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feederband
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:56 pm Post subject: Re: Heaven and man. |
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eynon wrote: feederband wrote: psholtz wrote: feederband wrote: psholtz wrote: feederband wrote: psholtz wrote: Narvik wrote: Then why strive to get to heaven?
Heaven is immortal and incorruptible..
It's a better deal than life here on Earth.
No living person has ever told me what heaven was like...Come to think of it no dead ones either...
Read your Gospels..
There are many descriptions therein of what Heaven is like..
As much as can be communicated from one human to another using words..
Heaven is a like a small mustard, etc, etc..
Gospels ...Word written by men claiming something...
Don't ask questions if you aren't prepared for the answer.
I asked no question here and the gospels are nothing to me...
really? like not even books of wisdom, or stories about a nice guy?
No... I have no need for gossip.. Ooops I mean gospels |
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psholtz
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject: Re: Heaven and man. |
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feederband wrote: No... I have no need for gossip.. Ooops I mean gospels
Then you mind explaining what exactly you're doing on a Christian forum? |
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eynon
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: Heaven and man. |
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feederband wrote: eynon wrote: feederband wrote: psholtz wrote: feederband wrote: psholtz wrote: feederband wrote: psholtz wrote: Narvik wrote: Then why strive to get to heaven?
Heaven is immortal and incorruptible..
It's a better deal than life here on Earth.
No living person has ever told me what heaven was like...Come to think of it no dead ones either...
Read your Gospels..
There are many descriptions therein of what Heaven is like..
As much as can be communicated from one human to another using words..
Heaven is a like a small mustard, etc, etc..
Gospels ...Word written by men claiming something...
Don't ask questions if you aren't prepared for the answer.
I asked no question here and the gospels are nothing to me...
really? like not even books of wisdom, or stories about a nice guy?
No... I have no need for gossip.. Ooops I mean gospels
damn........so you were a believer at one time right? |
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eynon
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: Heaven and man. |
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psholtz wrote: feederband wrote: No... I have no need for gossip.. Ooops I mean gospels
Then you mind explaining what exactly you're doing on a Christian forum?
(giggle) |
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feederband
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: Heaven and man. |
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psholtz wrote: feederband wrote: No... I have no need for gossip.. Ooops I mean gospels
Then you mind explaining what exactly you're doing on a Christian forum?
Trying to find your god... I mean 2 billion people can't be wrong right...Or at least some real insight on why you believe the way you do..... |
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feederband
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: Heaven and man. |
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eynon wrote: feederband wrote: eynon wrote: feederband wrote: psholtz wrote: feederband wrote: psholtz wrote: feederband wrote: psholtz wrote: Narvik wrote: Then why strive to get to heaven?
Heaven is immortal and incorruptible..
It's a better deal than life here on Earth.
No living person has ever told me what heaven was like...Come to think of it no dead ones either...
Read your Gospels..
There are many descriptions therein of what Heaven is like..
As much as can be communicated from one human to another using words..
Heaven is a like a small mustard, etc, etc..
Gospels ...Word written by men claiming something...
Don't ask questions if you aren't prepared for the answer.
I asked no question here and the gospels are nothing to me...
really? like not even books of wisdom, or stories about a nice guy?
No... I have no need for gossip.. Ooops I mean gospels
damn........so you were a believer at one time right?
Correct... |
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psholtz
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: Heaven and man. |
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feederband wrote: psholtz wrote: feederband wrote: No... I have no need for gossip.. Ooops I mean gospels
Then you mind explaining what exactly you're doing on a Christian forum?
Trying to find your god... I mean 2 billion people can't be wrong right...Or at least some real insight on why you believe the way you do.....
Like I said, the Gospels are a much better source for that kind of insight than anything I might be able to do or say. |
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eynon
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: Heaven and man. |
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feederband wrote: psholtz wrote: feederband wrote: No... I have no need for gossip.. Ooops I mean gospels
Then you mind explaining what exactly you're doing on a Christian forum?
Trying to find your god... I mean 2 billion people can't be wrong right...Or at least some real insight on why you believe the way you do.....
oh.......converting feederband? now that's pressure :lol: |
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mODULAR mAN
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: Heaven and man. |
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Narvik wrote: psholtz wrote: Narvik wrote: psholtz wrote: Narvik wrote: Why doesn't God let us all live in heaven?
He does, just so long as you obey God's Law.
Check Luke 17:21 for more info..
What I meant was why didn't he create us in heaven and let us live there forever, like he did to the angels.
You have Free Will.
Angels don't.
You are more powerful than angels, for this reason.
But as a consequence of that power, you must suffer for it as well.. esp when you make retarded decisions as a consequence of your Free Will.
My question was: why didn't he create us in heaven?
Do we lose our free will when we get to heaven? If not, why didn't God create us in heaven. If so, how can we be more powerful than angels?
This is an interesting question. Since, there are contradicitions in the Xian story.
1. "Angels don't have Free Will" - yet Satan, an angel, was able to freely go and do what he wanted.
2. If Free Will is the main reason he made us, then do we have it in heaven? If so, is there sin in heaven? If not, why not? Why here and not there?
3. If he made Free Will despite his desire to be worshipped, why does he get so upset when he isn't worshipped? How is it Free Will if we know we will be punished eternally?
(Plus, "free will" is an impossibility, so it doesn't even come into the equation) |
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eynon
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: Heaven and man. |
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psholtz wrote: feederband wrote: psholtz wrote: feederband wrote: No... I have no need for gossip.. Ooops I mean gospels
Then you mind explaining what exactly you're doing on a Christian forum?
Trying to find your god... I mean 2 billion people can't be wrong right...Or at least some real insight on why you believe the way you do.....
Like I said, the Gospels are a much better source for that kind of insight than anything I might be able to do or say.
oh, so well put........I'm just off my game today...... |
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feederband
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: Heaven and man. |
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psholtz wrote: feederband wrote: psholtz wrote: feederband wrote: No... I have no need for gossip.. Ooops I mean gospels
Then you mind explaining what exactly you're doing on a Christian forum?
Trying to find your god... I mean 2 billion people can't be wrong right...Or at least some real insight on why you believe the way you do.....
Like I said, the Gospels are a much better source for that kind of insight than anything I might be able to do or say.
The gospels will not lead me to your god.... |
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feederband
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: Heaven and man. |
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eynon wrote: feederband wrote: psholtz wrote: feederband wrote: No... I have no need for gossip.. Ooops I mean gospels
Then you mind explaining what exactly you're doing on a Christian forum?
Trying to find your god... I mean 2 billion people can't be wrong right...Or at least some real insight on why you believe the way you do.....
oh.......converting feederband? now that's pressure :lol:
But that would also mean 4 billion wrong.... :think: What do I do ...What do I do..... |
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eynon
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:07 pm Post subject: Re: Heaven and man. |
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mODULAR mAN wrote: (Plus, "free will" is an impossibility, so it doesn't even come into the equation)
you talking about chemical pre-disposition? |
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mODULAR mAN
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: Heaven and man. |
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eynon wrote: mODULAR mAN wrote: (Plus, "free will" is an impossibility, so it doesn't even come into the equation)
you talking about chemical pre-disposition?
All of it. |
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mojo
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: Heaven and man. |
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feederband wrote: psholtz wrote: feederband wrote: psholtz wrote: feederband wrote: No... I have no need for gossip.. Ooops I mean gospels
Then you mind explaining what exactly you're doing on a Christian forum?
Trying to find your god... I mean 2 billion people can't be wrong right...Or at least some real insight on why you believe the way you do.....
Like I said, the Gospels are a much better source for that kind of insight than anything I might be able to do or say.
The gospels will not lead me to your god....
Try actually reading them for what they are. The atheist must always be careful of reading too much into things if he is to protect his thinking. |
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eynon
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: Heaven and man. |
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feederband wrote: eynon wrote: feederband wrote: psholtz wrote: feederband wrote: No... I have no need for gossip.. Ooops I mean gospels
Then you mind explaining what exactly you're doing on a Christian forum?
Trying to find your god... I mean 2 billion people can't be wrong right...Or at least some real insight on why you believe the way you do.....
oh.......converting feederband? now that's pressure :lol:
But that would also mean 4 billion wrong.... :think: What do I do ...What do I do.....
hey now, I just think atheists are wrong.....I don't know what God may have worked out with some other groups :lol: |
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eynon
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: Heaven and man. |
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mODULAR mAN wrote: eynon wrote: mODULAR mAN wrote: (Plus, "free will" is an impossibility, so it doesn't even come into the equation)
you talking about chemical pre-disposition?
All of it.
so if there's no free-will how do we practice accountability? |
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mODULAR mAN
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Heaven and man. |
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eynon wrote: mODULAR mAN wrote: eynon wrote: mODULAR mAN wrote: (Plus, "free will" is an impossibility, so it doesn't even come into the equation)
you talking about chemical pre-disposition?
All of it.
so if there's no free-will how do we practice accountability?
To the best of our ability. |
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feederband
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: Heaven and man. |
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eynon wrote: feederband wrote: eynon wrote: feederband wrote: psholtz wrote: feederband wrote: No... I have no need for gossip.. Ooops I mean gospels
Then you mind explaining what exactly you're doing on a Christian forum?
Trying to find your god... I mean 2 billion people can't be wrong right...Or at least some real insight on why you believe the way you do.....
oh.......converting feederband? now that's pressure :lol:
But that would also mean 4 billion wrong.... :think: What do I do ...What do I do.....
hey now, I just think atheists are wrong.....I don't know what God may have worked out with some other groups :lol:
:lol: |
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eynon
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: Heaven and man. |
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mODULAR mAN wrote: eynon wrote: mODULAR mAN wrote: eynon wrote: mODULAR mAN wrote: (Plus, "free will" is an impossibility, so it doesn't even come into the equation)
you talking about chemical pre-disposition?
All of it.
so if there's no free-will how do we practice accountability?
To the best of our ability.
mind expanding on that? |
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