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[Rankor and Pissing]

We ALL have heard things similar to the following:

- There is no terrorism
- America and Israel are to blame for being in Arab lands
- A War on Terror cannot be won
- Fighting terrorism and extremism in Iraq instead of American soil is Bush propaganda
- Fighting terrorism only creates more terrorists
- Terrorists and their supporters only make up a few thousand people


So I will now show you how extremists who are not in Arab lands behave and use their freedom and free-speech.

Opinion: Europe has a lot to worry about - the EU is I think fragile at this time, but it seems there are some who are not happy at all. These people has as much right to say what they want to say as anyone else. However, if there's proof that terrorism and extremists views permeate through to moderate Muslims, I would suggest these pictures tell a thousand words:

http://www.acage.org/mmedia/?id=0013

Will there be a 9/11 as these signs state, in the EU? These are the people who do not understand nor deserve the freedoms they have, and who are living off the backs of Europe. Kudos to being civilized.

[blockhead]

It's called propaganda.

[homerjay_s]

Not sure what your point is, other than to equate all followers of Islam with being terrorists.

Nice link to a biggotted, hatemongering, ignorance spreading website. It explains your position quite well.

[Revenant]

"Terrorism doesn't exist..."


It doesn't. Acts of war exist however. People need to get over their selective interpretation of what a civilian is just so they can use buzzwords like "terrorism". Throw the cushy term "civilian" out of the window.

3000 were killed in an act of war.

[soldierofsoul]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: We ALL have heard things similar to the following:

- There is no terrorism
- America and Israel are to blame for being in Arab lands
- A War on Terror cannot be won
- Fighting terrorism and extremism in Iraq instead of American soil is Bush propaganda
- Fighting terrorism only creates more terrorists
- Terrorists and their supporters only make up a few thousand people


So I will now show you how extremists who are not in Arab lands behave and use their freedom and free-speech.

Opinion: Europe has a lot to worry about - the EU is I think fragile at this time, but it seems there are some who are not happy at all. These people has as much right to say what they want to say as anyone else. However, if there's proof that terrorism and extremists views permeate through to moderate Muslims, I would suggest these pictures tell a thousand words:

http://www.acage.org/mmedia/?id=0013

Will there be a 9/11 as these signs state, in the EU? These are the people who do not understand nor deserve the freedoms they have, and who are living off the backs of Europe. Kudos to being civilized.

I agree man it is a demonic force that has takin' control of the world, you can say that i am a extremist but I know the truth, or are you still looking for it, ask yourself that.

[CountryGuy]

homerjay_s wrote: Not sure what your point is, other than to equate all followers of Islam with being terrorists.

Nice link to a biggotted, hatemongering, ignorance spreading website. It explains your position quite well.

Is the site very one-sided in its position? Yes, I'll 100% agree with you. Its also incorrect in blaming all of Islam.

But I see more ignorance in the Muslim world of pretending this large subculture doesn't exist.

[homerjay_s]

CountryGuy wrote: homerjay_s wrote: Not sure what your point is, other than to equate all followers of Islam with being terrorists.

Nice link to a biggotted, hatemongering, ignorance spreading website. It explains your position quite well.

Is the site very one-sided in its position? Yes, I'll 100% agree with you. Its also incorrect in blaming all of Islam.

But I see more ignorance in the Muslim world of pretending this large subculture doesn't exist.

Really, when was the last time you saw a Muslim deny that there were radical Muslims attempting to carry out jihad?

[Brock]

the secret services infiltrate the muslem communities, and rally impressionable poeple to be radical. It's happened in Canada a plot was spoiled, bunch of young muslems were arrested. the guy who caught them claimed he was working for the Canadian intel. agency, to find radicals. But the kids cliam HE was the one who influenced them to be that way, and was the planner of the attacks. he was a muslem in the community, slimmy looking character.

Maybe the english muslems are all just radical on their own, but I would suspect the British intel. agency has some big part in it.

[soldierofsoul]

Brock wrote: the secret services infiltrate the muslem communities, and rally impressionable poeple to be radical. It's happened in Canada a plot was spoiled, bunch of young muslems were arrested. the guy who caught them claimed he was working for the Canadian intel. agency, to find radicals. But the kids cliam HE was the one who influenced them to be that way, and was the planner of the attacks.

Maybe the english muslems are all just radical on their own, but I would suspect the British intel. agency has some big part in it.

Hmmmmmm...facts?.......

[CountryGuy]

homerjay_s wrote: CountryGuy wrote: homerjay_s wrote: Not sure what your point is, other than to equate all followers of Islam with being terrorists.

Nice link to a biggotted, hatemongering, ignorance spreading website. It explains your position quite well.

Is the site very one-sided in its position? Yes, I'll 100% agree with you. Its also incorrect in blaming all of Islam.

But I see more ignorance in the Muslim world of pretending this large subculture doesn't exist.

Really, when was the last time you saw a Muslim deny that there were radical Muslims attempting to carry out jihad?

When radical clerics are invited to muslim communities. When money is funneled to Hamas, or Hezbollah. When entire muslim countries refuse to do much of anything to stop the cycle by closing down radical schools teaching this hatred.

Are you trying to tell me that the majority of country's Muslim communities are doing what they can to snuff out radicalism in the name of their religion?

[Brock]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10663276/

[Nathyn]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: We ALL have heard things similar to the following:

- There is no terrorism
- America and Israel are to blame for being in Arab lands
- A War on Terror cannot be won
- Fighting terrorism and extremism in Iraq instead of American soil is Bush propaganda
- Fighting terrorism only creates more terrorists
- Terrorists and their supporters only make up a few thousand people


So I will now show you how extremists who are not in Arab lands behave and use their freedom and free-speech.

Opinion: Europe has a lot to worry about - the EU is I think fragile at this time, but it seems there are some who are not happy at all. These people has as much right to say what they want to say as anyone else. However, if there's proof that terrorism and extremists views permeate through to moderate Muslims, I would suggest these pictures tell a thousand words:

http://www.acage.org/mmedia/?id=0013

Will there be a 9/11 as these signs state, in the EU? These are the people who do not understand nor deserve the freedoms they have, and who are living off the backs of Europe. Kudos to being civilized.
Being an ignorant American living in a country where Muslims are rare, people like Michelle Malkin are my only source for information on Muslims. Muslims, like Jews in Nazi Germany, are a vast minority. They wear strange clothes, have strange customs, speak foreign languages, and are in many ways so "different." For this reason, I simply have to say: I hate them. Every time I see Muslims on TV, they're blowing things up, killing people, and hating on Jews. Since the media is liberally-biased, that must actually mean Muslims are even worse than they're shown to be. And frankly, I think Muslims are despicable because of how they bigotedly stereotype, discriminate against, and make blanket statements about Jews.

Until Muslims shed aside their turbans, burqas, and beards, and start wearing blue jeans, bikinis, and start drinking Coca-Cola, I'm still going to think they are a strange people which are to be distrusted. Until civil liberty is crushed under the weight of perpetual fear, I won't stop thinking they are all terrorists. And until Muslims denounce Muhammad and praise Jesus as their savior, I won't stop thinking that they are just some kind of large-scale Satanic cult.

Pretty much any sign-wielding protesters of any movement tend to be the most extremist people (you never see a sign that says, "MODERATE CENTRISM MUST BE ESTABLISHED NOW!" or "EXTREMISTS MUST DIE!" eh?). In this case, the circumstances are totally different. Muslims are a unique case, for the reasons stated above. These aren't just radical Muslims, like Wahhabis, Qutbis, and the various Shiite militias throughout the Middle East. This selective list of photos are representative of real, mainstream Muslims. What mainstream Islamic organizations have said about terrorism is irrelevant. The supposed fatwas against terrorism by respected imams and ayatollahs is irrelevant. The overwhelming majority of the Middle-East reaching out to America on 9/11 is irrelevant. Leftists just don't seem to understand that people like Congressman Keith Ellison, Jermaine Jackson, and Cat Stevens want us dead.

I used to work with several Muslims at Wal-Mart. During their breaks, they would uphold their mandatory prayers, but they would do so privately, by praying to Mecca in the clothing department's changing room, likely because we ignorant Americans would gawk and stare if they actually sat on a rug, barefoot, in public (and rightfully so!). And every day, I was quite certain that my co-workers wanted to kill me because they wore turbans and had beards. Well, not all of them. In fact, one Arab co-worker I knew was also a Muslim, but he had no turban or beard, he spoke fluent English, and he was a pretty nice guy (so he probably wasn't a very devout Muslim).

I never spoke to the other Muslims, though. Why should I? I have people like Michelle Malkin and Glen Beck who tell me all I need to know.

It's just satire, folks

[Brock]

the inside musluem that ratted on them was on the news once, that I saw, and that the radicals said he was the leader/planner. It was on the news for a bit and quickly forgotten, I bet over 80% of Canadians don't even know that a major attack was avoided.

[blockhead]

I don't trust Muhammad Ali, he should be jailed.

[callous]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: We ALL have heard things similar to the following:

- There is no terrorism
- America and Israel are to blame for being in Arab lands
- A War on Terror cannot be won
- Fighting terrorism and extremism in Iraq instead of American soil is Bush propaganda
- Fighting terrorism only creates more terrorists
- Terrorists and their supporters only make up a few thousand people


So I will now show you how extremists who are not in Arab lands behave and use their freedom and free-speech.

Opinion: Europe has a lot to worry about - the EU is I think fragile at this time, but it seems there are some who are not happy at all. These people has as much right to say what they want to say as anyone else. However, if there's proof that terrorism and extremists views permeate through to moderate Muslims, I would suggest these pictures tell a thousand words:

http://www.acage.org/mmedia/?id=0013

Will there be a 9/11 as these signs state, in the EU? These are the people who do not understand nor deserve the freedoms they have, and who are living off the backs of Europe. Kudos to being civilized.

Of course there will be a 9/11 in europe if elite capitalists decide that they need some political capital to use....

So what does that have to do with arab terrorists?

[Gaea]

Rankor and Pissing wrote: We ALL have heard things similar to the following:

- There is no terrorism
- America and Israel are to blame for being in Arab lands
- A War on Terror cannot be won
- Fighting terrorism and extremism in Iraq instead of American soil is Bush propaganda
- Fighting terrorism only creates more terrorists
- Terrorists and their supporters only make up a few thousand people


So I will now show you how extremists who are not in Arab lands behave and use their freedom and free-speech.

Opinion: Europe has a lot to worry about - the EU is I think fragile at this time, but it seems there are some who are not happy at all. These people has as much right to say what they want to say as anyone else. However, if there's proof that terrorism and extremists views permeate through to moderate Muslims, I would suggest these pictures tell a thousand words:

http://www.acage.org/mmedia/?id=0013

Will there be a 9/11 as these signs state, in the EU? These are the people who do not understand nor deserve the freedoms they have, and who are living off the backs of Europe. Kudos to being civilized.


With US borders wide open and it's ports and nuclear plants basically unprotected for the last five years....one would think the terrorists would just be pouring in to wreak havoc and destruction.

Well, where are they?

I don't mean to imply that terrorists or terrorism doesn't exist, but I do think the methods employed by the Bush administration to fight terrorism has excerbated the problem from a few sporadic incidents to what has now become a major problem of global magnitude far beyond what was neccessary, economical or even morally justifiable.

Overkill would be a good way to describe it.

[Mr. Sunshine]

The only way to change an Islamofascist's mind is with a bullet. 8:)

[callous]

Mr. Sunshine wrote: The only way to change an Islamofascist's mind is with a bullet. 8:)

That means nothing.

[Charlie Man]

He's saying that stereotypes are forever, I think. Unwittingly at least.

Still, I agree that terrorism is a murky word that tries to give gray area between an attacker and a civilian. There's reason for it, but not that much reason :D

[CountryGuy]

Moot wrote: Rankor and Pissing wrote: We ALL have heard things similar to the following:

- There is no terrorism
- America and Israel are to blame for being in Arab lands
- A War on Terror cannot be won
- Fighting terrorism and extremism in Iraq instead of American soil is Bush propaganda
- Fighting terrorism only creates more terrorists
- Terrorists and their supporters only make up a few thousand people


So I will now show you how extremists who are not in Arab lands behave and use their freedom and free-speech.

Opinion: Europe has a lot to worry about - the EU is I think fragile at this time, but it seems there are some who are not happy at all. These people has as much right to say what they want to say as anyone else. However, if there's proof that terrorism and extremists views permeate through to moderate Muslims, I would suggest these pictures tell a thousand words:

http://www.acage.org/mmedia/?id=0013

Will there be a 9/11 as these signs state, in the EU? These are the people who do not understand nor deserve the freedoms they have, and who are living off the backs of Europe. Kudos to being civilized.


With US borders wide open and it's ports and nuclear plants basically unprotected for the last five years....one would think the terrorists would just be pouring in to wreak havoc and destruction.

Well, where are they?

I don't mean to imply that terrorists or terrorism doesn't exist, but I do think the methods employed by the Bush administration to fight terrorism has excerbated the problem from a few sporadic incidents to what has now become a major problem of global magnitude far beyond what was neccessary, economical or even morally justifiable.

Overkill would be a good way to describe it.

A few sporadic incidents?? Is that what its come to?

Friend, 3000+ people were killed, two landmarks in the US destroyed... Just five years ago. Amazing how quickly people forget.

And the incidents are sporadic only to you. Ask the UK. Ask Spain. Ask Israel. Ask Russia. Islamic terrorism has been an issue for decades, its only now starting to touch us. I think many of the methods employed are sorely needed -- Not all of them, but many are.