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mr.snruB
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agentkgb
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mr.snruB
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callous
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I wouldn't give up a toenail clipping for the government to protect me from s**t.
Conservatives want the government to protect us from everything. I am not a conservative, therefore I am not pro-big government and I am not pro-imperialism. |
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agentkgb
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: Would you give up Essential Liberty for Temporary Secur |
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mr.snruB wrote: agentkgb wrote: mr.snruB wrote: Would you give up Essential Liberty for Temporary Security?
No. I like my essential liberties too much.
Even with the risk of terrorism?
Even with the risk of Klingons and Romulans invading. |
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TomPaine
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| I answered "no", but then again, I'm not a right-wing authoritarian who secretly wants the government to be run by a dictatorship so they can feel safe and protected. |
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callous
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TomPaine wrote: I answered "no", but then again, I'm not a right-wing authoritarian who secretly wants the government to be run by a dictatorship so they can feel safe and protected.
oooff,...that made me a little hot and bothered.
Well done sir. Well done. |
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mr.snruB
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| Man, this is a liberty sausage fest. Where's all the people who support the Patriot Act or the NSA Wire Tapping stuff? |
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thefranzkafkafront
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| He wasunt just talking about national security you know. |
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mr.snruB
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thefranzkafkafront wrote: He wasunt just talking about national security you know.
Who, me? |
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Kumar
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| It depends on the circumstances. |
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mr.snruB
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Kumar wrote: It depends on the circumstances.
What circumstances, and why? |
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thefranzkafkafront
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mr.snruB wrote: thefranzkafkafront wrote: He wasunt just talking about national security you know.
Who, me?
Well the orginal franklin quote, it applies to socail security as much as it dose national security.
When the goverment intervenes to make you 'safe' you only become less free, thats what he was talking about. |
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superskippy
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No to give up essential liberty for a short term security even a long term security is only a surrender to your foes and abandoning the principles of liberty. However I have a question.
Would you temporarily give up some liberties, for permanent security? |
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Ozzone
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| Define "essential" liberties. |
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agentkgb
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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superskippy wrote: No to give up essential liberty for a short term security even a long term security is only a surrender to your foes and abandoning the principles of liberty. However I have a question.
Would you temporarily give up some liberties, for permanent security?
Temporarily give up liberties? How would we guarantee we would get them back? |
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mr.snruB
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Patriarch
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| Posted: Sat Nov 18, 2006 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: Would you give up Essential Liberty for Temporary Secur |
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mr.snruB wrote: Why did you choose what you chose?
Is this post relevent to anything? Have you given up any essential liberties that has affected your life for security?
The only liberties being denied are the ones to Canadian people. The Canadian government has banned satellite TV and the O'Reilly Factor, among other things. Also has made it a crime to use English up in the Quebec area. :evil:
Is your beef with your own government? |
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mr.snruB
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| This is a hypothetical question. I didn't say "I've lost mein liberties! What do I do?!1?!!1" |
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mr.snruB
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Ozzone wrote: Define "essential" liberties.
I would say any that your constitution or bill of rights grants you |
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