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sLiPpY · Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 10094

Black Sheep 5 wrote: sLiPpY wrote: Black Sheep 5 wrote: sLiPpY wrote: Black Sheep 5 wrote: perdidochas wrote: homerjay_s wrote: I would like to point out that the overwhelming majority of those that label themselves conservative are are required by their religious denomination to give away 10% of everything they make to the church(read charity).

The church knows how to levy a tax. Even across the board for everyone, and rather than spending a huge percentage of that revenue on accounting and threatening people that don't cough it up, they threaten eternal damnation and the sheeple give until it hurts.

Don't know about other churches, but Catholics are asked (not that we actually do) to give 5% to the Church, and 5% to other charities. Really, I am Catholic and only give to the collection plate as it goes around. Never heard a priest say give 10% or your going to hell. I have however heard them say you should give 10% if possible.

You obviously haven't attended a Southern Baptist service. :lol: 1st Baptist yes (the women are easier) Southern Baptist no.

Baptist Summer Camp at the beach, was always the best place to go to get laid. :lol:

Thank you Grammy and Grumps! I wruved going! Baptist summer camp in the mountains for me, your absolutely right. Catholic chicks just want to make out, Baptist chicks love the ****.

:bana: :bana: :bana: :bana: :bana:

homerjay_s · Joined: 07 Oct 2005 Posts: 5605 Location: unknown

sLiPpY wrote: Black Sheep 5 wrote: perdidochas wrote: homerjay_s wrote: I would like to point out that the overwhelming majority of those that label themselves conservative are are required by their religious denomination to give away 10% of everything they make to the church(read charity).

The church knows how to levy a tax. Even across the board for everyone, and rather than spending a huge percentage of that revenue on accounting and threatening people that don't cough it up, they threaten eternal damnation and the sheeple give until it hurts.

Don't know about other churches, but Catholics are asked (not that we actually do) to give 5% to the Church, and 5% to other charities. Really, I am Catholic and only give to the collection plate as it goes around. Never heard a priest say give 10% or your going to hell. I have however heard them say you should give 10% if possible.

You obviously haven't attended a Southern Baptist service. :lol:

I was raised Catholic and practiced the faith until I was about 22. The parallel was drawn more than once or twice.

I would say when the authority on getting in to heaven and avoiding eternal damnation tells you to do something, and you do believe they are that authority, you would tend to do what they say, even if it's merely given as a suggestion.

agentkgb · Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 2241 Location: US

sLiPpY wrote: I would also guess that the majority of homeless people, don't subscribe to a political affiliation.
My point being that if they voted, a lot of them would probably vote Democrat. Also, lower-class voters are more likely to vote Democrat.
Source: CNN Exit Polls from 2006

Moracca · Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 2821 Location: ar-Raba, KOM

One of the most "sacred" ideals of charity is not to mention or tell others what you have given in order to make yourself look better in the eyes of others.

While liberals will wail and scream into the wind for every dollar they hand out, conservatives are more likely to keep a tight lip about it. If all conservatives actually reported their monetary donations to the government I believe that studies would show even more of a gap in the amount given between liberals and conservatives.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

Black Sheep 5 wrote: perdidochas wrote: homerjay_s wrote: I would like to point out that the overwhelming majority of those that label themselves conservative are are required by their religious denomination to give away 10% of everything they make to the church(read charity).

The church knows how to levy a tax. Even across the board for everyone, and rather than spending a huge percentage of that revenue on accounting and threatening people that don't cough it up, they threaten eternal damnation and the sheeple give until it hurts.

Don't know about other churches, but Catholics are asked (not that we actually do) to give 5% to the Church, and 5% to other charities. Really, I am Catholic and only give to the collection plate as it goes around. Never heard a priest say give 10% or your going to hell. I have however heard them say you should give 10% if possible.

Well, I've heard 10% if possible--5% to the Church, 5% to other charities. Again, asked, not required.

Revenant · Joined: 16 Apr 2006 Posts: 17927 Location: Bliss

Wait, conservatives tend to be wealthier? Shocking assessment. I must readjust my monocle now.

perdidochas · Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 15424 Location: Florida

agentkgb wrote: sLiPpY wrote: agentkgb wrote: sLiPpY wrote: agentkgb wrote: Rich people are more likely to be conservatives as a rule, therefore it's not surprising that they can give more away. It doesn't say anything about the validity of their ideas or much of anything else.

Did you not notice the National Review article that pointed out the fallacy of that type of thinking?
How many homeless people vote Republican?

If you don't have a mailing address. You can't vote. :wink:
Clever.
How many homeless people are conservatives? There's obviously no way to tell for certain as I doubt a study of such an issue has been conducted, but my guess is that very few are.

My guess is that few are liberals either.

sLiPpY · Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 10094

agentkgb wrote: sLiPpY wrote: I would also guess that the majority of homeless people, don't subscribe to a political affiliation.
My point being that if they voted, a lot of them would probably vote Democrat. Also, lower-class voters are more likely to vote Democrat.
Source: CNN Exit Polls from 2006

Your line of thinking seems sound...

For the lower-class that involuntarily moved from the lower classes to homelessness, well yes I'd agree.

I'm thinking more in terms of the folks that prefer that lifestyle. i.e. migrate from the NE, to the mid-west or south in the winter. Follow the train tracks, etc.

A lot of them would camp out in the woods during the winter in Gainsville FL. It was quasi dangerous, in that there are criminal elements to that crowd. But I visited one of their camps one time, and their very last concern was for politics and/or re-joining society.

sLiPpY · Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 10094

Revenant wrote: Wait, conservatives tend to be wealthier? Shocking assessment. I must readjust my monocle now.

:lol: oh, yes...and I forgot to mention that uber Liberal American!

Bruce Wayne.

Black Sheep 5 · Joined: 08 Oct 2005 Posts: 1776 Location: Phoenix

sLiPpY wrote: Revenant wrote: Wait, conservatives tend to be wealthier? Shocking assessment. I must readjust my monocle now.

:lol: oh, yes...and I forgot to mention that uber Liberal American!

Bruce Wayne. That doesnt count, because Batman was a conservative. He was tough on crime and hated minorities. :-D

agentkgb · Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 2241 Location: US

sLiPpY wrote: agentkgb wrote: sLiPpY wrote: I would also guess that the majority of homeless people, don't subscribe to a political affiliation.
My point being that if they voted, a lot of them would probably vote Democrat. Also, lower-class voters are more likely to vote Democrat.
Source: CNN Exit Polls from 2006

Your line of thinking seems sound...

For the lower-class that involuntarily moved from the lower classes to homelessness, well yes I'd agree.

I'm thinking more in terms of the folks that prefer that lifestyle. i.e. migrate from the NE, to the mid-west or south in the winter. Follow the train tracks, etc.

A lot of them would camp out in the woods during the winter in Gainsville FL. It was quasi dangerous, in that there are criminal elements to that crowd. But I visited one of their camps one time, and their very last concern was for politics and/or re-joining society.
I was just saying that conservatives tend to be wealthier, so it's not surprising that they can give more to charity than liberals.
EDITED TO ADD: Sorry I didn't follow you. I was referring to people who are homeless but don't want to be.

sLiPpY · Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 10094

Black Sheep 5 wrote: sLiPpY wrote: Revenant wrote: Wait, conservatives tend to be wealthier? Shocking assessment. I must readjust my monocle now.

:lol: oh, yes...and I forgot to mention that uber Liberal American!

Bruce Wayne. That doesnt count, because Batman was a conservative. He was tough on crime and hated minorities. :-D

oh, so what are you saying here? Bruce Wayne was bi-polar?

mr.snruB · Joined: 21 Oct 2006 Posts: 7136 Location: Ontario, Canada

A lot of liberals are dirt poor hippies

sLiPpY · Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 10094

agentkgb wrote: sLiPpY wrote: agentkgb wrote: sLiPpY wrote: I would also guess that the majority of homeless people, don't subscribe to a political affiliation.
My point being that if they voted, a lot of them would probably vote Democrat. Also, lower-class voters are more likely to vote Democrat.
Source: CNN Exit Polls from 2006

Your line of thinking seems sound...

For the lower-class that involuntarily moved from the lower classes to homelessness, well yes I'd agree.

I'm thinking more in terms of the folks that prefer that lifestyle. i.e. migrate from the NE, to the mid-west or south in the winter. Follow the train tracks, etc.

A lot of them would camp out in the woods during the winter in Gainsville FL. It was quasi dangerous, in that there are criminal elements to that crowd. But I visited one of their camps one time, and their very last concern was for politics and/or re-joining society.
I was just saying that conservatives tend to be wealthier, so it's not surprising that they can give more to charity than liberals.
EDITED TO ADD: Sorry I didn't follow you. I was referring to people who are homeless but don't want to be.

I'd disagree with "Conservatives" being wealthier, however agree with the "edit."

The Conservative outlook on life, has it's roots in farming...pragmatism, etc. It's essentially a middle and rural American experience.

The concept has blossomed and been embraced, and distorted through a huge propaganda amplifier over the years.

That list that JLB posted of the wealthiest 100 Americans. Well most of them are registered Democrats and of that, a high percentage are uber "liberal"

But Liberalism is inherently a "minority" experience, and Conservatism is a bit higher in percentage...IMHO about 64 percent of Americans are actually moderate.

Around 14 percent Liberal, and 22 percent baser Conservative.

I don't have any factual proof. In that what I'm looking for at the moment doesn't appear to be readily available.

But since the 1980's a lot of people going into the Business world, adopted the Reagan iconic image of "mass consumption gone Hollywood" at it's finest.

I say that in that Reagan vs. Carter? Carter = Blue Jeans, a sweater, and a fireside chat.

Reagan = New Limo, Designer suits, grand ballrooms, and a big massive party for an inauguration.

Did you know that Jimmy Carter had one hell of a lot more money than Ronald Reagan? And Jimmy was just some peanut farmer from a redneck clan in Georgia.

What I see, is those who call themselves "Conservative" raping the ideology and the legacy of Russell Kirk, etc.

What I see are unscrupulous types, raping publicly traded corporations...treating "stock-holders" equity as being their own.

I call them thieves. People who walk into an existing publicly traded institution and take it for "their own."

Sam Walton of WalMart was a registered Democrat. I would guess that he was a "Moderate" Democrat. Thing is the man created something.

Bill Gates, created something. Gates is a liberal. I don't know if he's a Democrat, but it's obvious the man is a Liberal.

Back in the day, "Philanthropy" err...end of "Conservative" Coors Light rant. :lol:

sLiPpY · Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 10094

mr.snruB wrote: A lot of liberals are dirt poor hippies

A lot of liberals want to be a "dirt poor hippie"

*raises hand*

agentkgb · Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 2241 Location: US

sLiPpY wrote: I'd disagree with "Conservatives" being wealthier, however agree with the "edit."

The Conservative outlook on life, has it's roots in farming...pragmatism, etc. It's essentially a middle and rural American experience.
I'm not sure exactly what you're saying, but if it was that conservative is no longer synonomous with "Republican," and that real conservatives are actually usually less wealthy than Democrats, then that's a different matter. The OP seemed to be about left-wing/right-wing, regardless of whether they were truly conservative.

Time Lord · Joined: 14 Nov 2006 Posts: 67 Location: Baltimore, MD

Quote: raised in a liberal household

I was raised in a conservative household, and turned out to be a liberal. Makes it tough at Thanksgiving Dinner.

I think generalizations like "conservatives donate more" and such are just that. There are many variables besides being liberal or conservative. I'd donate more money to charities if I had more to give.

To me it's the thought behind the gift, not the amount given.

sLiPpY · Joined: 24 Nov 2004 Posts: 10094

agentkgb wrote: sLiPpY wrote: I'd disagree with "Conservatives" being wealthier, however agree with the "edit."

The Conservative outlook on life, has it's roots in farming...pragmatism, etc. It's essentially a middle and rural American experience.
I'm not sure exactly what you're saying, but if it was that conservative is no longer synonomous with "Republican," and that real conservatives are actually usually less wealthy than Democrats, then that's a different matter. The OP seemed to be about left-wing/right-wing, regardless of whether they were truly conservative.

:think: I'd agree, that the OP is of today's "either or fare"...

I wouldn't say that Democrats or Republicans on average are "more or less" wealthy.

What I will say, is that it is demonstrable...that the DNC has a larger base of "super wealthy" donors.

We're talking about a handful of Americans, with Billions.

I think you make an important point, and I believe that being a Republican doesn't equal being a Conservative.

There are Conservative, Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, Greens, and Independants. Although out of the lot, I will say a Conservative Green is the most rare of animal. :lol:

On an ideological scale, I think that the vast majority of Americans are Moderate and probably control the vast majority of non-uber billions wealth.

Fiduciary · Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:44 pm Post subject:

perdidochas wrote: homerjay_s wrote: Black Sheep 5 wrote: homerjay_s wrote: JLB wrote: homerjay_s wrote: I would like to point out that the overwhelming majority of those that label themselves conservative are are required by their religious denomination to give away 10% of everything they make to the church(read charity).

The church knows how to levy a tax. Even across the board for everyone, and rather than spending a huge percentage of that revenue on accounting and threatening people that don't cough it up, they threaten eternal damnation and the sheeple give until it hurts.

I'm not a Christian, but I seem to remember that tithing is voluntary, while excessive taxation is not.

Getting into heaven is "voluntary", too. If you don't want to burn in hell, you'll pay their tithe.

Anything it voluntary if you're willing to accept the consequences of your own actions. This hyperbolic BS. There are very few mainstream Christians who believe you can buy your way into heaven. Keep in mind that most Christians do not consider Tammy Faye Baker a Christian. Very few people consider preachers who drive Mercedes and wear Rolexes to be devout in their faith.

10% across the board...who said anything about buying your way into heaven? We're talking about voluntarily tithing to avoid the pains of hell.

Well, as a Catholic, I have never once heard that if you don't tithe that one goes to hell

That guy is PURELY talking out of his ass on his entire premise.

Why respond to such blatant ignorance?

agentkgb · Joined: 23 Aug 2006 Posts: 2241 Location: US

sLiPpY wrote: What I will say, is that it is demonstrable...that the DNC has a larger base of "super wealthy" donors.

We're talking about a handful of Americans, with Billions.
If you look at campaign donations though it's fairly apparent that Republicans usually have more funding, and the way people voted was not independent of their income, richer people were more likely to vote for Bush in 2004 and vice-versa. The DNC might have more "super-wealthy" donors, I don't know, but the median income of a Republican is probably greater than that of a Democrat.