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[blockhead]

Mr. Sunshine wrote: blockhead wrote:
CIA disputes Bush's Iran-9/11 connection

Edwin Chen and Greg Miller
Los Angeles Times
July 20, 2004

Quote: The independent commission is widely expected to report that some of the Sept. 11 hijackers had traveled freely between Iran and Afghanistan during 2000 and 2001.

They also travelled freely between Saudi Arabia and the United States.

Quote: McLaughlin had said Sunday that although "about eight" of the Sept. 11 hijackers may have passed through Iran before their mission, the CIA had "no evidence that there is some sort of official connection between Iran and 9/11."

Head of the CIA at the time.

http://www.notinourname.net/war/iran-20jul04.htm

Bush was not on the 9-11 Commission. The 9-11 Commission was an independent bi-partisan selected body of Congress. Are we know blaming Bush for Pelosi's choice to use the Commission Report as a blueprint for redefining direction of the War on Terror? Isn't she redefining that direction against Bush's "course". :rofl:

From the link above:

Quote: President Bush said Monday that his administration was investigating possible links between Iran and the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, a statement that distanced the president from acting CIA Director John McLaughlin, who had downplayed a possible connection a day earlier.

The Commission Report said that some of the Sept. 11 hijackers had traveled freely between Iran and Afghanistan during 2000 and 2001, as I said, they travelled freely in the United States as well.

Are you suggesting that the United States had something to do with 9/11?

[Mr. Sunshine]

Mr. Sunshine wrote: Quote: The Iran-al Qaeda contacts were discovered and presented to the Commissioners near the end of the bipartisan panel's more than year-long investigation into the sources and origins of the 9/11 attacks. Much of the new information about Iran came from al-Qaeda detainees interrogated by the U.S. government, including captured Yemeni al-Qaeda operative Waleed Mohammed bin Attash, who organized the October 2000 attack on the USS Cole, and from as many as 100 separate electronic intelligence intercepts culled by analysts at the NSA. The findings were sent to the White House for review only this week. But Commission members have been hinting for weeks that their report would have some Iran surprises. As the 9/11 Commission's chairman, Thomas Kean, said in June, "We believe....that there were a lot more active contacts, frankly, with Iran and with Pakistan than there were with Iraq."

www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,664967,00.html

Anyone want to enter a proxy vote for the Chairman of the 9/11 Commission? 8:)

I am contending that Iran was more guilty than Iraq for 9-11. Are you contending that the U.S. is guilty for 9-11? Did you forget the topic of this poll already? :lol:

[blockhead]

Mr. Sunshine wrote: Quote: The Iran-al Qaeda contacts were discovered and presented to the Commissioners near the end of the bipartisan panel's more than year-long investigation into the sources and origins of the 9/11 attacks. Much of the new information about Iran came from al-Qaeda detainees interrogated by the U.S. government, including captured Yemeni al-Qaeda operative Waleed Mohammed bin Attash, who organized the October 2000 attack on the USS Cole, and from as many as 100 separate electronic intelligence intercepts culled by analysts at the NSA. The findings were sent to the White House for review only this week. But Commission members have been hinting for weeks that their report would have some Iran surprises. As the 9/11 Commission's chairman, Thomas Kean, said in June, "We believe....that there were a lot more active contacts, frankly, with Iran and with Pakistan than there were with Iraq."

www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,664967,00.html

Anyone want to enter a proxy vote for the Chairman of the 9/11 Commission? 8:)

Does the report list those contacts? Or does this Republican just "believe" there were alot more contacts.

[blockhead]

Please list the contacts, names, dates, and locations. Until you do that, this belongs in Alt Theories.

[Mr. Sunshine]

blockhead wrote: Please list the contacts, names, dates, and locations. Until you do that, this belongs in Alt Theories.

Kean is a Chairman of the Commission that agrees with the poll question in this thread. That report is the gold standard for Pelosi's new direction in the War on Terror.

Until you can divulge your psychic alien sources disproving the gold standard, please confine yourself to an alternative reality where you are most comfortable in, apparently. :rofl:

[The Russian]

Saudi Arabia is by far the most second-hand responcible arab country for propegating wahabi-ism and exporting it to their neighbors... the most extremist form of Islam... most of the highjackers were recruited from Saudi Arabia, and their leaders were too... the difference being that the leaders came from prominent families that were not poor... and no-where else are the extremists from a wealthy background in the arab world, they are almost always the poor minorities. Except for Saudi Arabia... so theres your second-hand connection.

And just fyi, putting 8:) 8:) 8:) 8:) 8:) 8:) 8:) 8:) 8:) 8:) 8:) 8:) 8:) at the end of every one of your responces, makes you look silly and doesnt add validity to any retort. :shock: ... not to mention it mimmics JLB..

[blockhead]

Mr. Sunshine wrote: blockhead wrote: Please list the contacts, names, dates, and locations. Until you do that, this belongs in Alt Theories.

Kean is a Chairman of the Commission that agrees with the poll question in this thread. That report is the gold standard for Pelosi's new direction in the War on Terror.

Until you can divulge your psychic alien sources disproving the gold standard, please confine yourself to an alternative reality where you are most comfortable in, apparently. :rofl:

He "believes", like you do. I like how you bring the non-sequitor, Pelosi, into your argument.

This is truly a pathetic thread.

[Mr. Sunshine]

blockhead wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: Quote: The Iran-al Qaeda contacts were discovered and presented to the Commissioners near the end of the bipartisan panel's more than year-long investigation into the sources and origins of the 9/11 attacks. Much of the new information about Iran came from al-Qaeda detainees interrogated by the U.S. government, including captured Yemeni al-Qaeda operative Waleed Mohammed bin Attash, who organized the October 2000 attack on the USS Cole, and from as many as 100 separate electronic intelligence intercepts culled by analysts at the NSA. The findings were sent to the White House for review only this week. But Commission members have been hinting for weeks that their report would have some Iran surprises. As the 9/11 Commission's chairman, Thomas Kean, said in June, "We believe....that there were a lot more active contacts, frankly, with Iran and with Pakistan than there were with Iraq."

www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,664967,00.html

Anyone want to enter a proxy vote for the Chairman of the 9/11 Commission? 8:)

Does the report list those contacts? Or does this Republican just "believe" there were alot more contacts.

Are you saying that time.com owned by Ted Turner is falsifying news to foster Republican talking points. :roll:

Clearly, Kean is helping Republicans by stating that Iraq is less responsible than Iran for 9/11. Brilliant strategy. Rove at work again. Must be. :rofl:

[blockhead]

blockhead wrote: Please list the contacts, names, dates, and locations. Until you do that, this belongs in Alt Theories.

Still waiting for the list.

[cool_chick]

Actually, I read a really good article in the Readers' Digest about a year ago that outlined a fair amount of direct involvement in 9/11.

Iraq was dumb, no matter how anyone tries to slice it.

However, the "solution" in the OP is impossible at this time, so why even entertain it?

[blockhead]

Mr. Sunshine wrote: blockhead wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: Quote: The Iran-al Qaeda contacts were discovered and presented to the Commissioners near the end of the bipartisan panel's more than year-long investigation into the sources and origins of the 9/11 attacks. Much of the new information about Iran came from al-Qaeda detainees interrogated by the U.S. government, including captured Yemeni al-Qaeda operative Waleed Mohammed bin Attash, who organized the October 2000 attack on the USS Cole, and from as many as 100 separate electronic intelligence intercepts culled by analysts at the NSA. The findings were sent to the White House for review only this week. But Commission members have been hinting for weeks that their report would have some Iran surprises. As the 9/11 Commission's chairman, Thomas Kean, said in June, "We believe....that there were a lot more active contacts, frankly, with Iran and with Pakistan than there were with Iraq."

www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,664967,00.html

Anyone want to enter a proxy vote for the Chairman of the 9/11 Commission? 8:)

Does the report list those contacts? Or does this Republican just "believe" there were alot more contacts.

Are you saying that time.com owned by Ted Turner is falsifying news to foster Republican talking points. :roll:

Clearly, Kean is helping Republicans by stating that Iraq is less responsible than Iran for 9/11. Brilliant strategy. Rove at work again. Must be. :rofl:

Are you saying that Time.com is owned by Ted Turner?

[Mr. Sunshine]

blockhead wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: blockhead wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: Quote: The Iran-al Qaeda contacts were discovered and presented to the Commissioners near the end of the bipartisan panel's more than year-long investigation into the sources and origins of the 9/11 attacks. Much of the new information about Iran came from al-Qaeda detainees interrogated by the U.S. government, including captured Yemeni al-Qaeda operative Waleed Mohammed bin Attash, who organized the October 2000 attack on the USS Cole, and from as many as 100 separate electronic intelligence intercepts culled by analysts at the NSA. The findings were sent to the White House for review only this week. But Commission members have been hinting for weeks that their report would have some Iran surprises. As the 9/11 Commission's chairman, Thomas Kean, said in June, "We believe....that there were a lot more active contacts, frankly, with Iran and with Pakistan than there were with Iraq."

www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,664967,00.html

Anyone want to enter a proxy vote for the Chairman of the 9/11 Commission? 8:)

Does the report list those contacts? Or does this Republican just "believe" there were alot more contacts.

Are you saying that time.com owned by Ted Turner is falsifying news to foster Republican talking points. :roll:

Clearly, Kean is helping Republicans by stating that Iraq is less responsible than Iran for 9/11. Brilliant strategy. Rove at work again. Must be. :rofl:

Are you saying that Time.com is owned by Ted Turner?

All your bases belong to Ted.

Stop being a cheapskate and go buy a copy of that report and get your own book. It is publicly available at any bookstore. Pelosi said she would use the findings of the report to guide her way. Don't kill the messenger. 8:)

^
Shades are to block the blinding reflections that come off the liberal tin foil hat brigade obviously needed when sunshine is thrown in their direction. :rofl:

[agentkgb]

Mr. Sunshine wrote: Stop being a cheapskate and go buy a copy of that report and get your own book. It is publicly available at any bookstore.
Not all of it.

Mr. Sunshine wrote: ^
Shades are to block the blinding reflections that come off the liberal tin foil hat brigade obviously needed when sunshine is thrown in their direction. :rofl:
Okay...

[Timmytour]

Mr. Sunshine wrote: Quote: Ramzi bin al-Shibh received a four-week visa to Iran and then flew to Tehran—an apparent stop-off point on his way to meet with Al Qaeda chiefs in Afghanistan, according to law-enforcement documents obtained by NEWSWEEK.

German government documents showing the previously undisclosed trip by bin al-Shibh, a captured Al Qaeda operative who played a crucial coordinating role in the 9/11 plot, is the latest evidence that the World Trade Center conspirators frequently used Iran as a safe transit point in their travels to and from Afghanistan.

The final report of the 9-11 Commission, which is due out tomorrow, contains significant new information about a possible “Iran connection” to the plot, including a U.S. intelligence analysis indicating that Iranian border inspectors were instructed not to stamp the passports of Al Qaeda members entering and exiting their country. Although the information has been known to the U.S. intelligence community for some time, President Bush told reporters this week that the U.S. government was “digging into the facts to determine if there was” a possible Iranian connection to the September 11 attacks.

The president’s comments were touched off by news reports, by NEWSWEEK and other news organizations, that the 9/11 panel will reveal this week that as many as 10 of the so-called “muscle hijackers” traveled through Iran between the fall of 2000 and February 2001.

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5479438/site/newsweek/

I think Iran was more responsible for 09-11 than Saddam. We must take the fight to the enemy that attacked us secondary to the 9-11 Commission Report and other information.

Please explain your position. 8:)

There's no answer to the question.

I'll make use of the explanation from this website which seems equally applicable

http://www.math.toronto.edu/mathnet/questionCorner/nineoverzero.html

Quote: the question "what is 0 divided by 0" is a little different from questions like "what is 9 divided by 0". Instead of there being no number which will work, now every number will work (every number, when multiplied by 0, gives 0). But there's still no answer to the question "what is 0 divided by 0", because this question is really asking "what is the one special and unique number which, when multiplied by 0, gives 0?" There isn't any such single, unique number, and hence there is no answer to the question.

[[Bible]Monkey]

Mr. Sunshine wrote: agentkgb wrote: callous wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: blockhead wrote: Shouldn't this be in Alternative Theories?

It is a political issue directly reflective of findings of the 9-11 Commission Report sanctioned by our government. 8:)

No, actually he is right, this should be in alternate theories, since the president himself contradicts you.

It doesn't matter how many emoticons with sunglasses you use, sometimes you just can't make something true that isn't.
8:) 8:) Saddam did it. 8:) 8:)

Seriously, asking if Iran was more responsible for it than Iraq doesn't make sense. It belongs in Alt-Theories.

The official stance of the U.S. government implicates Iran more than Iraq. Iraq was the third main reason for recent political outcomes in the last U.S. elections. What are you guys afraid of? The truth will set you free. 8:)

I don't believe anything that this American Government says about Iran. Not a word. Facts put forward to justify an "Official Stance" by this government make said facts less likely to be true, not more likely to be true.

This government is engaged in a multimillion dollar disinformation campaign regarding Iran, because of the existance of that disinformation campaign, even truisms , valid intelligence and facts -which are true-are obscured by the created fictions. Some in power in Iran may in some sense actually be 'evil" but that fact is now being lost to justified disbelief since the facts are mixed with too many lies.

I'm willing to entertain the possibility that some of what they say about Iran is correct, but not because they say it. The first and the largest disinformation campaign of the Central Intelligence Agency successfully artificially demonized Iran. What worked in 1953 will probably work again in 2007.

your link wrote: ...The German documents show that, just weeks after the 9/11 attacks, German investigators first sought information from the Iranian Embassy in Berlin about bin al-Shibh's travels to their country. The Iranians appear to have cooperated, turning over a copy of....

...U.S. and German authorities have never been able to corroborate Zakeri's claims about the involvement of top Iranian officials, and some officials have questioned his credibility....

Quote: President Bush told reporters this week that the U.S. government was “digging into the facts to determine if there was” a possible Iranian connection to the September 11 attacks. I just bet they are rootin' deep into that big pile-a-facts. "We're after Iran this week boys..go get me some facts..."

[Mr. Sunshine]

agentkgb wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: Stop being a cheapskate and go buy a copy of that report and get your own book. It is publicly available at any bookstore.
Not all of it.

Mr. Sunshine wrote: ^
Shades are to block the blinding reflections that come off the liberal tin foil hat brigade obviously needed when sunshine is thrown in their direction. :rofl:
Okay...

The stuff on Iran is in there. The stuff that isn't published is merely conjecture at this point. Arguing points on conjecture is ludicrous. Liberals redefine reality on what is palatable; hence, the need for tin foil hats and self delusion. conservatives reshape reality into what is acceptable; hence pre-emptive action. 8:)

[agentkgb]

Mr. Sunshine wrote: agentkgb wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: Stop being a cheapskate and go buy a copy of that report and get your own book. It is publicly available at any bookstore.
Not all of it.

Mr. Sunshine wrote: ^
Shades are to block the blinding reflections that come off the liberal tin foil hat brigade obviously needed when sunshine is thrown in their direction. :rofl:
Okay...

The stuff on Iran is in there. The stuff that isn't published is merely conjecture at this point. Arguing points on conjecture is ludicrous. Liberals redefine reality on what is palatable; hence, the need for tin foil hats and self delusion. conservatives reshape reality into what is acceptable; hence pre-emptive action. 8:)
Conservatives are the reason it can be no more than conjecture.

[Mr. Sunshine]

agentkgb wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: agentkgb wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: Stop being a cheapskate and go buy a copy of that report and get your own book. It is publicly available at any bookstore.
Not all of it.

Mr. Sunshine wrote: ^
Shades are to block the blinding reflections that come off the liberal tin foil hat brigade obviously needed when sunshine is thrown in their direction. :rofl:
Okay...

The stuff on Iran is in there. The stuff that isn't published is merely conjecture at this point. Arguing points on conjecture is ludicrous. Liberals redefine reality on what is palatable; hence, the need for tin foil hats and self delusion. conservatives reshape reality into what is acceptable; hence pre-emptive action. 8:)
Conservatives are the reason it can be no more than conjecture.

Bipartisan Commission providing the blueprint for Pelosi less Murtha's redirection on the War on Terror. Perhaps it is time to write your Congressman. 8:)

www.9-11commission.gov/about/bios.htm

[agentkgb]

Mr. Sunshine wrote: agentkgb wrote: Conservatives are the reason it can be no more than conjecture.

Bipartisan Commission providing the blueprint for Pelosi less Murtha's redirection on the War on Terror. Perhaps it is time to write your Congressman. 8:)

www.9-11commission.gov/about/bios.htm
Who blanked out the pages (making them only conjecture)?

[Mr. Sunshine]

agentkgb wrote: Mr. Sunshine wrote: agentkgb wrote: Conservatives are the reason it can be no more than conjecture.

Bipartisan Commission providing the blueprint for Pelosi less Murtha's redirection on the War on Terror. Perhaps it is time to write your Congressman. 8:)

www.9-11commission.gov/about/bios.htm
Who blanked out the pages (making them only conjecture)?

Let's see the video. :roll: