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[XiangYu]

slitedeviance wrote: I do find it strange that the argument is always "These guys are not assimilating, and they clearly have no desire to adhere to my nations beliefs and practices" without any element of self criticism going on. Sure, there are ethnic immigrants who do not want to assimilate or conform to the host societies ideals, but assuming that this is the only situation in which this applies is failing to recognise that there are citizens of the state who also do not want to assimilate or conform. In the UK I'd probably fit into the latter category: I do not place importance on wealth, i do not believe in the ultimate saving grace of capitalism, I do not believe that there is an effective form of democracy, I do not enjoy living here alot of the time however much I may like my home. Why am I not being targeted?

IMO, as long as these communities are filled with law abiding, tax paying citizens then where is the issue? If a culture is so weak that it can be threatened by small communtiies exhibiting different standards then perhaps the culture is not fit to survive.
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[foadi]

ieatfood wrote: foadi wrote: ieatfood wrote: Finland and sweden are small enough to be considered large cities. France is a city-state. THe US is an empire. Conditions that are attainable for a city are not necessarily attainable for a city-state and certainly not an empire.
What in the hell? France is as big as Texas and has three times the population. Sweden and Finland are also big. Do you even know where France is, man?

populationwise, sweden is about the size of new york city
finland, a lot smaller than new york city--maybe like one of the boroughs of new york

populationwise, france would be comparable to a state, albeit a very large state in the US, hence making it a city-STATE

the US is an empire, composed of multiple city-states. Did i not make myself clear?
you clearly have no clue what a city-state is.

ieatfood wrote: foadi wrote:
Stop using NYC as an example of diversity. NYC might seem diverse to you Americans, but cities like Toronto and Dubai are lightyears ahead of it. Further, NYC is not the restaurant capital of the world. Las Vegas has more restaurants per capita by a factor of two, whereas NYC is only slightly ahead of cities like San Francisco and London.

ieatfood wrote: Las Vegas does not have the diversity of restaurants that new york does. This is a thread about diversity after all.
dude, what? nyc is not by any means the most diverse city in the world -- it isn't even the most diverse city in your country. if your basing your claim entirely off of nyc's diversity, then a number of cities in the world have it beat. toronto is one of them.

ieatfood wrote: As for lack of new york diversity, i'd invite you to visit some time and see just how diverse it is.
i go to nyc on business a few times a year. its one of my favorite cities in your country.

ieatfood wrote: Despite your hatred of all things diverse, new york seems to be doing very well, thank you.
did you even read this thread? i am pro-diversity, pro-ethnic communities, pro-secession, and pro-micronations.

[foadi]

Babylon_Horuv wrote: foadi wrote: Babylon_Horuv wrote: foadi wrote: TwinkieDP wrote: foadi wrote: i fully support these communities and hope they break off into their own little micronations. Toronto needs to be broken up into 1,000+ city-state. How would u do that??
Mr. Lee's Greater Hong Kong will show the path.

From Snow Crash?
yes

I thought Snow Crash painted a very pleasant society when I was about 14. I now realize it would be a pretty Hellish place to live.
oh -- guess i never grew up.

[DarkEyes]

I lived in new york city for two years and I liked it. Sure there were some scary characters, but there was also a thin sense of togetherness that almost everyone seemed to actually take seriously. I think that's why I felt safer walking around NYC than I do walking around San Francisco, where there's this uneasy vibe of "no one gives a s**t; if someone tries to get your attention, run".

Things are good enough, I guess. But there must be something horribly wrong with this country when there are huge areas around the inner cities where not even the police will go. The atrocities I hear and read about happening in these places, for no reason, make me want to puke and smash my fist through a wall at the same time. f**k the Iraqis, we should have concentrated on this first.

I'm so concerned about this because a) I'm a little crazy, but b) the maniacally abominable mindset of the things infesting those areas has spread like a cancer to not just an underground group of rebels, but mainstream america!

This is not the yammering of a conspiracy theorist! Don't you think things have gotten worse since ten years ago, with mind bogglingly stupid acts of violence, seemingly done on a whim? A friend of a friend was shot and paralyzed by some **** because he dared go the speed limit in front of him. And don't you dare give someone who's honking incessantly at you a well-deserved middle finger, or you'll be trying to lose him on some highway four towns over.

I hate the people who not only do these things, are content with this behavior, but celebrate it bare-facedly! With the sound-equivalent of raw sewage blasting from their shi**y banged-up cars so loud that it sets off car alarms!

So appalled I get at this s**t happening every day, that I want a Hitler-like president to motivate all the other scared, law-abiding citizens of this soft-ass country together. Anyone who is willing to threaten your life for anything other than you threatening theirs or their loved ones should be slaughtered like swine and used to make fertilizer, glue, and to feed hungry children.

There's no boundaries on behavior anymore. Why do you think the prisons are so full? This culture has disembraced principals for cowardice. [/i]

[cap'n queasy]

The road to serfdom is under our feet.

Dark eyes, what you say is true, but youe solution is worse IMHO.

[Kumar]

ieatfood wrote:
actually, due to globalization, all cultures will eventually become american.
so no worry.
That's assuming a lot. Some cultures are fiercely more protective of their values than others and are unlikely to be dominated by a foreign culture. People value what is theirs.

[emerald]

Quote: That's assuming a lot. Some cultures are fiercely more protective of their values than others and are unlikely to be dominated by a foreign culture. People value what is theirs.

and thats the huge issue?

u value your culture whats wrong with everyone else valuing theirs?

[Kumar]

emerald wrote: Quote: That's assuming a lot. Some cultures are fiercely more protective of their values than others and are unlikely to be dominated by a foreign culture. People value what is theirs.

and thats the huge issue?

u value your culture whats wrong with everyone else valuing theirs?
If they value it so highly, they are free to remain where they are. No one forces them to pack up and move to a country that has a culture they view with contempt.

When in Rome...

[emerald]

Quote: If they value it so highly, they are free to remain where they are. No one forces them to pack up and move to a country that has a culture they view with contempt.

When in Rome...

i'm sure u're aware that a lot of those immigrants if they had an actual future or decent life in their own countries they wouldnt be trekking it to other places to live.

and like someone has said previously, even within one particular culture you will always find many who simply do not want to live within their cultural restraints, as long as u're within the law i dont see why we all need to live the same way.

[Kumar]

emerald wrote: Quote: If they value it so highly, they are free to remain where they are. No one forces them to pack up and move to a country that has a culture they view with contempt.

When in Rome...

i'm sure u're aware that a lot of those immigrants if they had an actual future or decent life in their own countries they wouldnt be trekking it to other places to live.
That's right, and they should appreciate the fact that there are several countries in the world that are willing to openly accept them and allow them to have opportunities they would never otherwise have. That does not mean they can segregate themselves and look down on those who are different from them.

Quote: and like someone has said previously, even within one particular culture you will always find many who simply do not want to live within their cultural restraints, as long as u're within the law i dont see why we all need to live the same way.
There's a crucial difference. Immigrants consciously decide to move to a particular area and therefore must accept the general norms of that society. That's one issue. Another is the problem of immigrant groups enclosing themselves in exclusive groups and harboring negative feelings for other ethnic groups.

[XiangYu]

Kumar wrote:
Quote: and like someone has said previously, even within one particular culture you will always find many who simply do not want to live within their cultural restraints, as long as u're within the law i dont see why we all need to live the same way.
There's a crucial difference. Immigrants consciously decide to move to a particular area and therefore must accept the general norms of that society. That's one issue. Another is the problem of immigrant groups enclosing themselves in exclusive groups and harboring negative feelings for other ethnic groups.
There are situations where such negative feelings toward a particular ethnic group is justified.