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[Freemason]

Superiority is a difficult word - and in today's world goes far beyond simply military conquest. There's the wayward ideas of racial superiority expressed by mid-century Germany and Japan, of ideological superiority between the Free market and Communism.

What is the American superiority?

STRATEGY

Let's take a gander at the world today. Just 60 years ago the most violent war in human history ended. The idea of Germany or Japan attacking the United States or other nations again is unthinkable.

But why?

In 1940 Germany invaded France.

In 1914 Germany invaded France.

In 1870 Germany invaded France.

You get the idea.

Where did such a reutine end?

The answer is the same reason why in 1860 and before - the Civil War was such a popular idea.

But now - it's an unthinkable rift and the "South will rise again" is used more to make fun of hillbillies than to make a political statement.

Because American Strategy is good - and often - absolute.

In the case of Germany and Japan - two things happend. Germany was a failure - the US would have much rather captured Berlin and beyond - BEFORE - the Russians.

But Japan would not happen the same way, we chose the atomic bomb over allowing the Soviet Union to position itself to occupy ANY part of Japan.

With what we did control - a strategy was developed to deal with the Soviet Union.

British Lord Ismay stated - "the strategy of the US in creating NATO (in 1949) is to keep the Soviets out, the US in, and the Germans down".

Simply put, the US decided it was cheaper to have a large defense budget - being Germany's army and Japan's navy, than to spend even MORE money on the potential threat of German and Japanese militarism.

So - the reoccuring cycle of invasion of France by Germany (or Germany by France) was ended in short, by making Germany a military protectorate. Our army allows them to keep a civilian economy with only a parsimonious military.

Same goes for Japan.

It's expensive - but cheaper than the alternative, two important industrial nations that could have sided with the Soviet Union.

This might be over looked by people today - if it weren't for the fact the US has done it for 230 years and is so good at it.

We destroyed the German and Japanese Empires, and now...the Soviet Empire.

We have outlasted everyone - and the question is are we containing the rise of China and India?

I would say we aren't doing quite a good job but the incentives aren't there...and so the US has taken a blind eye to their rise - except for some within policy making positions.

Out of the two - India is our greatest threat, with a nationalist party bent on killing Muslims, and impossible poverty - India is becoming more pro-Russian than they should be, and thus is less predictable than China (even though China is making good with their military pacts with Russia).

In short - it is quite annoying when the media portrays the US as a wayward giant or making "mistakes". As far as wars go - it may not win them all (though in a way the main objective is won...for instance in Vietnam our involvement still earned us the Vietnamese economy - which did not go to China or the Soviet Union).

But we certainly don't just choose a place for no reason. The world is our chess board and we have many protectorates needing defense or containment.

[Chymical]

^^^ Racist post please remove.

[JoeBen81]

OMG, you're such an Embarrasment... Have you ever even served?

[LostSoul3412]

Freemason wrote: The world is our chess board and we have many protectorates needing defense or containment.

:rotf:

[Freemason]

If anyone of you could refute this post - please do, other-wise take your moronic statements such as "racist post" elsewhere.

[agentkgb]

Freemason wrote: We have outlasted everyone
Define "everyone." Does it mean "every country" as one would expect or something else?

[Chymical]

Rebuttal...

You need a girlfriend. Now. Turn off the computer and go outside.
Don't talk to your potential quarries about politics or America.
After you eventually score, come back to this thread and read your opening post.
Then reply with how much your once narrow and animalistic worldview has changed.

Not Joking btw.

[JoeBen81]

Freemason wrote: If anyone of you could refute this post - please do, other-wise take your moronic statements such as "racist post" elsewhere.
Sh!t in, Sh!t out.

Anwser the question: Have you ever served?

[Freemason]

Joe - stop resorting to strawman arguments (which that is) and maybe I'll answer your question. Now - care to refute anything presented here?

[thefranzkafkafront]

For the love of christ stop making these pseduo historical posts. Honest to god you have little to no idea what your talking about, most of your views are more ahistorical than a harry turtledove book.

The whole germany france cycle theory you have is bunkus, espeically considering the first you mention, the franco prussia war happened before germany was created. The Following two wars were a result of complex alliance systems.

Japan and Germany are also parlimentary federal republics since 1947 and 1949 respectively, they are not millitary protectorates, nor where they ever. They went from being occupied zones into independant nations.

Thirdly, India is not run by nationalist parties bent on killing muslims, hell if you'd done the reserch for once you'd realise that the party in power the indian national congress is a social democrat party and the president Abdul Kalam is a muslim.

Please.. just stop ok. Your embrassing yourself.

[JoeBen81]

Freemason wrote: Joe - stop resorting to strawman arguments (which that is) and maybe I'll answer your question. Now - care to refute anything presented here?

NO. I'm not saying we're not Superior. I'm just wondering what kind of person gets on these forums and touts this crap, especially in the wake of Iraq. Real men don't try to assert there dominance. You couldn't make the US look like bigger **** if you tryed. So....
Once again: Have you ever served......?

[JoeBen81]

thefranzkafkafront wrote:

Please.. just stop ok. Your embrassing yourself.

He's embarrasing me, as an American.

[Freemason]

Chymical wrote: Rebuttal...

You need a girlfriend. Now. Turn off the computer and go outside.
Don't talk to your potential quarries about politics or America.
After you eventually score, come back to this thread and read your opening post.
Then reply with how much your once narrow and animalistic worldview has changed.

Not Joking btw.

Guh personal insults...

Where have you been? What have you done with your life?

Don't do that again. --Gus

[NAB]

While I might disagree with the assumption of the term superiority, I think there is a nugget of ugly truth in this topic. Government's don't have true " friends" and allies, only interests (or self-interests). This notion obviously rubs people the wrong way, as it should. The one thing I might ask is with all the success the US has had in the last century in a half, what is the cost? Does the direction we're taking as a nation have anything to do with the intentions our Founding Fathers had for this land? I would suggest that would be a NO, and I feel that is where any true superiority we might have had as a nation lies, and not in the direction it has taken.

[thefranzkafkafront]

Thank god this thread finally has random pictures of scenery, i was starting to worry.

[U seless N ations]

omg mason why are you doing this to yourself?.....
U might as well paint a bullseye on your threads and retitle them flame me....
I tried to pm you a week ago and asked you to pick your posts and topics more reasonably because you make yourself such a target on here.... I never got a response and here you are being torn apart again...
BUT YOUR ASKING FOR IT WHY DO YOU DO THIS TOO YOURSELF????
:?

[U seless N ations]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: Thank god this thread finally has random pictures of scenery, i was starting to worry. :lol:

[callous]

American superiority is only lauded in the minds of the intolerant.

[Freemason]

thefranzkafkafront wrote: For the love of christ stop making these pseduo historical posts. Honest to god you have little to no idea what your talking about, most of your views are more ahistorical than a harry turtledove book.

The whole germany france cycle theory you have is bunkus, espeically considering the first you mention, the franco prussia war happened before germany was created. The Following two wars were a result of complex alliance systems.

Japan and Germany are also parlimentary federal republics since 1947 and 1949 respectively, they are not millitary protectorates, nor where they ever. They went from being occupied zones into independant nations.

Thirdly, India is not run by nationalist parties bent on killing muslims, hell if you'd done the reserch for once you'd realise that the party in power the indian national congress is a social democrat party and the president Abdul Kalam is a muslim.

Please.. just stop ok. Your embrassing yourself.

Concerning who invaded who you're talking symantics - a German will trace their history (usually by family even) to the 1400s, before the fall of the Holy Roman Empire. That is regardless of if they are from Westfalen or bedenwurtenberg or schleswig-holstein - or Ostprussische.

They are military protectorates - whose "defensive forces" are much smaller than their neighbors. France's military is larger in materiel and certainly in Navy than the German military.

Concerning India - it has a SIGNIFICANT "Nationalist Party" the Bharatiya Janata Party which was in power until 1999 and is doubtfully out of power in the literal sense at this time.

It is a rightist-Hindu nationalist party and has been responsible for egging on the conflicts in Kashmir and along the Pakistan border.

[Freemason]

U seless N ations wrote: omg mason why are you doing this to yourself?.....
U might as well paint a bullseye on your threads and retitle them flame me....
I tried to pm you a week ago and asked you to pick your posts and topics more reasonably because you make yourself such a target on here.... I never got a response and here you are being torn apart again...
BUT YOUR ASKING FOR IT WHY DO YOU DO THIS TOO YOURSELF????
:?

Do what? Call out morons who can't realize that the United States is the dominant force on the planet and excersises it through great use of Strategy in supressing threats before they occur - destroying threats that exist - and cementing American hegemony over most of the industrialized world?

That's simply the way things ARE these days...not my fault someone comes in here and says "OMG U R THE R-TARD!"