out to any old sod with some cash and no (current) criminal record. And that 'tiny' is a relevent term ...

But then there's that whole issue of guns doing more good than harm. The estimate of hundreds of thousands and even millions of defensive gun uses per year far outweighs any argument which is centered around murder rates. In other words, it seems that we've established that A) relatively few guns will be used in crimes and B) even if there were more being used, it would have to get a lot more common before it outweighs the number of times they're used defensively. Is that right?

Wrong.

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If you're admitting you're wrong, I agree. Now how about one of those spiffy charts of yours. Prove my crystal ball correct!

[Lucky Luke]

Wolverine wrote: I love you too britboy.

On multiple occasions my best bud from over the Atlantic has stated that handguns serve no other purpose but to kill, then posts a graph showing that handguns are used in 64% of crimes. So I wanted to see if a non-Lucky anti-gunner could explain to me way over 700K handguns are made, with the absence of 700K+ murders.

Lies, if you want to quote me quote me correctly with my own words and a link, if you can't, don't quote me at all.

There are no graphs showing that handguns are used in 64% of crimes, if you can find one I'll show you a lie.

Now show us the truth if you can Whateveryournameis.

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