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[cool_chick]

Countryguy, think about it. If this guy is this big terrorist like ya'll are saying, why would they tell him to leave then blow up his house? Why wouldn't they either come and arrest him or kill him and take him out of the terrorist loop?

[JRM4833]

cool_chick wrote: JRM4833 wrote: Are you seriously saying that anti-Israel isn't the new popular stance among PCFers? It sprung up here almost overnight while I've been away and now everytime I come back P&G is flooded with these threads.

Yes, that's what I'm saying.

Then you're lying to yourself. Seriously, don't make me waste my time using the search function to prove you wrong. Maybe you just don't read those who are on your "side." Maybe you spend too much time reading posts of those who disagree with you and don't see that the new generation of "Libertarians" that forced many of the good ones out are hard line anti-Israel.

cool_chick wrote: Quote: People can be anti-whatever they want ... but at least call it what it is. It's not anti-Semetic; It's anti-Israel. They believe that Israel, as a country, is evil and that they don't deserve to exist. Ease up ... if I wanted to say something like that I would.

No they don't. You're making stuff up, trying to be all dramatic. Quit being silly. You're better than this.

You're kidding yourself. You personally believe that Israel should not exist as the country it is today so I really don't understand why you'd try to play it this way.

cool_chick wrote: Well actually, if you actually believe what you write here, then I feel so sorry for you.

I'm sorry to see what you have become. You use this same absurd line over and over and it's become meaningless coming from you. I used to actually be able to discuss issues with you but now it's just the same stuff over and over again.

cool_chick wrote: Are you anti-Palestinian or something?

No. I actually look at both sides. I just think Palestinians are more "wrong" than anyone else here.

cool_chick wrote: Quote: Feel free to answer the question though ... is acting as a human shield (many of them armed with machine guns) to protect militant terrorists something that can be compared to the work of Ghandi?

First of all, I don't see it as "acting as a human shield." I see it as protecting yet another house from being bombed like is done on a daily basis for like EVER without any sort of proof it's warranted. They can say anythign, you lap it up like the gullible one that you are. What proof do you have that this is a terrorist?

Proof? Wow you really have fallen so far since I first arrived here. Anyways, you avoided the question quite well. If you decide that you're willing to answer it at any point, rather than dance around it, please let me know as I'd still like to hear it.

cool_chick wrote: I answered yours, you answer my question now. Are you anti-palestinian?

Answered.

[JRM4833]

cool_chick wrote: I want proof of all these supposed "rockets" being fired into Israel...and "on a daily basis." I think it's a lie.

While they might not be "daily," they are close to it. At this point attacks by both sides are close to daily though. That's what happens in war.

Quote: Four Qassam rockets land in south Tuesday morning. One rocket hits factory; worker sustains critical wounds, another worker lightly injured. Fire breaks out in area, workers evacuated. Another rocket hits house; building suffers damage.

Quote: The military wings of Hamas and Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for Tuesday's attack and vowed not to stop firing rockets into Israel.

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Quote: A military wing of the ruling Palestinian Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) warned on Tuesday it will continue launching home-made rockets against Israel.

Abu Obaida, a spokesman for Izz el-Deen al-Qassam Brigades, told a news conference that his militias will double their attacks against Israel, especially at Sderot city which is adjacent to northeast Gaza Strip.

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And this is after over 4,000 rockets hit Israel this summer which led Israel to say enough is enough.

[Mr. Sunshine]

Chymical wrote: how many died from rockets then? 6? 7? OMG...8?

In return over 400 innocent and massively oppressed palestinians suffer...

proportionate stuff

Disproportionate KIAs on the enemy means they are being decimated and you are being victorious. :lol:

[JRM4833]

californian conservative wrote: cool_chick wrote: How do the Palestinians do that? I don't know. Nothing seems to work. Even peaceful resistance has become "human shields" to you guys. Nothing will work for those people apparently except total extermination and subservient control of their land...just shut up and deal with overcrowding and deal with us bombing and bulldozing your land for new settlements. Guess that's all they can do to make you happy, but I don't think I could handle that if it were my home being bulldozed for a new "settlement"...that would SUCK......

Are you saying that this isn't an example of human shields? Do you honestly believe that Israel wants the total extermination and subserviation of the Palestinians? Israel has backed off of its settlement of Palestinian lands, and this thread has nothing to do with settlements.

Although I do agree that peaceful resistance is the way that needs to happen, if Palestinians use peaceful resistance and Israel stops killing militants while Palestinians use peaceful resistance then diplomacy could happen and who knows what possibilities that could have.

It's a nice idea, but I'm afraid it's merely wishful thinking.

[JRM4833]

Chymical wrote: Your point? Yes you have to defend yourself, but like the USA you brought 99% of it upon yourselves. No sympathy here. you think all those 'militants' just sprang out of some evil primordial soup? Israel like USA creates the enemies it needs. Good luck to you all, Jew Muslim and infidel alike, the less houses IDF demolish, the less militants AND civilians killed on both sides the better. That's why I posted this thread, not to bash Israel, although perhaps it's turned into that, but to celebrate that thing can be done differently.

nw it's Israels turn to do things differently, will they accept killing hundreds of civilians for each person on their hit-list? Or will they think of something smarter, I know what I'm rooting for.

Guess what the ironic thing is Skippy? My muslim friends often think I'm pro-israel! you can't win can you?

So when someone does something wrong, do you always make excuses for them? When a murderer is tried, do you blame his parents, or his doctor, or society? While it's necessary to examine the motives and reasoning of terrorists, it is foolish to assume that since they're doing something so disgusting, there must be some reason for it.

[CountryGuy]

cool_chick wrote: CountryGuy wrote:

To be clear, I don't think Israel's policy on tit for tat attacks, and precision strikes on each and every leader of the militant organizations is the right path, either. I think there are occasions where crossing the border is warranted, but I don't believe its nearly as often as Israel does.

It's not a "tit for tat". It's tit, tit, tit, tit, tit, tit, little tat (palestinian), tit, tit, tit, tit, tit, tit, little tat (palestinian).

Quote: However, its very frustrating to watch the occasions where Israel has shown restraint and was rewarded with additional attacks. Also, its frustrating when the opportunity for Palestine to get what it truly wants -- freedom -- Is right there, but for the sake of militants doesn't get it. A year, if not a few months, of true peace would give the world community the ammunition it needs to continue step by step to the path of freedom for Palestine.

The Israelis barely show restraint. When the fighting starts again, it's always the Israelis who start it. Look up the peace deal between Abbas/Sharon. What started the fighting again (hint, it started with another of the oh so typical "excursion" with the usual resultant effect we're so used to into Palestinins area). It's what they do. This stuff is on page 20 of the news, buried, or not even reported (look at the "excursion" about page2 or so into this thread, bet you never heard of it).

Quote: You brought up a Palestinian Army. A question for you -- Even if one was created, do you really think the militias would disarm, or fall into rank with this army? That's the quandry.

The militias wouldn't have even formed if the Palestinians were allowed to defend themselves against Israeli might in the first place.

Little tat?? Calling the actions of Hamas, Hezbollah, and various other militia / terrorist groups "little" is practically surreal. There is nothing little involved with lobbing rockets into civilian areas -- With nothing but the civilians as the targets. They did so again today -- Per the articles I read, no phone call was made letting them know the rockets were coming.

If you can't look at the actions of the Palestinians with a critical eye and see that their actions are at least as unconscionable as any Israeli actions (I think they're worse, but that's a different discussion), then I don't even see how its possible to have a rational conversation.

Like I said before, I don't agree with everything Israel does -- I think the bulldozing of a few neighborhoods today, including vital civilian infrastructure, was disgraceful. But its hard to feel sorry for Palestine overall when they continue to lob rockets on Israeli civilians, or plan suicide bombings.