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Thrilla
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Ozzone wrote: Thrilla wrote: Ozzone wrote: blockhead wrote: Broad-based conscription for the military or public service would make U.S. leaders more cautious about going to war, Rangel, of New York, said on CBS's ``Face the Nation.''
It worked so well with Vietnam since most of the troops there weren't volunteers.
It pisses Sangel off that the majority of troops in Iraq support the cause. If you don't like the odds, change them it seems.
actually.. volunteers accounted for over 75% of our forces in Nam.
Where did you get those statistics? Just curious. there are quite a few sources for this info... but here is a link that shows a pretty good overview of stats about Nam vets and such
http://www.vvof.org/factsvnv.htm |
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JLB
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: Dems: Bring Back the Draft! |
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Kilo Tango wrote: I remember a lot of Dems dismissing Rangel as not being serious about his draft legislation before, but guess what, he is.
That's right, cut and run, tax raises, terrorist rights, and ethics dilemmas are not enough.
Two weeks after the election and the dems are calling for a draft! :lol:
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - An influential Democratic lawmaker on Sunday called for reinstatement of the draft as a way to boost U.S. troop levels and draw a broader section of the population into the military or public service.
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U.S. Rep. Charles Rangel (news, bio, voting record), the incoming chairman of the House of Representatives' tax-writing committee, said he would introduce legislation to reinstate the draft as soon as the new, Democratic-controlled Congress convenes in January.
Asked on CBS' "Face the Nation" if he was still serious about the proposal for a universal draft he raised a couple of years ago, he said, "You bet your life. Underscore serious." http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061119/pl_nm/usa_politics_draft_dc
Wow, I bet most people didn't know they were voting for the draft a few weeks ago. I'm sure that will be a popular part of the dems platform in 2008. Liberals love being drafted 8:). Could a party derail any faster than the dems have since winning the election?
What's next, prohibition? :lol:
"I'm glad I voted the Democrats into power!"
"The chicks at Berkely will dig this new look." :lol: |
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JLB
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freeatlast wrote: There's no way there will be a draft, unless the cons do it.
We did away with the draft.
Thank President Nixon.
You guys are bringing it back. 8:)
Quote: Rangel is just baiting the Republicans to point out who the real warmongers are. Bush and Co would have a draft if they could figure out how to get one. Especially for the poor and black.
We have an all volunteer militaryy, so nobody goes anywhere who hasn't signed on the dotted line voluntarily.
This is your future.......
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agentkgb
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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JLB wrote: You guys are bringing it back. 8:)
One congressman doesn't speak for the entire Democratic Party. |
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soldierofsoul
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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agentkgb wrote: JLB wrote: You guys are bringing it back. 8:)
One congressman doesn't speak for the entire Democratic Party.
He could become the house majority leade, over nancy, what does that tell you. |
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agentkgb
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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soldierofsoul wrote: agentkgb wrote: JLB wrote: You guys are bringing it back. 8:)
One congressman doesn't speak for the entire Democratic Party.
He could become the house majority leade, over nancy, what does that tell you.
So? It doesn't make his voice the voice of all Democrats. His particular view on some things could certainly differ from the party's. |
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soldierofsoul
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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agentkgb wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: agentkgb wrote: JLB wrote: You guys are bringing it back. 8:)
One congressman doesn't speak for the entire Democratic Party.
He could become the house majority leade, over nancy, what does that tell you.
So? It doesn't make his voice the voice of all Democrats. His particular view on some things could certainly differ from the party's.
Democrates are all the same they just behind the God given right of freedom of speech. |
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agentkgb
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| Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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soldierofsoul wrote: Democrates are all the same
I'm sure a lot of Democrats would disagree with that statement... |
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Kane
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agentkgb wrote: soldierofsoul wrote: Democrates are all the same
I'm sure a lot of Democrats would disagree with that statement...
Especially if most of the newly elected democrats are moderate as many on this board have suggested... :-| |
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pyrophasma
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Judging by stuff he said in the article:
"If we're going to challenge
Iran and challenge
North Korea and then, as some people have asked, to send more troops to
Iraq, we can't do that without a draft,"
"I don't see how anyone can support the war and not support the draft. I think to do so is hypocritical,"
I don't think he actually wants a draft, he just wants to back Repubs into a corner. |
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cool_chick
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Kilo Tango wrote: I thought it was the anti-war party?
You were mislead. That never, ever was true. That was another lying talking point on the part of Republicans. |
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Random Evil Guy
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 7:47 am Post subject: |
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| heh, americans are a funny bunch. they absolutely adore the troops, but freak out as soon as the term 'draft' is mentioned. are you all just a bunch of cowards or what? |
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cool_chick
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Random Evil Guy wrote: heh, americans are a funny bunch. they absolutely adore the troops, but freak out as soon as the term 'draft' is mentioned. are you all just a bunch of cowards or what?
Good point....they want the troops to blow up half the world...but then freak out if they may be required to do it...as you say... |
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Trajan
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soldierofsoul wrote: agentkgb wrote: JLB wrote: You guys are bringing it back. 8:)
One congressman doesn't speak for the entire Democratic Party.
He could become the house majority leade, over nancy, what does that tell you.
It tells me you need a course in congressional leaders. Speaker of the House is #1. Majority Leader is #2 |
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Trajan
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 9:09 am Post subject: |
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cool_chick wrote: Random Evil Guy wrote: heh, americans are a funny bunch. they absolutely adore the troops, but freak out as soon as the term 'draft' is mentioned. are you all just a bunch of cowards or what?
Good point....they want the troops to blow up half the world...but then freak out if they may be required to do it...as you say...
When there are units facing their second, and in at least one case, third deployment, something is amiss. |
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gavnook
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Random Evil Guy wrote: heh, americans are a funny bunch. they absolutely adore the troops, but freak out as soon as the term 'draft' is mentioned. are you all just a bunch of cowards or what?
Oh, I don't know. Overall, Americans seem far more tolerant of enslaving young men to be sent far away to kill people who pose no threat to Americans (in America) than they would be of enslaving the same young men to do something mundane, like picking cotton. |
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ubikk
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:37 am Post subject: Re: Dems: Bring Back the Draft! |
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Kilo Tango wrote: I remember a lot of Dems dismissing Rangel as not being serious about his draft legislation before, but guess what, he is.
That's right, cut and run, tax raises, terrorist rights, and ethics dilemmas are not enough.
Two weeks after the election and the dems are calling for a draft! :lol:
Well, you can't accuse them of being weak on defense, can you? |
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Kilo Tango
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:09 am Post subject: |
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cool_chick wrote: Kilo Tango wrote: I thought it was the anti-war party?
You were mislead. That never, ever was true. That was another lying talking point on the part of Republicans. No, it's true, most "anti-war" voters vote democrat. |
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Kilo Tango
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pyrophasma wrote: Judging by stuff he said in the article:
"If we're going to challenge
Iran and challenge
North Korea and then, as some people have asked, to send more troops to
Iraq, we can't do that without a draft,"
"I don't see how anyone can support the war and not support the draft. I think to do so is hypocritical,"
I don't think he actually wants a draft, he just wants to back Repubs into a corner. OK, so he's not serious?
How is it helpful to introduce sham legislation then?
If you read his comments, he is serious whatever the motivation. If he thinks that having a draft will make this country less willing do go to war, then so what...he still wants the draft. Ironically, to keep us out of war.
It's moronic for sure, but hey, that's Rangel. |
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Kilo Tango
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:14 am Post subject: Re: Dems: Bring Back the Draft! |
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ubikk wrote: Kilo Tango wrote: I remember a lot of Dems dismissing Rangel as not being serious about his draft legislation before, but guess what, he is.
That's right, cut and run, tax raises, terrorist rights, and ethics dilemmas are not enough.
Two weeks after the election and the dems are calling for a draft! :lol:
Well, you can't accuse them of being weak on defense, can you? Instituting a draft would weaken the military. |
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