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Chymical

Quote: Human shield deters Israel strike

About 50 people clambered on to the roof of the house to protest

The Israelis have called off a planned air attack on a house in Jabaliya refugee camp in Gaza after hundreds of Palestinians formed a human shield.

Mohammedweil Baroud said he was warned by Israeli forces to leave his home. He instead ran to a mosque and summoned neighbours to help defend the house.

Mr Baroud is a commander in the Popular Resistance Committees militant group.

The Israeli army often orders people out of homes ahead of attacks, saying it aims to avoid casualties.

A Hamas commander at the scene said people had gathered to show that the demolition strategy of the Israelis could be defeated.

linkage: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6162494.stm

Anymore or this and there's going to be a lot of casualties one day methinks...but good luck to em 8:)

not so orrible news for once.

mr.snruB · Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 7136 Location: Ontario, Canada

That's great news!

Nathyn · Joined: 25 Sep 2005 Posts: 7711 Location: The Great Satan

Gosh, the BBC is so anti-Israel!

MoscowMatt · Joined: 16 Sep 2005 Posts: 1644 Location: UK / Hungary

mr.snruB wrote: That's great news!

What, that a militant commander wasn't killed because he got civilians to risk their lives to save him!! Yeah fantastic!! :roll: :roll:

Clarino · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 3452 Location: Oop North

Chymical wrote:
linkage: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6162494.stm

Anymore or this and there's going to be a lot of casualties one day methinks...but good luck to em 8:)

I think you're right, and on that day the world will see what Israel is really like. I hope this leads to a new sort of Palestinian resistance, it's much more effective than what they've been doing so far, and is really the only way they are going to force Israel to stop oppressing them.

Hey, worked for Gandhi.

Vexillum · Joined: 12 Nov 2006 Posts: 466

Just a few weeks ago, Palestinians tried peaceful resistance, a bunch got shot for it. The only reason any peaceful resistance has any chance of working to any degree against the chuckie doll is because Israel depends on foreign aid to exist and they're down to one supporter - the USA - and that's not a sure thing if chuckie gets too violent, especially once Bush is out of office.

Clarino · Joined: 29 Oct 2006 Posts: 3452 Location: Oop North

Vexillum wrote: Just a few weeks ago, Palestinians tried peaceful resistance, a bunch got shot for it.

And it didn't even make the news.

Yet Israel claims the media is biased against them. :roll:

Mr.Bill · Joined: 28 Sep 2006 Posts: 6266 Location: NY

Ah what brave murderers these Palestinians are. They hide behind women and children.

Of course when murderers hide behind innocents elsewhere they're cowards, but in the ME they're brave souls.

CountryGuy · Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 1018 Location: Pennsylvania

Mr.Bill wrote: Ah what brave murderers these Palestinians are. They hide behind women and children.

Of course when murderers hide behind innocents elsewhere they're cowards, but in the ME they're brave souls.

That's exactly the problem -- This guy is a militant, not some innocent.

The only thing this will do is keep Israel from making these calls, upping the number of civilian dead.

Chymical · Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 1:42 pm Post subject:

No one died in this article, doubtless some of you are sad at that, but fear not, the MIC will have it's fill of blood regardless, the oppressed will remain oppressed don't worry about it dear hearts!

CountryGuy · Joined: 04 Feb 2006 Posts: 1018 Location: Pennsylvania

Chymical wrote: No one died in this article, doubtless some of you are sad at that, but fear not, the MIC will have it's fill of blood regardless, the oppressed will remain oppressed don't worry about it dear hearts!

Are you advocating that human shields are the way to protect terrorist assets? You seem to be very gung-ho for this idea.

Rankor and Pissing · Joined: 04 Mar 2006 Posts: 9966

Chymical wrote: No one died in this article, doubtless some of you are sad at that, but fear not, the MIC will have it's fill of blood regardless, the oppressed will remain oppressed don't worry about it dear hearts!

Thank goodness! Now, if the Palestinians could only stop themselves from blowing up unexpectedly on buses and in crowded areas... Israel may not feel the need to continue to kill murdering militants!

DMS · Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 829 Location: Up state NY

Mr.Bill wrote: Ah what brave murderers these Palestinians are. They hide behind women and children.

Of course when murderers hide behind innocents elsewhere they're cowards, but in the ME they're brave souls.

As the hawks on the other side hide behind their military. It is a sad situation and the losers are those on both sides that wish to live in peace. The winners on both sides is the leadership, both sides desire war and the radicals on both sides will do whatever is in their power to ensure that a lasting peace is never accomplished. As long as radicals can find fools they can manipulate though fear and hatred their probably will never be peace in the middle east and as with most conflicts civillians will be the majority of the casulties on both sides.

I have had the pleasure of speaking to both Israelis and Palestinians. Such intelligent decent people on both sides. It is a shame that their is so much hatred between the people. God have mercy on both sides, they will certainly need it.

The Russian · Joined: 27 Oct 2006 Posts: 384 Location: Buffalo, NY

I believe the true intentions are hidden beneath lies... like the fact that the homes of the militants were warned a full day ahead of the airstrike to clear, and instead of clearing they reigned in human shields in an anti-israeli rallie. And israel didnt hit the homes for those reasons.

Palestinians would not have done the same. And nor do they believe in a two-state solution, they are the only absolutist power in the region, where its destruction of israel or nothing, I hope they get nothing. And this is not generalised either, considering how many voted for Hamas.

I'm for whole-sale deportation into Iran / Jordan / or Syria.

agentkgb · Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 2241 Location: US

Clarino wrote: Chymical wrote:
linkage: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6162494.stm

Anymore or this and there's going to be a lot of casualties one day methinks...but good luck to em 8:)

I think you're right, and on that day the world will see what Israel is really like. I hope this leads to a new sort of Palestinian resistance, it's much more effective than what they've been doing so far, and is really the only way they are going to force Israel to stop oppressing them.

Hey, worked for Gandhi.
It's not like militant attacks will stop but agreed.

Nixon · Joined: 01 Dec 2005 Posts: 2628 Location: Purgatory

Thousands of years of history has shown the Jews as being the most persecuted sect of society.
It takes no guts for you people to villify them.

To think for a moment that Israel WANTS war is moronic, in the same way the left accuses the conservatives of "wanting" war.

Only a sycopath desires war. So either Israel and the entire GOP are sycopaths, or perhaps(just perhaps) the liberals are incapable of understanding that the average free citizen(no matter the country) wants peace. It's just a matter of what actions to take to obtain it. The left believes you can obtain it by becoming human shields, the right believes that sometimes force is the last alternative to obtain peace. Could one of us be wrong? sure. But in the end, both the left and the right are acting in the name of gaining peace.

agentkgb · Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 2241 Location: US

Nixon wrote: To think for a moment that Israel WANTS war is moronic,
Who said Israel did?

Chymical · Posted: Sun Nov 19, 2006 2:14 pm Post subject:

Nixon wrote: Thousands of years of history has shown the Jews as being the most persecuted sect of society.
It takes no guts for you people to villify them.

Who is villifying here? Please Explain or withdraw your accusation.

ON another note many thanks to DMS who stated with cracking clarity what reasonable people who are not invegleded in one perspective on the conflict really feel, could not have stated it better:

once again: Quote: As the hawks on the other side hide behind their military. It is a sad situation and the losers are those on both sides that wish to live in peace. The winners on both sides is the leadership, both sides desire war and the radicals on both sides will do whatever is in their power to ensure that a lasting peace is never accomplished. As long as radicals can find fools they can manipulate though fear and hatred their probably will never be peace in the middle east and as with most conflicts civillians will be the majority of the casulties on both sides.

I have had the pleasure of speaking to both Israelis and Palestinians. Such intelligent decent people on both sides. It is a shame that their is so much hatred between the people. God have mercy on both sides, they will certainly need it.

DMS · Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 829 Location: Up state NY

Nixon wrote:
To think for a moment that Israel WANTS war is moronic, in the same way the left accuses the conservatives of "wanting" war.

No people as a whole wishes war upon themselves as you said. Unfortunately the leadership does. It is profitable and good for keeping one in power. Unfortunately governments in past and present from all over the political spectrum have been guilty of this. It is not a black and white issue of right vs left.

Yes Hamas was voted in but so was the Likuud, both are war parties with no true desire for peace.

Yoadm · Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 505 Location: Israel

Theres a "tiny" difference between Likud and Hamas:

- Likud wants peace, but is not willing to give up land in order to attain it.

- Hamas wants an unending war until the obliteration of Israel.

One is a party that, though desiring peace, does not want to give any consessions, while the other was created for the sole purpose of war.
Get it?

Back to the original article: This was no "peacefull" protest against occupation. This was an attempted arrest by the IDF of a militant responsible for countless attacks against Israeli communities. The militant surrounded himself by civilians, and as a result, the IDF withdrew... yeah.... hurray! terror works!